Speculation: Building the Las Vegas squad using CapFriendly's tool

[EpicDing]

Vegas doesnt take any Rangers? Nice.

 

[Basilisk]

So I used CapFriendly's expansion draft quick protect tool and drafted myself a nice little Las Vegas team. Here's what would happen with the 30 players I got. What do you think? And what does your team look like?

SIGNINGS, DRAFT AND TRADES:

Brent Burns & Martin Hanzal signed as free agents in the summer of 2017

Leo Komarov, Shawn Matthias, Markus Granlund, Kevin Klein, Jake McCabe, Alex Petrovic all dealt away after being selected in the expansion draft for various draft picks/prospects.

Draft winger Klim Kostin in 2017 NHL Entry Draft.

LINE-UP:
Alex Killorn - Martin Hanzal - Josh Anderson
Michael Raffl - Andrew Cogliano - Dustin Brown
Darren Helm - Joakim Nordstrom - Klim Kostin
Erik Haula - Jordan Martinook - Devante Smith-Pelly
extra; Riley Nash

Calvin DeHaan - Brent Burns
Dmitry Orlov - Ryan Ellis
Esa Lindell - Trevor Van Riemsdyk
extra; Joel Edmundson

Marc-Andre Fleury - Calvin Pickard

AHL:
F Emile Poirier
F Matt Puempel
D Greg Pateryn
D Dylan DeMelo
G Laurent Brossoit

That will NOT happen! Everything else, though, is possible.

 

[Basilisk]

You have Brown as a second line wing. Why would Vegas do LA a favor like that

If I was the Vegas GM, I'd not only take Brown but Phanuef as well. It's about establishing a culture from a long-term perspective. Leadership, experience, that sort of thing.

 

[edguy]

If I was the Vegas GM, I'd not only take Brown but Phanuef as well. It's about establishing a culture from a long-term perspective. Leadership, experience, that sort of thing.

Phaneuf has a NMC and will be Protected

 

[Basilisk]

Phaneuf has a NMC and will be Protected

Really? I heard he's got the 2nd worst contract in the league.

 

[Flamesjustwin]

NMC that will be bought out or traded for sure:

Buyouts/Trades with Other Teams/NMC waived
Bieksa
Filppula
Beuchemin

Likely trade or deal with Las Vegas on selection
MAF - NMC waived for draft and Vegas provided a 2nd round pick

Won't count - Injury
Clarkson
Clowe

Make these adjustments before you do your protected lists. It makes it more believable. I'm pretty sure MAF will get dealt or PITT will do a deal with Las Vegas to take another player. There is enough quality in the goalie pool.

You are crazy if you think Vegas is taking a 2nd rnd pick in that scenario. You are also crazy if you think MAF is waiving his NMC to be exposed.

 

[Flamesjustwin]

If I was the Vegas GM, I'd not only take Brown but Phanuef as well. It's about establishing a culture from a long-term perspective. Leadership, experience, that sort of thing.

Good thing for Vegas you are not then.

 

[Curufinwe]

If I was the Vegas GM, I'd not only take Brown but Phanuef as well. It's about establishing a culture from a long-term perspective. Leadership, experience, that sort of thing.

Using up 17% of the cap on two players who are already past their prime and are under contract till after the next Presidential election is an objectively terrible idea.

 

[Phrazer]

I really hope this isn't a televised thing where Bill Daly opens envelopes for the 30 players Vegas has poached

 

[Mike Jones]

Really? I heard he's got the 2nd worst contract in the league.

It doesn't matter how bad the contract is - with a no move clause in his contract he has the right to say that he isn't going anywhere. If Ottawa asks him if he'd like to go to Vegas he can say no and there's almost nothing the Sens can do about it. They could buy him out but I'm not sure that's a bridge they'd want to cross.

 

[Mike Jones]

I really hope this isn't a televised thing where Bill Daly opens envelopes for the 30 players Vegas has poached

I think a TV and online event would work if they reveal the trades related to a particular selection. If the Kings trade a 1st round pick to Vegas so that they'll pick Brown (Using an example from another thread on this board) then Daly could announce that trade prior to ripping open the envelope with his teeth.

 

[Lunatik]

If I was the Vegas GM, I'd not only take Brown but Phanuef as well. It's about establishing a culture from a long-term perspective. Leadership, experience, that sort of thing.

This is actually why some Flames fans think Matt Stajan may get picked from Calgary. He has developed into a strong leader, he's fantastic with young players and even better in the community. Picking Stajan would be solid for the youngsters they select and his community involvement will be good for promoting the team, he is also a UFA in 2018 so they would be able to re-sign him to a lesser contract for another year or two after that.

 

[CrypTic]

Vegas doesnt take any Rangers? Nice.

And are taking two Sharks and Coyotes.

At least per the rumored rules, if LV signs a UFA from a team during their early window to sign FAs, that counts as the pick from the team. E.g., if they signed Burns, that would count as their pick from the Sharks. I don't think Burns would do that bc I can't see LV outbidding his expected return from SJ or other teams by enough for him to sign with them. But, if he did, LV should not also get DeMelo. (Plus, as others have said, AZ won't expose Martinook anyway but if they signed Hanzel that would count as AZ's player - assuming he hadn't been traded from AZ.)

 

[Lunatik]

And are taking two Sharks and Coyotes.

At least per the rumored rules, if LV signs a UFA from a team during their early window to sign FAs, that counts as the pick from the team. E.g., if they signed Burns, that would count as their pick from the Sharks. I don't think Burns would do that bc I can't see LV outbidding his expected return from SJ or other teams by enough for him to sign with them. But, if he did, LV should not also get DeMelo. (Plus, as others have said, AZ won't expose Martinook anyway but if they signed Hanzel that would count as AZ's player - assuming he hadn't been traded from AZ.)

Burns and Hanzal were listed as UFA signings, not that it would actually happen

 

[CrypTic]

This is actually why some Flames fans think Matt Stajan may get picked from Calgary. He has developed into a strong leader, he's fantastic with young players and even better in the community. Picking Stajan would be solid for the youngsters they select and his community involvement will be good for promoting the team, he is also a UFA in 2018 so they would be able to re-sign him to a lesser contract for another year or two after that.

And why some Sharks' fans think LV may pick Martin or Ward instead of someone like DeMelo. Both of them are supposed to be very good locker room guys. It's one of the reasons the Sharks signed them. Ward does stuff in the community. Not sure about Martin.

There are many character guys who are leaders that LV can select w/o taking on egregiously bad contracts.

 

[Gsus]

Haula would be a total waste as a fourth line winger FYI tbh. Thanks bye.

 

[CrypTic]

Burns and Hanzal were listed as UFA signings, not that it would actually happen

Yes and per the rumored rules, if LV signs a free agent from, e.g., the Sharks, that's their pick from the Sharks. They have a window before the draft where they can sign free agents. But if they sign any, it counts as the draft pick from the team that player was on this season. Unless you mean that they sign them after the expansion draft during the normal FA period. But that's even less likely to happen than signing them before the draft.

 

[Basilisk]

And why some Sharks' fans think LV may pick Martin or Ward instead of someone like DeMelo. Both of them are supposed to be very good locker room guys. It's one of the reasons the Sharks signed them. Ward does stuff in the community. Not sure about Martin.

There are many character guys who are leaders that LV can select w/o taking on egregiously bad contracts.

Yep. It's the character guys who propelled the 3-year-old Florida Panthers into the 1996 Stanley Cup Final series. LoL, it wasn't their skill that got them there.....

 

[Lunatik]

And why some Sharks' fans think LV may pick Martin or Ward instead of someone like DeMelo. Both of them are supposed to be very good locker room guys. It's one of the reasons the Sharks signed them. Ward does stuff in the community. Not sure about Martin.

There are many character guys who are leaders that LV can select w/o taking on egregiously bad contracts.

Oh for sure, they will take prospects or young NHLers from teams like LA before someone like Brown. Taking say Ward and Stajan would make much more sense than someone of the albatross' of contracts. I'd be shocked if the LV team has anyone making more than 4.5 million in their inaugural season.

Yes and per the rumored rules, if LV signs a free agent from, e.g., the Sharks, that's their pick from the Sharks. They have a window before the draft where they can sign free agents. But if they sign any, it counts as the draft pick from the team that player was on this season. Unless you mean that they sign them after the expansion draft during the normal FA period. But that's even less likely to happen than signing them before the draft.

I am aware of that rule, but I think he means as a UFA on July 1st, at least that was how I interpreted it.

 

[CrypTic]

Oh for sure, they will take prospects or young NHLers from teams like LA before someone like Brown. Taking say Ward and Stajan would make much more sense than someone of the albatross' of contracts. I'd be shocked if the LV team has anyone making more than 4.5 million in their inaugural season.

I am aware of that rule, but I think he means as a UFA on July 1st, at least that was how I interpreted it.

I would too, especially a contract with much term left. They'd be much better off taking many of the older, experienced players who are good in the locker room, have good work ethic, are involved in the community, etc. to show the young guys the ropes but who have shorter contracts with the $$ more in line with their play. I'd be wary of long contracts for older players, esp if I were LV. Take a few of those w decent, relatively short & reasonable contracts, try to re-sign the ones who work out best for LV. They can always pick up one or two in regular FA, too, if they need to. After the frenzy, the prices drop and there are almost always a few good locker room guys who are decent players still left with ppl wondering why no one picked them up.

Gotcha on the UFA. That seemed much less likely to happen to me that I'd assumed OP meant during the special FA period for LV since IMO that would be more likely than them signing him during regular FA (tho both are unlikely IMO).

 

[BlueBaron]

Vegas doesnt take any Rangers? Nice.

And are taking two Sharks and Coyotes.

At least per the rumored rules, if LV signs a UFA from a team during their early window to sign FAs, that counts as the pick from the team. E.g., if they signed Burns, that would count as their pick from the Sharks. I don't think Burns would do that bc I can't see LV outbidding his expected return from SJ or other teams by enough for him to sign with them. But, if he did, LV should not also get DeMelo. (Plus, as others have said, AZ won't expose Martinook anyway but if they signed Hanzel that would count as AZ's player - assuming he hadn't been traded from AZ.)

From what I can tell they did not pick a Leaf player either. Thanks Vegas!

 

[Xspyrit]

Really? I heard he's got the 2nd worst contract in the league.

Heard? While Phaneuf is overpaid by about 1.5 mil relatively to his cap hit IMO, there are many worse contracts out there.

It doesn't matter how bad the contract is - with a no move clause in his contract he has the right to say that he isn't going anywhere. If Ottawa asks him if he'd like to go to Vegas he can say no and there's almost nothing the Sens can do about it. They could buy him out but I'm not sure that's a bridge they'd want to cross.

1) Ottawa DO NOT want to lose Phaneuf, they traded FOR him not even 1 year ago. They were pretty much AWARE of his cap hit and thanks to his cap hit, they were able to get him for ONLY a 2nd and an average prospect.

2) Ottawa knew the contract was a bit front-loaded and that is he was owed 33.0 for the last 5 years of his contract, which is an average of 6.6 per season.

3) Ottawa is NOT a cap team and has NOT been in over a decade, which means that the cap hit doesn't matter much. Hell, they are looking to make the playoffs this year and with CMac on LTIR, they have the second lowest cap in the league right now.

4) Ottawa required from Toronto to take 11.7 salary in dead contracts (Cowen, Greening) and unwanted salary (Michalek) to be able to make this trade. It is pretty much like if Toronto retained some of Phaneuf's salary...

5) In conclusion, the real cost to Ottawa, a budget team, is 4.26 per year for Phaneuf, who is still a very solid #3 veteran physical D-man and leader. Pretty sure they want to keep him for now.

 

[Mike Jones]

1) Ottawa DO NOT want to lose Phaneuf, they traded FOR him not even 1 year ago. They were pretty much AWARE of his cap hit and thanks to his cap hit, they were able to get him for ONLY a 2nd and an average prospect.

2) Ottawa knew the contract was a bit front-loaded and that is he was owed 33.0 for the last 5 years of his contract, which is an average of 6.6 per season.

3) Ottawa is NOT a cap team and has NOT been in over a decade, which means that the cap hit doesn't matter much. Hell, they are looking to make the playoffs this year and with CMac on LTIR, they have the second lowest cap in the league right now.

4) Ottawa required from Toronto to take 11.7 salary in dead contracts (Cowen, Greening) and unwanted salary (Michalek) to be able to make this trade. It is pretty much like if Toronto retained some of Phaneuf's salary...

5) In conclusion, the real cost to Ottawa, a budget team, is 4.26 per year for Phaneuf, who is still a very solid #3 veteran physical D-man and leader. Pretty sure they want to keep him for now.

I didn't say they did want to get rid of him. I was commenting on his NMC and the need for him to waive it in order to enter the expansion draft.

 

[Xspyrit]

I didn't say they did want to get rid of him. I was commenting on his NMC and the need for him to waive it in order to enter the expansion draft.

Okay but I was replying based on the highlighted :

It doesn't matter how bad the contract is - with a no move clause in his contract he has the right to say that he isn't going anywhere. If Ottawa asks him if he'd like to go to Vegas he can say no and there's almost nothing the Sens can do about it. They could buy him out but I'm not sure that's a bridge they'd want to cross.

Maybe I misinterpreted but what did you mean then?

Regardless, my point wad to say that Ottawa would protect Phaneuf even if he didn't have a NMC. They need him. Actually, they also need Methot so let's see what will happen.

 

[SirPaste]

That team looks horrendous