C Adam Fantilli - (2023, 3rd, CBJ) Part 2

Vinegar Strokes

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Strength of schedule means nothing in D1 hockey when anyone can beat anyone, this isn't college football.

Why don't you go take a look at the 14-15 BU roster and try to convince me that its even in the same atmosphere as Michigan's team this year. Michigan had 7 first rounders - BU had 7 players drafted in total on that team with the highest being a late 2nd rounder. You literally can't even compare the two.
Fantilli's teammates might project to be better NHL players but Eichel clearly played with the better college players, who were much older than Fantilli's teammates. This is obvious when you look at the point gap between Fantilli and his teammates vs. Eichel and his.
 

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I mean that he's been the same size and had a full beard since he was 15 years old at KUA. He's been getting by on physical superiority for a while now. I don't know how people think this kid is going to all of a sudden hit another level when he's been at a pretty similar level the past 3 years.

He is the kid who will undoubtedly put up crazy good numbers at the combine and people will run here and say HES A BEAST. But meanwhile he just has the body of a 30 year old and his peers have the bodys of...18 year olds....


Eichel's BU season was significantly more impressive than Fantilli's. Go look at BU's roster that year, Eichel single handedly carried them to the national championship game. He was simply a better and more intriguing prospect than Fantilli. With all that being said Eichel has been somewhat underwhelming topping out as a PPG player thus far. Not sure how people are deadlocked on this kid being a top 10 player in the league.


Whats your rationale that he will get bigger? He hasn't grown an inch or gained a pound since he was 15. Theres been so many players like this. He will be a fine NHLer but to think he is going to come in and be a perennial 40 goal scorer is blasphemy.
Players get stronger and pack on more muscle from 18-21. Even if he doesn't grow an inch the idea that he's done "growing" is preposterous. And right now the biggest knocks are he tries too often to play the hero and doesn't utilize his teammates enough, his shooting when he gets in tight could use work, and his decision making with the puck could use work. These are coachable deficiencies. Then you have the room for growth on the inevitable and necessary adaptation to NHL pace and size, he has room to improve his shot, passing, skating. Like just because some guys who are physically superior in their draft year stop developing doesn't mean all of them do. You're writing off a lot of room for growth under a pretty superficial rationale from a guy who decides to write up undetermined upside as "blasphemy"
 

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Players get stronger and pack on more muscle from 18-21. Even if he doesn't grow an inch the idea that he's done "growing" is preposterous. And right now the biggest knocks are he tries too often to play the hero and doesn't utilize his teammates enough, his shooting when he gets in tight could use work, and his decision making with the puck could use work. These are coachable deficiencies. Then you have the room for growth on the inevitable and necessary adaptation to NHL pace and size, he has room to improve his shot, passing, skating. Like just because some guys who are physically superior in their draft year stop developing doesn't mean all of them do. You're writing off a lot of room for growth under a pretty superficial rationale from a guy who decides to write up undetermined upside as "blasphemy"
Fantilli also isn’t all that “built” if you ask me. Obviously he’s a big guy already, but from the photos I have seen he can still easily put 15+ pounds of lean muscle on his frame without sacrificing a fraction of his skating prowess.
 

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Fantilli's teammates might project to be better NHL players but Eichel clearly played with the better college players, who were much older than Fantilli's teammates. This is obvious when you look at the point gap between Fantilli and his teammates vs. Eichel and his.

Plus Fantilli’s line-mates aren’t 2 or 3 in Michigan scoring (sameskovich) was for the first part of the season.

Plus Fantilli had less games played Becuase of his adenovirus putting him in the hospital and the gap is still way bigger.
 

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Three shifts in at the WHC but it’s obvious he’s the fastest player on the ice by quite a bit.
I liked the sequence where he carried the puck in on his own from a neutral zone reception and dropped it off for a point shot. Nothing crazy but he displayed that speed and good hands at that speed. Also opted to rely on his teammates instead of trying to make his mark with hero puck.
 
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Strength of schedule means nothing yet it is taken into account with rankings. It’s a measure if the quality of teams you’re facing throughout the season in comparison. And Michigans was substantially tougher than Eichel faced in his time.

But I’m glad you think he won’t develop as player anymore. What you see today is the max output as a player

His rookie year will be his career year, and everything after will either be the same or worse.
Its used as a source of measurement to seed the NCAA tournament and thats it, its a small part of the equation. Not the end all be all. Its really only in place so the top dog in the Atlantic isn't ranked ahead of a 3-4 team in any other conference. SOS is irrelevant

Fantilli's teammates might project to be better NHL players but Eichel clearly played with the better college players, who were much older than Fantilli's teammates. This is obvious when you look at the point gap between Fantilli and his teammates vs. Eichel and his.
Lol this is quite the reach. Would you rather play with Evan Rodrigues and Danny ORegan or Sameskovich/McGroarty/Brindley

Also doesn't hurt getting fed from Luke Hughes on the PP.

Players get stronger and pack on more muscle from 18-21. Even if he doesn't grow an inch the idea that he's done "growing" is preposterous. And right now the biggest knocks are he tries too often to play the hero and doesn't utilize his teammates enough, his shooting when he gets in tight could use work, and his decision making with the puck could use work. These are coachable deficiencies. Then you have the room for growth on the inevitable and necessary adaptation to NHL pace and size, he has room to improve his shot, passing, skating. Like just because some guys who are physically superior in their draft year stop developing doesn't mean all of them do. You're writing off a lot of room for growth under a pretty superficial rationale from a guy who decides to write up undetermined upside as "blasphemy"
I would be willing to bet 5 years from now he is the same height and within 5 pounds of his current measurement. He is already physically developed, thats my point.

Sure things can get fine tuned, but if you think he will turn into a 6'4 230 beast once he hits the NHL, it aint happening.
 

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Its used as a source of measurement to seed the NCAA tournament and thats it, its a small part of the equation. Not the end all be all. Its really only in place so the top dog in the Atlantic isn't ranked ahead of a 3-4 team in any other conference. SOS is irrelevant

So its irrelevant while being used????? brilliant logic.
You can't play all 62 div 1 teams so you use a ranking scale in said games so of course it is used to show your value as a team and in the teams you beat.

welcome to college athletics.
 
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He got his feet under him for the second period. In the first the line wasn't finding each other in the very limited time they got.

Playing PP2 right side half wall playmaker position this game. Familiar spot for him I assume?

One wide open cross ice pass opportunity with his offensive positioning, just like one of his highlight clips has. His teammate didn't spot him sadly.

Set up teammates for 2 good chances. Backchecked hard, played responsibly even on the pp, covering up for defense once or twice. Made a great defensive play 5on5. Attempted a flashy pass receive in the last seconds of 2nd period PP, but mishandled the pass receive between his legs as the defense managed to bump him.
 

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I thought he played a strong game. Smart decisions with the puck, didn't get himself in trouble trying to be the hero, constant pressure on forecheck and back check, he could do with linemates he has better chemistry with but for his first game against professional adults, that was an impressive showing. And man is he fast.
 
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decent game

Missed communication on one scoring chance when he went for a change. But the announcers said it was more Myers fault than anybody else
 
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I would be willing to bet 5 years from now he is the same height and within 5 pounds of his current measurement. He is already physically developed, thats my point.
he could very well be within 5 pounds of his current weight but it'll be a recomp. The kid is going to get a long stronger. Will it be the same degree of stronger compared to NHLers at the same degree as he's stronger than a lot of the NCAA players he was up against this season? Probably not. But to think that he won't gain a lot of muscle is a bad bet.
 

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21 year old senior Evan Rodriques easily. I think you’re mistaking projected NHL upside with how good they are at this moment.
Hot take considering Rodrigues went from 14 points as a junior without Eichel, to 61 points as a senior with Eichel.

Im sure that had nothing to do with it though
 

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So its irrelevant while being used????? brilliant logic.
You can't play all 62 div 1 teams so you use a ranking scale in said games so of course it is used to show your value as a team and in the teams you beat.

welcome to college athletics.
Other than separating the Atlantic league from the rest of D1, yes it is irrelevent.

I see you decided to skip the 34 in 38 he put up as a sophomore.
Regardless, his output doubled playing with Eichel.
 

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Other than separating the Atlantic league from the rest of D1, yes it is irrelevent.


Regardless, his output doubled playing with Eichel.

Eichel was an amazing player, that was never in question.

Eichel played with the better, more experienced, more polished college hockey players and had an easier schedule.

Fantilli played with a young and talented team with a tougher schedule and out scored his next closest teammate by almost 20 pts. His season is at least equally as impressive as Eichel’s.
 

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Eichel was an amazing player, that was never in question.

Eichel played with the better, more experienced, more polished college hockey players and had an easier schedule.

Fantilli played with a young and talented team with a tougher schedule and out scored his next closest teammate by almost 20 pts. His season is at least equally as impressive as Eichel’s.
I simply disagree with you. Anyone who watched that BU run knew Eichel was the only threat on that team. The team was actually fairly bad, they were one of the worst teams in the Hockey East one year prior with pretty much the exact same team.
 

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