Speculation: Building the Las Vegas squad using CapFriendly's tool

[uncleben]

Yep

Yea no way do we leave Cogliano or Silfverberg exposed. If we don't trade Fowler or Vatanen we could offer Las Vegas something not to take Manson.

waive your wand and make bieksa disappear, sure, but i do not see how you are protecting silfverberg AND cogliano

Perry, Getzlaf, Kesler, Rakell, Lindholm, Vatanen, Fowler, Gibson and then Silfverberg

unless you expose fowler or rakell for cogliano.
or force kesler out the same way as bieksa...


(Just to note, protecting Gibson will also require ANA to re-sign one of Bernier, Hackett, or Tokarski, or make a trade. That will certainly be taken care of before the draft, but another thing to keep an eye on.)

 

[Stuzchuk]

waive your wand and make bieksa disappear, sure, but i do not see how you are protecting silfverberg AND cogliano

Perry, Getzlaf, Kesler, Rakell, Lindholm, Vatanen, Fowler, Gibson and then Silfverberg

unless you expose fowler or rakell for cogliano.
or force kesler out the same way as bieksa...


(Just to note, protecting Gibson will also require ANA to re-sign one of Bernier, Hackett, or Tokarski, or make a trade. That will certainly be taken care of before the draft, but another thing to keep an eye on.)

still having uncertainty on Buyouts Vs Drafts dates... no one will be able to tell what will required from each team and we wont know until at least late December // Ealy January

 

[DJN21]

Mccabe will be protected

 

[uncleben]

still having uncertainty on Buyouts Vs Drafts dates... no one will be able to tell what will required from each team and we wont know until at least late December // Ealy January

thank you.

that's what i have been reiterating, but some people just don't want to hear it.

 

[HookKing]

Jacob Silfverberg / Martin Hanzal / Justin Williams
Dmitrij Jaskin / Colin Wilson / Lee Stempniak
Matt Beleskey / Andreas Anthansiou / Jason Zucker
Dwight King / Peter Holland / Derek Dorsett
Michael Ferland

Jack Johnson / Brenden Dillon
Alexei Emelin / Trevor Van Riemsdyk
Kevin Klein / Thomas Hickey
Ian Cole / Stephen Johns


Ben Bishop
Michael Neuvirth


Nicolas Desauliers
PA Parenteau

Extra guys


This is the team I was able to manage to create after the players that were reserved.

You must not watch the Kings much if you think Vegas would actually take Dwight King.

 

[Ducks in a row]

waive your wand and make bieksa disappear, sure, but i do not see how you are protecting silfverberg AND cogliano

Perry, Getzlaf, Kesler, Rakell, Lindholm, Vatanen, Fowler, Gibson and then Silfverberg

unless you expose fowler or rakell for cogliano.
or force kesler out the same way as bieksa...


(Just to note, protecting Gibson will also require ANA to re-sign one of Bernier, Hackett, or Tokarski, or make a trade. That will certainly be taken care of before the draft, but another thing to keep an eye on.)

Team can protect 7 forward 3 defenseman and 1 goalie or 8 skaters and a goalie

Buy out Bieksa if he doesn't waive.

Go 7 forward 3 defenseman 1 goalie route for protection

Getzlaf
Perry
Kesler
Rakell
Silfverberg
Cogliano
Traded for top 6 forward

Lindholm
Fowler
Manson

Gibson

Vatanen traded for a top 6 forward.

Or

Getzlaf
Perry
Kesler
Rakell
Silfverberg
Cogliano
Vermette

Lindholm
Fowler
Vatanen

Gibson

then pay Las Vegas something not to take Manson

That is examples of things we can do.

 

[HookKing]

Team can protect 7 forward 3 defenseman and 1 goalie or 8 skaters and a goalie

Buy out Bieksa if he doesn't waive.

Go 7 forward 3 defenseman 1 goalie route for protection

Getzlaf
Perry
Kesler
Rakell
Silfverberg
Cogliano
Traded for top 6 forward

Lindholm
Fowler
Manson

Gibson

Vatanen traded for a top 6 forward.

Or

Getzlaf
Perry
Kesler
Rakell
Silfverberg
Cogliano
Vermette

Lindholm
Fowler
Vatanen

Gibson

then pay Las Vegas something not to take Manson

That is examples of things we can do.

Good luck with that, virtually every team board out there thinks they will just trade away their #4 defenseman. That only works if he's better than the trading partner's number 3.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

You must not watch the Kings much if you think Vegas would actually take Dwight King.

at least they had the sense to put him on the 4th line where he would belong

 

[uncleben]

Team can protect 7 forward 3 defenseman and 1 goalie or 8 skaters and a goalie

Buy out Bieksa if he doesn't waive.

Go 7 forward 3 defenseman 1 goalie route for protection

Getzlaf
Perry
Kesler
Rakell
Silfverberg
Cogliano
Traded for top 6 forward

Lindholm
Fowler
Manson

Gibson

Vatanen traded for a top 6 forward.

Or

Getzlaf
Perry
Kesler
Rakell
Silfverberg
Cogliano
Vermette

Lindholm
Fowler
Vatanen

Gibson

then pay Las Vegas something not to take Manson

That is examples of things we can do.

i had a major brain fart with that.
forgot 7-3-1 when i posted

 

[Halla]

leafs likely protect JVR,Kadri,Bozak,Komarov,Leipsic,Brown and then one of Rychel/Leivo/Martin. Komarov will not be available.

 

[dkollidas]

You dont think they'll resign Kulikov?

The way they're playing. He might be a deadline acquisition for a 1st rounder. Tell him he can come back as a UFA if he wants. It to gone joy playoffs elsewhere. Maybe NYR?

 

[dracom]

Good luck with that, virtually every team board out there thinks they will just trade away their #4 defenseman. That only works if he's better than the trading partner's number 3.

Teams also aren't trying to trade a RHD PP QB defenseman (one of the most sought after pieces in the league) entering his prime years signed to a long term contract. If we have to trade Vats, we'll be able to get a top 6 forward in return no problem.

 

[Halla]

Team can protect 7 forward 3 defenseman and 1 goalie or 8 skaters and a goalie

Buy out Bieksa if he doesn't waive.

Go 7 forward 3 defenseman 1 goalie route for protection

Getzlaf
Perry
Kesler
Rakell
Silfverberg
Cogliano
Traded for top 6 forward

Lindholm
Fowler
Manson

Gibson

Vatanen traded for a top 6 forward.

Or

Getzlaf
Perry
Kesler
Rakell
Silfverberg
Cogliano
Vermette

Lindholm
Fowler
Vatanen

Gibson

then pay Las Vegas something not to take Manson

That is examples of things we can do.

and what top 6 forward are they gonna get for vatanen? you have already stated that duclair is not nearly enough. my bet is they bite the bullet and just lose manson. Las vegas is gonna want a significant return for not selecting manson, and having to dive into anaheims junk pile. 1st rd pick?

 

[Ducks in a row]

and what top 6 forward are they gonna get for vatanen? you have already stated that duclair is not nearly enough. my bet is they bite the bullet and just lose manson. Las vegas is gonna want a significant return for not selecting manson, and having to dive into anaheims junk pile. 1st rd pick?

I don't know but I am sure teams would offer something nicer then Duclair.

I don't know what it will cost to get them not to take Manson but I don't think it will be a 1st round pick.

 

[Halla]

Sounds good, but how does that happen? Using Holland as an example, how is a player like Holland who isn't any kind of factor on the Leaf's team going to help them much?

I doubt if LV are going to be persuaded to select a lesser player without some kind of decent return/sweetener coming back to them. I doubt if a B prospect or a 3rd - 7th rounder will suffice. Those kind of players usually don't even make the NHL, and LV will want to ice a competitive team to put butts in the seats. I'd guess that it will take something substantial. So we might not prefer the alternative all that much either.

The (anticipated) Lou will work his magic mantra will sound a little hollow here I'd think.

what? Lou doesnt have to do anything other than submit a list

Kadri,JVR,Bozak,Komarov,Brown, Leipsic, Rychel
Rielly,Gardiner,Carrick
Andersen

Available: Holland, Leivo, Martin, Marincin, Corrado

 

[Halla]

Heard? While Phaneuf is overpaid by about 1.5 mil relatively to his cap hit IMO, there are many worse contracts out there.



1) Ottawa DO NOT want to lose Phaneuf, they traded FOR him not even 1 year ago. They were pretty much AWARE of his cap hit and thanks to his cap hit, they were able to get him for ONLY a 2nd and an average prospect.

2) Ottawa knew the contract was a bit front-loaded and that is he was owed 33.0 for the last 5 years of his contract, which is an average of 6.6 per season.

3) Ottawa is NOT a cap team and has NOT been in over a decade, which means that the cap hit doesn't matter much. Hell, they are looking to make the playoffs this year and with CMac on LTIR, they have the second lowest cap in the league right now.

4) Ottawa required from Toronto to take 11.7 salary in dead contracts (Cowen, Greening) and unwanted salary (Michalek) to be able to make this trade. It is pretty much like if Toronto retained some of Phaneuf's salary...

5) In conclusion, the real cost to Ottawa, a budget team, is 4.26 per year for Phaneuf, who is still a very solid #3 veteran physical D-man and leader. Pretty sure they want to keep him for now.

its not like that at all. those contracts all expire this year, phaneuf has 4 more years after this

 

[Lunatik]

still having uncertainty on Buyouts Vs Drafts dates... no one will be able to tell what will required from each team and we wont know until at least late December // Ealy January

There isn't much uncertainty about buyouts, it's come out that there will be a buyout period prior to protected lists having to be submitted.

 

[Halla]

I don't know but I am sure teams would offer something nicer then Duclair.

I don't know what it will cost to get them not to take Manson but I don't think it will be a 1st round pick.

so you think vegas will take a pick in the 50-60 range to take a filler like etem over a solid #4dman in manson?

 

[dracom]

so you think vegas will take a pick in the 50-60 range to take a filler like etem over a solid #4dman in manson?

Or they take Vermette instead, or take a chance on Despres (though with his injury he may not be eligible to be exposed). Or heck, we re-sign Bernier and they take him since he's probably the best goalie next to Fluery/Murray that could be available for Las Vegas.

There are options for us to not lose someone like Vats for something that is not close to his value (Duclair). Vats is worth a proven top 6 forward if we have to trade him; and there are plenty of teams that would love to have a player like Vatanen on their team.

 

[Stuzchuk]

There isn't much uncertainty about buyouts, it's come out that there will be a buyout period prior to protected lists having to be submitted.

There was a debate on sportsnet radio and one of the host was saying that theres a chance that the first buyout period will only start after the expansion draft

 

[airbus220]

There was a debate on sportsnet radio and one of the host was saying that theres a chance that the first buyout period will only start after the expansion draft

That would be great for Vegas.

 

[Doug Gilmour]

The goaltenders and defense are NHL but that offense is below average to say the least. Burns reportedly loves it in San Jose so I wish y'all the best of luck prying him away from re-signing.

 

[Halla]

There was a debate on sportsnet radio and one of the host was saying that theres a chance that the first buyout period will only start after the expansion draft

that would be pretty good for vegas. hopefully that happens and then a lot of the NMC players refuse to waive. teams should be stuck protecting the players they gave a NMC to

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Jacob Silfverberg / Martin Hanzal / Justin Williams
Dmitrij Jaskin / Colin Wilson / Lee Stempniak
Matt Beleskey / Andreas Anthansiou / Jason Zucker
Dwight King / Peter Holland / Derek Dorsett
Michael Ferland

Jack Johnson / Brenden Dillon
Alexei Emelin / Trevor Van Riemsdyk
Kevin Klein / Thomas Hickey
Ian Cole / Stephen Johns


Ben Bishop
Michael Neuvirth


Nicolas Desauliers
PA Parenteau

Extra guys


This is the team I was able to manage to create after the players that were reserved.

I'd be totally shocked if Holland leaves Andreas Athanasiou unprotected he's pretty high on him. I think both Mantha and Athanasiou will both be protected. I would assume that Holland would trade one of them before leaving either unprotected.

 

[tsujimoto74]

The way they're playing. He might be a deadline acquisition for a 1st rounder. Tell him he can come back as a UFA if he wants. It to gone joy playoffs elsewhere. Maybe NYR?

Not a chance, unless Kulikov is deadset on leaving Buffalo by that point. We've been desperate for top 4 LHD. He's not getting dealt to pick up some spare assets.