Confirmed Trade: [BUF/NAS] Jimmy Vesey's Draft Rights for 2016 3rd (#76) Part III

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You think my statement is wrong is so you say something even more crazier? Mcavoy and Zboril dont have legit #1 upside and it's laughable you think Carlo does. They will likely be 2nd pairing dmen. If they had "legit" #1 upside they would have been picked higher than they were dont you think? They have an outside chance but it would be unlikely like Keith or Paraykp. Just because the guy has upside doesnt mean that is what they will be. Travis Dermott has #1 upside too, but its 98% likely he doesn't become that.

The bolded phrase is the biggest fail I have seen in hfboards, ever. If you knew anything about hockey, you would be very well aware that plenty of top players at all positions were drafted in spots that were not even close to how they ultimately developed.

Examples? Jamie Benn... 129th overall... Because he wasn't drafted early in the first round, a bum according to you, I guess?
Adam Oates, Marty St Louis, Dino Ciccarelli, Brian Rafalski: not even drafted... by your logic, not professional hockey players material...

Food for thought for you, food for thought...
 

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Why are you not blaming your incompetent management? oh right that wouldn't suit that agenda.
Where were they incompetent? They were being lied to for years. Believe me I am very critical of management especially this past draft when they wasted half their draft picks on college free agents.
 

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He won't sign on the 15th. That's when he will begin meeting with teams, probably won't sign until the 18th or 19th.

Does he have any kind of negotiating window like regular UFA's? If he did I could see it getting done on the 15th and I could also see it getting done on the 15th since I read in an interview that he said he wants to get it done right away and I believe he said he expects to sign on the 15th.
 

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Does he have any kind of negotiating window like regular UFA's? If he did I could see it getting done on the 15th and I could also see it getting done on the 15th since I read in an interview that he said he wants to get it done right away and I believe he said he expects to sign on the 15th.
No, Buffalo owns his rights until then. No negotiating window. His agent has already said he'll meet with multiple teams over the course of a few days.
 

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Cant wait for this guy to sign with a team that no one ever considered just to see HF blow up. If he ends up signing with a team like Ottawa, the Jets, Flames, Oilers, Panthers etc. Seriously can't wait!
 

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He has to play really good next season to warrant this much talk.
 

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The bolded phrase is the biggest fail I have seen in hfboards, ever. If you knew anything about hockey, you would be very well aware that plenty of top players at all positions were drafted in spots that were not even close to how they ultimately developed.

Examples? Jamie Benn... 129th overall... Because he wasn't drafted early in the first round, a bum according to you, I guess?
Adam Oates, Marty St Louis, Dino Ciccarelli, Brian Rafalski: not even drafted... by your logic, not professional hockey players material...

Food for thought for you, food for thought...
Pavel Datsyuk #171
Henrik Zetterberg #210
Big Buff #245
Gallahger #147
Lundquist #205
Joe Pavelski #205
Palat #208


Just to name a few more....
 
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From the grapevine......

If Vesey signs with Buffalo, Kane is on the move and Risto's contract is set......

As I said, from the grapevine......
 

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Are there legitimate sources out there stating that Poile overstepped his bounds in a serious way?

Just from those that want to absolve Vesey for the lying. Everyone knew that not signing with the Preds mid-season was the death knell. That was the only leverage they had. Poile knew that and so did Vesey.
 

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This is quite honestly the most laughably bad take on the Bruins situation that I've ever read. I can honestly debate your take line by line:



The defense as it current stands is pretty bad. However, they have Colin Miller and Joe Morrow ready to go this year, and Carlo, O'Gara, and Grzelcyk in Providence who could all possibly make an impact this season. Don't rule out an early season trade, either.



That's just wrong. McAvoy and Zboril, along with Carlo whom you left out, have legit #1 upside at best, but are likely 2s. They also have Lindgren, who along with Lauzon, also have #2 upside. That's 5 defenseman with #2 (or better) potential coming into the system likely in the next 2 years, some of them potentially in Boston by then. That's not even counting if the previously mentioned O'Gara and Grzelcyk work out at all. True, they lack a bonafide bluechip #1D prospect, but a whole ton of #2's might make up for that.



Glad you can see into the future. After being a borderline playoff team while working in young talent (Pastrnak, Spooner, Krug), what makes you think they're going to suddenly fall off a cliff and be way worse? The drop from Eriksson to Backes will not be that big as Backes is a better fit (even amid the supposed decline), and with everyone a year older, along with working in more high-end talent (Vatrano, possibly Heinen), they should arguably be better this year, which would actually mean a playoff berth.



Because frankly Boston is in a situation that none of those other teams are, whether you actually want to admit it or not.

-Chicago has real money problems, and with how they've treated some of their younger guys by their 2nd contracts, why would Vesey go through all this to go somewhere he'll be traded from in 2 years? That's not to mention the fact that Chicago has had to move so many picks/prospects to maintain their run that they don't really have a farm, which is why they need someone like Vesey in the first place.

-Pitt went all out going for the Cup, and are in somewhat of the same situation. They have a weak farm, which not much hope coming along any time soon, and are currently over the cap for next season.

-Toronto and Buffalo are in the same situation -- both have good strong prospect pools, and Toronto even has Babcock, but neither team has shown they're capable of winning anything yet, and neither has an established core (Buffalo is closer to one, but even that's in the air with Kane's issues). Toronto also can't fit Vesey in with all of their bonuses without moving someone.

The fact is, Boston is currently a playoff contending team, with a proven core (who I think you believe are way older than they are), as well as a top 5-10 prospect pool with legit depth at all positions, which is something pretty much no other team can say. They also don't have much in the way of money issues, and have even gone so far as to PLAN AHEAD for someone like Vesey coming in (they left both cap and bonus space available for him). Especially given that he's from Boston, why wouldn't he want to come here?

So says the paper lion....lets pump some more sunshine on this.
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God after reading 2 pages of this abortion of a thread, here's to Superman Vesey going to a out of the blue team.
 

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Just from those that want to absolve Vesey for the lying. Everyone knew that not signing with the Preds mid-season was the death knell. That was the only leverage they had. Poile knew that and so did Vesey.

For the last time, what lying? He never stated in public that he would sign with Nashville upon graduation, just that he would consider his options when the time came and sign with Nashville if it felt right--which many people correctly interpreted at the time as a prevaricating tactic and an indication he wasn't fully committed to Nashville.

Any other promises he might have made we don't know about. Poile claims Vesey gave him assurances in private; Vesey claims he didn't. All we know for certain is that he always worded his public statements very carefully to avoid making a commitment. Given that we, the fans, were able to sense this, I find Poile's claims that he had no idea Vesey might go to free agency highly improbable, but, again, we have no way of knowing which party is telling the truth about their private conversations.
 

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The only liar in this fiasco is Poile. He has to cover his ass for his hubris in assuming he could get Vesey to sign. What incentive has Vesey ever had to lie? None.
 

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Oh, that Jimmy Vesey! What an inveterate liar! Here he went and told someone that he would love to sign with the Predators if the conditions were right, and he didn't sign with them!

You see what that proves? He's an out-and-out liar!

Either that or the conditions weren't right.

What "conditions" were those, anyway?

Oh, it doesn't matter! People have already made up their minds! Conditions, conditions! Who cares about conditions! He's still a liar! For years and years!
 

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He will eventually, He can start talking to teams on the 15th, And then get an idea then think it comes down to the Leafs and Bruins.

I doubt he goes to the Bruins. Their management are not very bright, I can't see a Harvard grad wanting to work for a bunch of knuckle draggers. I also think the Leafs are unlikely, you don't often see Americans willingly leave the country all else being equal. I think his #1 choice would be Washington, his degree is in government and lots of his Harvard connections would end up there. I think he just sees the NHL as a temporary gig for a decade or so, and has aspirations for his career afterwards that will factor into where he signs.
 

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The defense is awful and they dont have anyone that can make an impact until the next 3-4 years. Even then the Bruins only have guys with 3/4 upside in McAvoy, Zboril ,Lauzon. They are never going to win with that core again. They will definitely be worse than a borderline playoff team, they have 4 top 6 forwards on that team. The defense isnt the only issue. Yeah they added Backes but he is on the decline and I think he will score around 40 points. His contract will be a burden after 2 years. Yeah I definitely dont see why Vesey would want to play in Boston. At least teams like Chicago , Pittspurgh are still contenders and teams like the Sabres and Leafs are trending up and the core is arounfpd the same age as Vesey. The Bruins are a declining team and by the time their prospects step up into effective NHLers Bergeron, Krejci etc will be on the decline.

Hilarious so wrong - I'll say a prayer for you at church tonight sounds like you could use something

My advice to Tim Murray is lock up Jack Eichel long term
 

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I doubt he goes to the Bruins. Their management are not very bright, I can't see a Harvard grad wanting to work for a bunch of knuckle draggers. I also think the Leafs are unlikely, you don't often see Americans willingly leave the country all else being equal. I think his #1 choice would be Washington, his degree is in government and lots of his Harvard connections would end up there. I think he just sees the NHL as a temporary gig for a decade or so, and has aspirations for his career afterwards that will factor into where he signs.

You know the GM went to Harvard? Who's the knuckle dragger? ;)
 
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