Confirmed Trade: [BUF/NAS] Jimmy Vesey's Draft Rights for 2016 3rd (#76) Part III

[Jim Bob]

Hopefully this is all over in 9 or 10 days...

 

[Dr Quincy]

It's a hilarious post too considering the Bruins GM went to Harvard


I know we like to think the Bruins are some kind of beat you up first play hockey later organization, but in reality they only had that kind of edge to them when they were also very good at hockey - which is why they garnered so much hate. Nobody cares about a basement dweller.

The only "knuckle draggers" related to the Bruins at this point are a certain segment of fans that, let's be real, are a part of every sports organization

Not true. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/nhl19272007.html


2nd in East in PIMs, 2nd worst in East in standings. I just picked their last "bad" year but I could find others.

Also interesting: When they won the Cup they were 8th in PIMs. This past year, when they were "soft" and "bad" and "not the same" they were 5th in PIMs.

 

[BowieSabresFan]

I actually have to tip my hat to Buffalo and TM. Fortune favors the bold. He wanted the chance to change Vesey's mind and get his team a young, top prospect who's NHL ready before any other team could. He burns a mid round pick for a chance that could end up not working out for the Sabres, but I can't fault him for wanting to gamble and go for it.

Yep, and thanks for that. If it was the only third round pick the Sabres had, I might not feel the same. However, it was one of 4. Even if it doesn't work out, it is not a big deal.

 

[Estlin]

I actually have to tip my hat to Buffalo and TM. Fortune favors the bold. He wanted the chance to change Vesey's mind and get his team a young, top prospect who's NHL ready before any other team could. He burns a mid round pick for a chance that could end up not working out for the Sabres, but I can't fault him for wanting to gamble and go for it.

Yep, and thanks for that. If it was the only third round pick the Sabres had, I might not feel the same. However, it was one of 4. Even if it doesn't work out, it is not a big deal.

I agree. I thought that it was a good move on Murray's part.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I doubt he goes to the Bruins. Their management are not very bright, I can't see a Harvard grad wanting to work for a bunch of knuckle draggers. I also think the Leafs are unlikely, you don't often see Americans willingly leave the country all else being equal. I think his #1 choice would be Washington, his degree is in government and lots of his Harvard connections would end up there. I think he just sees the NHL as a temporary gig for a decade or so, and has aspirations for his career afterwards that will factor into where he signs.

Does this lovely story end with Vesey becoming the POTUS?

 

[Eram]

If Bowman had done something this stupid, I would have criticized him just the same. Just like I did when he traded a 2nd for Rundblad or two 2nds for Timonen.
Murray deserves criticism for this trade.

I don't think anybody expected Vesey to sign with Buffalo before the 15th. Even if the meeting went as well as it possibly could and Vesey was 99.99% convinced, why sign before the 15th? The meeting was all about (1) getting more hours of facetime to give a better presentation and pitch, (2) showing commitment that he's in their plans, and (3) setting the bar for all other teams to try to meet.

For Vesey, the advantage of waiting to the 15th is possibly getting a better bonus structure. What could he possibly gain between signing before then, outside of fewer angsty replies from fans to his tweets? Yes, everyone can offer the same money, but when it comes to the comparing offers, maybe having some competition lowers changes one of the targets from 25 goals to 20.

 

[Not Sure]

I actually have to tip my hat to Buffalo and TM. Fortune favors the bold. He wanted the chance to change Vesey's mind and get his team a young, top prospect who's NHL ready before any other team could. He burns a mid round pick for a chance that could end up not working out for the Sabres, but I can't fault him for wanting to gamble and go for it.

That's how I see it. Even if Vesey doesn't sign TM has shown that he's willing to put up what it takes if he thinks it makes his team better. I think that helps in bringing in UFAs down the line as well. When another player is looking for a team to go take a chance on winning the cup they want to know the GM will fo what it takes to win if there's an opportunity to be had. Maybe in a few years they want a guy with a NMC and he waives for Buffalo knowing Murray isn't going to sit on his hands like Darcy when he has a chance to get better. Or maybe none of it matters and he just wasted 1 of 4 third rounders, either way it's his balls on the table and it's refreshing to see someone make moves rather than trying to just not make a mistake.

 

[dubey]

He has to play really good next season to warrant this much talk.

No one is talking about him except HFboards

 

[pierre gagnon*]

I doubt he goes to the Bruins. Their management are not very bright, I can't see a Harvard grad wanting to work for a bunch of knuckle draggers. I also think the Leafs are unlikely, you don't often see Americans willingly leave the country all else being equal. I think his #1 choice would be Washington, his degree is in government and lots of his Harvard connections would end up there. I think he just sees the NHL as a temporary gig for a decade or so, and has aspirations for his career afterwards that will factor into where he signs.

You may want to do a little search on Don Sweeney next time being a Harvard grad himself. This is what happens when you listen to the biased Canadian media. I also think the Sabres management made a bold move one of many under Murray and I like his style. No one knows where Vesey is going but this is an entertaining thread.

 

[SabresSharks]

If Bowman had done something this stupid, I would have criticized him just the same. Just like I did when he traded a 2nd for Rundblad or two 2nds for Timonen.

Murray deserves criticism for this trade.

Best case scenario: Vesey signs with Buffalo.

Worst case scenario: He doesn't, so Murray squandered 1 out his 4 3rd round picks.

If the latter scenario occurs, I don't see many Sabres' fans getting upset about him losing a high-reward/low-risk gamble.

 

[DTM]

Well the NHL got it's own poorman's The Decision. Guess he'll go play for the Panthers

 

[Meichel Kane]

Hopefully this is all over in 9 or 10 days...

Only 7 more days until it's only a few more days!

 

[Maurice of Orange]

I'd say GM Stan Bowman, and the Chicago Blackhawks are the front runners to sign Harvard forward and Hobey Baker award winner Jimmy Vesey.

I know Stan Bowman has some kinda good presentation to lure Vesey to Chicago.

 

[GaryU]

I'd say GM Stan Bowman, and the Chicago Blackhawks are the front runners to sign Harvard forward and Hobey Baker award winner Jimmy Vesey.

I know Stan Bowman has some kinda good presentation to lure Vesey to Chicago.

KHayes would disagree.

 

[Dogewow]

If Bowman had done something this stupid, I would have criticized him just the same. Just like I did when he traded a 2nd for Rundblad or two 2nds for Timonen.

Murray deserves criticism for this trade.

Really? It's just a third round pick, don't get why you're so upset and angrily ranting about it. I've already explained how unlikely it is that the player picked in that round ever plays a game in the NHL, let alone becomes a difference making player. He took a calculated risk.

They could have made that same pitch on August 15th like every other team in the NHL plans on doing but only poindexter had the arrogance to think he could convince Vesey beforehand.

Who knows if this trade will pay off? Really there's no way of telling for now. For all we know it could have been in vain, but could also have been beneficial for us. Maybe getting a chance to talk to Vesey beforehand gives us an edge once Aug 15th comes around? Maybe what we've done has helped shift the Sabres up on his short list?

Really the way I see it, he flipped a 3rd round pick for a 1st round pick. The risks associated are different (picking a first rounder that might not pan out, versus going for a guy that is NHL ready and could make an impact, but might not sign), but that's all. It really kind of makes sense if you take a chill pill and think about it.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

I'd say GM Stan Bowman, and the Chicago Blackhawks are the front runners to sign Harvard forward and Hobey Baker award winner Jimmy Vesey.

I know Stan Bowman has some kinda good presentation to lure Vesey to Chicago.

Close up the thread guys, Bowman has a presentation ready.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

That's how I see it. Even if Vesey doesn't sign TM has shown that he's willing to put up what it takes if he thinks it makes his team better. I think that helps in bringing in UFAs down the line as well. When another player is looking for a team to go take a chance on winning the cup they want to know the GM will fo what it takes to win if there's an opportunity to be had. Maybe in a few years they want a guy with a NMC and he waives for Buffalo knowing Murray isn't going to sit on his hands like Darcy when he has a chance to get better. Or maybe none of it matters and he just wasted 1 of 4 third rounders, either way it's his balls on the table and it's refreshing to see someone make moves rather than trying to just not make a mistake.

The Bruins traded a 3rd for Rinaldo. It appears as though the cost of a gamble is a 3rd round pick.

They were hoping he was bluffing to escape Nashville. He stuck to his word instead (he isn't a liar!?)....

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

he might be worth a 3rd, but he isn't a 'top prospect'

 

[Pyromaniac]

Really? It's just a third round pick, don't get why you're so upset and angrily ranting about it. I've already explained how unlikely it is that the player picked in that round ever plays a game in the NHL, let alone becomes a difference making player. He took a calculated risk.

You are making a lot of assumptions. How are you able to tell my state of mind from the posts that I have made? I have only expressed my opinion that it was a terrible trade and Tim Murray is an inept GM.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

According to General Fanager the Blackhawks have 12 forwards, 8 defensemen and 2 goalies on their roster with $2,398,206 left in cap space. Also Chicago is a little weak at LW right now.

So it would make perfect sense to sign LWer Vesey.

2016-17 Blackhawks line up with Vesey in it.

1st line LW Panarin C Anisimov RW Kane
2nd line LW Vesey C Toews RW Panik
3rd line LW Kero C Schmaltz RW Hossa
4th line LW Desjardins C Kruger RW Tootoo

1st D pair LD Keith RD Hjalmarsson
2nd D pair LD Kempny RD Seabrook
3rd D pair LD Campbell RD Van Riemsdyk

Goalie's #1 Crawford #2 Darling
Scratched list
C Rasmussen
LW Mashinter
LD Svedberg

Extra's
RD Michal Rozsival < buried in Rockford AHL < could be recalled towards the end of the season so he is eligible to be on the playoff roster.
LD Erik Gustafsson < starts in Rockford AHL so Svedberg is not in danger of being claimed on waivers
C Sam Carrick (Rockford AHL) < if not claimed on waivers
RW Ryan Hartman (Rockford AHL)
C Vincent Hinostroza (Rockford AHL)
F Martin Lundberg (Rockford AHL)
RW Kyle Baun (Rockford AHL)
LW Tyler Motte (Rockford AHL)
C Mark McNeill (Rockford AHL) < if not claimed on waivers
RD Ville Pokka (Rockford AHL)
LD Gustav Forsling (Rockford AHL)

 

[Dogewow]

You are making a lot of assumptions. How are you able to tell my state of mind from the posts that I have made? I have only expressed my opinion that it was a terrible trade and Tim Murray is an inept GM.

All I can do is go off of the words you posted and the tone of it. I can tell you, like stated before, there is vitriol there. Not standard criticism. It's like he took your ice cream cone as a kid or something.

Anyway, you can make the argument that you don't like some of the moves Murray has made, but using this situation (one that isn't even over) as a talking point will not setup a solid argument. I feel like a lot of GM's would have made this trade, as evidenced by Poile claiming after the trade that almost every team inquired about him. I seriously doubt Murray was the only GM offering a pick for the kid.

I've seen people call him out on the Kane and Lehner trade, even some people who think he gave up too much for O'Reilly (incorrect), but no, this is the move that defines him as a terrible GM. A ****ing third. Round. Pick. Of which we had 4.

 

[Not Sure]

All I can do is go off of the words you posted and the tone of it. I can tell you, like stated before, there is vitriol there. Not standard criticism. It's like he took your ice cream cone as a kid or something.

Anyway, you can make the argument that you don't like some of the moves Murray has made, but using this situation (one that isn't even over) as a talking point will not setup a solid argument. I feel like a lot of GM's would have made this trade, as evidenced by Poile claiming after the trade that almost every team inquired about him. I seriously doubt Murray was the only GM offering a pick for the kid.

I've seen people call him out on the Kane and Lehner trade, even some people who think he gave up too much for O'Reilly (incorrect), but no, this is the move that defines him as a terrible GM. A ****ing third. Round. Pick. Of which we had 4.

Doesn't matter, a third round pick is a huge asset to give up, they make your team better down the road. It's not like we've had 22 picks in the first 3 rounds since 2012, or that we got those picks trading off UFA's at the deadline on lost seasons. I mean we traded 2 months of Jamie McGinn for only a possibility at a decade of top 6 production, who does that, Murray is such a loser.

Unless Vesey comes out on August 16th and says he's signing with the Sabres 100% because Murray traded that pick for him people are still going to hate on it. It doesn't matter if he even signs with Buffalo at this point, they'll just say they would have signed him for nothing if they waited. If Vesey signs in Buffalo the O'Reilly trade becomes ridiculously lopsided. Zhadorov, Grigorenko, Compher, and 31 overall for O'Reilly and Vesey. People don't want Murray to have a trade that good under his belt after the tank. I just don't understand the amount of hate he gets, he can't say anything without it being ripped apart and misquoted to make him look bad, it's like he has been going around North America running over people's dogs or something.

 

[sxvnert]

You are making a lot of assumptions. How are you able to tell my state of mind from the posts that I have made? I have only expressed my opinion that it was a terrible trade and Tim Murray is an inept GM.

Not inept, only trying a bit too hard to speed up the process.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Vesey to Nashville. E5

 

[TGWL]

KHayes would disagree.

Because Kevin Hayes is his only friend. In fact, they're partners in life and do everything together. When making a huge decision like this, I'm sure there's more to think about than, "Hey, Kevin Hayes plays for the Rangers."