Confirmed Trade: [BUF/NAS] Jimmy Vesey's Draft Rights for 2016 3rd (#76) Part III

[BruinLVGA]

I doubt he goes to the Bruins. Their management are not very bright, I can't see a Harvard grad wanting to work for a bunch of knuckle draggers. I also think the Leafs are unlikely, you don't often see Americans willingly leave the country all else being equal. I think his #1 choice would be Washington, his degree is in government and lots of his Harvard connections would end up there. I think he just sees the NHL as a temporary gig for a decade or so, and has aspirations for his career afterwards that will factor into where he signs.

I love this narrative. À la Michael Crichton. I would buy your fiction book. Gotta put a couple unexpected plot twists though, otherwise it becomes too linear, too easy to forecast.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Hilarious so wrong - I'll say a prayer for you at church tonight sounds like you could use something

My advice to Tim Murray is lock up Jack Eichel long term

Nah he's got no intentions of locking up his franchise player long-term.

 

[Mpasta]

I doubt he goes to the Bruins. Their management are not very bright, I can't see a Harvard grad wanting to work for a bunch of knuckle draggers. I also think the Leafs are unlikely, you don't often see Americans willingly leave the country all else being equal. I think his #1 choice would be Washington, his degree is in government and lots of his Harvard connections would end up there. I think he just sees the NHL as a temporary gig for a decade or so, and has aspirations for his career afterwards that will factor into where he signs.

This thread has some hilarious comments so I keep coming back to find gems like this.

Vesey and the GM both went to Harvard. I guess since it doesn't fit your agenda, Harvard must not have been a great school when Sweeney went right?

 

[Semantics]

You know the GM went to Harvard? Who's the knuckle dragger?

Neely.

 

[Mad Brills*]

My god can't wait until it's over in 2 weeks.

 

[Eram]

Neely.

 

[nmbr_24]

I am pretty certain that the culture they are talking about is not running from body contact but instead taking the body to make a play and playing in the tougher areas of the ice while playing a good all around game.

 

[Dr Quincy]

I am pretty certain that the culture they are talking about is not running from body contact but instead taking the body to make a play and playing in the tougher areas of the ice while playing a good all around game.

Minor nit, but this is what Jack Edwards hath wrought. Before Edwards mangled the term, "taking the body" meant a player checked another player. What Edwards (and I think you as well in this case) mean is "taking the hit to make a play". His constant misuse of that has now spread.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

I doubt he goes to the Bruins. Their management are not very bright, I can't see a Harvard grad wanting to work for a bunch of knuckle draggers. I also think the Leafs are unlikely, you don't often see Americans willingly leave the country all else being equal. I think his #1 choice would be Washington, his degree is in government and lots of his Harvard connections would end up there. I think he just sees the NHL as a temporary gig for a decade or so, and has aspirations for his career afterwards that will factor into where he signs.

This is very, very odd and random!

 

[Yatzhee]

Do tell. You've put nothing about this on the Sabres board.

Nothing to tell. Just the grapevine.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Could it be possible that Jimmy Vesey signs with a team other then Buffalo, Toronto, Boston or Chicago at this point.

 

[Irishguy42]

Could it be possible that Jimmy Vesey signs with a team other then Buffalo, Toronto, Boston or Chicago at this point.

Aside from those four teams, the Rangers have been speculated to be on his short list, due to agent connections with Gorton/Drury, and Veseys own friendship with Hayes.

Other than those five...hard to tell.

 

[nmbr_24]

Minor nit, but this is what Jack Edwards hath wrought. Before Edwards mangled the term, "taking the body" meant a player checked another player. What Edwards (and I think you as well in this case) mean is "taking the hit to make a play". His constant misuse of that has now spread.

I don't think I learned that from Edwards, I don't know if we learned that the same place, but taking the body always meant either taking a hit to make the play or hitting someone to separate them from the puck thus taking the body instead of going for the puck.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Hilarious so wrong - I'll say a prayer for you at church tonight sounds like you could use something

My advice to Tim Murray is lock up Jack Eichel long term

Oh, the hometown argument. Mythology.

Stamkos re-signed in Tampa instead of going home. Toews stayed in Chicago instead of making a move to the Jets. Kane never came home to Buffalo.

Eichel's not coming to Boston. He's not leaving the Pegulas, or a team with Reinhart and O'Reilly. Pegula will break the bank for him, and he'll spend 15 years in WNY.

That's why you tank. To get the star centers. And keep them.

 

[Gnashville]

For the last time, what lying? He never stated in public that he would sign with Nashville upon graduation, just that he would consider his options when the time came and sign with Nashville if it felt right--which many people correctly interpreted at the time as a prevaricating tactic and an indication he wasn't fully committed to Nashville.

Any other promises he might have made we don't know about. Poile claims Vesey gave him assurances in private; Vesey claims he didn't. All we know for certain is that he always worded his public statements very carefully to avoid making a commitment. Given that we, the fans, were able to sense this, I find Poile's claims that he had no idea Vesey might go to free agency highly improbable, but, again, we have no way of knowing which party is telling the truth about their private conversations.

You have to admit he was being deceptive to Poile and the rest of the Predators organization. Why else would they spend so many resources on one player if they did not think he was going to sign? Scott Nichol flew twice a month and met with him, and given Poile's reaction when Vesey refused to meet with him it is pretty clear that Vesey was lying. Poile is a GM with 30 plus years experience so I am sure he has been lied to before but Vesey's actions actually seem to hurt him. IMO Vesey had already made up him mind his jr year and wanted to milk the Predators for all the free help he could get and lied to everyone in private and publically said enough to make it seem like he wanted to be in Nashville. His dad and agent hold too much influence over him and they lied to the Predators too.

 

[Ciao]

^ You're making this up and attributing your imagination to Vesey.

It's very entertaining, but a bit too much fantasia.

The truth is that none of us know what he was thinking and you're statements that he was lying are just . . . well . . . lies.

 

[KreiderHouseRules*]

Could it be possible that Jimmy Vesey signs with a team other then Buffalo, Toronto, Boston or Chicago at this point.

I'm going to be shocked if signs anywhere but Boston.

I think the Bruins with Vesey, and maybe an eventual upgrade on the back-end could be a very good team this season.

 

[Dr Danglefest]

Could it be possible that Jimmy Vesey signs with a team other then Buffalo, Toronto, Boston or Chicago at this point.

Some idiot called in to 98.5 the other day and claimed "his buddy met up with Vesey at a bar in the vineyard and told him SJ"

So I mean that's pretty much gonna happen right?

To answer your question though yeah it's possible, where? Could be anywhere really that has a legitimate shot to contend in a year or 2, he's supposedly a home body so perhaps the north east region has an upper hand but we shall find out shortly

 

[Dr Danglefest]

Oh, the hometown argument. Mythology.

Stamkos re-signed in Tampa instead of going home. Toews stayed in Chicago instead of making a move to the Jets. Kane never came home to Buffalo.

Eichel's not coming to Boston. He's not leaving the Pegulas, or a team with Reinhart and O'Reilly. Pegula will break the bank for him, and he'll spend 15 years in WNY.

That's why you tank. To get the star centers. And keep them.

Yeah he's going nowhere....

Haven't we learned anything from the last decade or so of Leafs and Habs fans telling everyone that the litany of Star players that grew up in the greater Toronto/Montreal area would come home to save the franchise....and then never do because well...real life

And before the Leaf and Hab fans come out in droves to defend themselves I realize every fan base does it, it's just more common with the 2 large market fanbases

 

[Not Sure]

You have to admit he was being deceptive to Poile and the rest of the Predators organization. Why else would they spend so many resources on one player if they did not think he was going to sign? Scott Nichol flew twice a month and met with him, and given Poile's reaction when Vesey refused to meet with him it is pretty clear that Vesey was lying. Poile is a GM with 30 plus years experience so I am sure he has been lied to before but Vesey's actions actually seem to hurt him. IMO Vesey had already made up him mind his jr year and wanted to milk the Predators for all the free help he could get and lied to everyone in private and publically said enough to make it seem like he wanted to be in Nashville. His dad and agent hold too much influence over him and they lied to the Predators too.

What drivel. You have no idea what went on behind closed doors, you have no idea how anyone involved felt or what they thought, I'm willing to bet you have no idea about anything that happened. The Preds put time and effort into Vesey because he was becoming a prized asset and they wanted him to sign. They owned his rights and with that comes a certain amount of responsibility for checking in on assets and helping them develop into what you expect. If Vesey came out the day after being drafted and said he'd never sign with Nashville they would still have obligations to check in and know exactly what their asset is doing either to change his mind or extract as much value as possible. The Preds weren't some oh shucks organization who blindly trusted a guy they pumped time into just to be jilted at the last minute. They're a business, they took inventory of assets, then when they realized they weren't getting full value they pulled the rip cord.

Until Vesey broke out year before last Nashville wasn't offering him contracts, but once he did and they wanted to finally sign him he was close enough to being a UFA it was worth it to him to just wait, as is a players right in his situation. I bet if they had offered him a contract in his draft year or draft +1 he would of had to make a really hard choice, but they didn't and here we are. Everyone is responsible for their own predicament, no one should feel sorry for the Predators considering they got pretty much exactly what they paid for him, a third round pick, everything else is the cost of doing business.

 

[Pyromaniac]

Seeing as this is the trade thread, let's actually discuss the trade. What an awful use of assets by Murray. Seriously what an idiot to trade an asset for someone that had already declared that he would test free agency. Murray is a terrible GM.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

Could it be possible that Jimmy Vesey signs with a team other then Buffalo, Toronto, Boston or Chicago at this point.

Pens.

 

[yahhockey]

Vesey to Las Vegas...book it!

 

[Dogewow]

Seeing as this is the trade thread, let's actually discuss the trade. What an awful use of assets by Murray. Seriously what an idiot to trade an asset for someone that had already declared that he would test free agency. Murray is a terrible GM.

Dear god this again.

It's only a third round pick. The chances that one makes the NHL is a shade under 30%. The odds of them becoming a difference making contributor in the NHL are much lower I would assume.

Murray just flipped a 3rd round pick (which we had 4 of) for a shot at an NHL ready prospect that could help the team right away, as opposed to taking a chance on a low percentage player that is years away, if they even make the NHL at all.

 

[Palmer2Fitz]

I doubt he goes to the Bruins. Their management are not very bright, I can't see a Harvard grad wanting to work for a bunch of knuckle draggers. I also think the Leafs are unlikely, you don't often see Americans willingly leave the country all else being equal. I think his #1 choice would be Washington, his degree is in government and lots of his Harvard connections would end up there. I think he just sees the NHL as a temporary gig for a decade or so, and has aspirations for his career afterwards that will factor into where he signs.

I doubt that has anything to do with who he decides to sign with. If it were the case, I would love the Coyotes chances after he sat down with their GM John Chayka. We all know he is an extremely intellectual GM. But in reality I believe Vesey is just looking for the team the will put him in the best situation possible to put up points and be able to cash in on a huge long term deal his next contract.