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Keeping up with these discussions is mind numbing because we don't know if we're talking in context of rebuild or retool. I think we need two threads. 
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EspenK
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I don't see a flat salary cap for 5 years. No way players will stand for that. I'd guess two years flat and then smaller than "normal" increases take over.
They can take for example Savard because of Kucherov and Stamkos injury. But they`ll play in the next season. MacDonagh has NTC so they can`t. Even with Johnson would go out they would have problems because I doubt thy would want to trade Point.
NTC's don't cover the expansion draft. The Lightning can pay Seattle to take whoever they want, as long as that player doesn't have an NMC.
Once McDonagh and Johnson are out the door the Lightning will be set.
Every GM hopes you are the main advisor to Jarmo and JD.
Oh yes, we all know that GMs are licking their lips to get Patrik Laine.
There wasn't that much interest in getting him from Winnipeg and all he's done since then is be one of the worst players in the league.
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Keeping up with these discussions is mind numbing because we don't know if we're talking in context of rebuild or retool. I think we need two threads.
We at least need a poll.
I never wrote other GMs want him but that GMs would want other similar trades from Jarmo and JD.
To 23 years Laine:
- It was the specific season for him, see Jones` word similar like Jarmo
- He is very talanted but thank`s this season his value is slow that`s why Bufallo would get more but what if he wants his condition?
- So his trade would be stupidity especially if Bufallo want not only him but probably the 1th round + a prospect or him and Domi. And that`s all for RFA player. Btw this also applies to other teams, we would get a weak replacement for a player for whom this season was only an anomaly.
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The cap will stay flat until the players have paid off the debt they owe the owners to get back to a 50/50 revenue split. What the players paid into escrow last season and this season wasn't close to covering the amount they owe the owners so they're going to be paying off that debt for a while through escrow.
As for the effect this has on the Jackets and their cap space... Teams over the cap are not going to be lining up to trade away their 1st line forwards and top pair dmen to get under the cap. They're going to do things like the Seattle/TB scenario in the above comments and and pay teams to take their overpaid 3rd liners and 2nd pair dmen. If Jarmo really thinks he's going to get top end talent by exploiting other teams' cap issues he's either delusional or spewing out BS to give the fans false hope.
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Really pounding home your narrative.
Philadelphia tried hard to get him. Iirc Winnipeg wanted provorov and Philly countered with Sanheim+. Carolina had interest. Chicago, Jersey, and Montreal as well rumored. And obviously us as well.
But yeah, small interest. Maybe we should trade Max Domi too.
Be honest it was according his play in Jets but his value after this season is enough slow. The whole problem it was enough strange season and he`ll be more better. IMHO minimum like Jets but we would trade still soemeone/something with him and not little.
This is pretty much what I meant by "not much interest". I'd put Reinhart and Miller as better returns than that.
I don't know why you have this reaction against trading Laine but for Elvis and some other guys it's just sayonara. Can you at least admit that after how badly Laine played that moving him for a solid top six C is at least a respectable position to consider? I don't get why it's supposed to be some bizarre position.
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Travis Sanheim (at the time) was their second best defenseman. I didn’t watch much Philly this year but he was pretty damn good. Wasn’t a bad offer by any means.
I don’t care about trading anyone on the team. Even Laine if the offer is right. But you’re literally trying to dump him, and have been for a while, for some meh pieces at best. And you’ve even admitted before you see Domi as nothing more than a cap dump. Now you’re calling Laine one of the worst players in the league. Which I mean is fair enough it’s your opinion, but I’m not for it.
Ive said countless times I don’t want to trade Elvis. However if we get a good top 6 center for him why wouldn’t you? Is the gap between he and Korpi that wide? I don’t think so. And korpi won’t bring much. But again, I don’t think Elvis brings us that center so I would just dump Korpi.
Reinhart and Miller? That's not meh pieces. Those are big upgrades for us.
Laine was objectively one of the worst players in the league this year. That's not a pejorative, and I'm not saying he will continue to be one of the worst players or should be valued as such, it's just what happened this year.
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Reinhart didn't seem to be a big upgrade yesterday when Elvis was going the other way.
Semantics. He's not a 1C, not a huge upgrade. But is an actual 2C a big upgrade for us? Yes.
You're on the other side of this - you think of Reinhart as a no-brainer acquisition but then balk at moving Laine for him, someone who fits terribly here.
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Yes , the gap between Elvis and Korpi is that wide . No way in heck I’m trading Elvis for Reinhart and keeping Korpi , that’s making the team worse . Who cares if Korpi looks more calm , he had like the 2nd worse save % above expected in the entire league . Elvis could be a top 10 goalie in the league . Korpi is a spot starter , and a middle of the road back up in this league . He’s had 5 seasons now , and has a 2.90 GAA . Elvis has been much better than him both seasons now , and has shown he can be special when given the opportunity to play regularly
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Does he? I wasn't aware of how the roster is going to look on opening night and the new coaches philosophy, let alone who the coach is.
We just won't see eye to eye on this issue I guess. I promise I won't budge in and contest you on your throw away Laine posts anymore unless things change in the offseason as I don't think our discussion is really going anywhere for either of us.
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For my own sake, I hope Jarmo keeps Elvis. Because if not, oh boy.
Short and simple answer, because like with MM and Laine I don't think this conversation will go anywhere either, I don't agree that Korpi is some mediocre backup or spot starter. I think he's far too inconsistent to be an elite guy, but much like Elvis, he does better when he's the unquestioned guy. I think he'll be a good starter when he gets his chance. Whether that be here or elsewhere
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And what gives you that impression ? If you look at Korpis career , nearly every season , the more he plays , the worse his play gets , that is why he has a career GAA of 2.90 . Like Cam, Nick , he was a favorite of Torts , and was given every shot to win the job , and he never could .. meanwhile Elvis has shown for 2 straight years , he gets regular starts , he becomes better and better . Like I said , it would be a backward move for the team to trade Elvis for Reinhart. Elvis is a top 10 goalie in this league if he gets regular starts , not to mention , with the season Kiv had in Cleveland , and he has shown well in the Worlds , are we going to lose him to Expansion ?
Could Matiss Kivlenieks Become Something for the Blue Jackets?
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IIRC you were one of the main champions for letting Bob walk because goalies are interchangeable. And frankly, I tend to agree aside from the ultra elite guys and the really mediocre ones. So with Elvis this is no different to me. Again he’s better than Korpi but if you get a great offer for him then I’d easily hang onto Korpi and let Matiss be the backup.
There is almost no chance Seattle takes Kiv. And if they do, that’s an incredible break for us.
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I would say try to trade Jones for Marner but I think at this point I’d rather have prospects and picks. Why waste a young star’s prime if we won’t be good for a bit, right?
It depends. If all you're doing is swapping Jones for Marner, you've made the team better but probably still not in the top half of the Metro. If you're doing that and signing UFAs like Danault or Hamilton and making a couple other moves to improve the roster, then I think we're back in the hunt.
Would Toronto trade Mitch Marner signed for 4 more years for 1 year of Seth Jones 99% likely to test UFA after next year? No. Cut print moving on. Jones for futures let’s not fool ourselves.
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