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Confirmed Trade: [BUF/NAS] Jimmy Vesey's Draft Rights for 2016 3rd (#76) Part III
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TheFinalWord
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Dogewow
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That's it? Really?
I don't care if Vesey gave him his "word" that he would sign after graduating (though I'm not seeing proof that he even did that). In the world of professional sports, a player's word isn't good enough. There are plenty of instances where a player has given a GM their word, and it's blown up in their faces. I totally understand why Poile wanted to get Vesey signed and might have been "pushy" in doing so.
It has nothing to do with ego, and has everything to do with Poile not wanting to let a prospect slip through their fingers and have the situation devolve into what it has now.
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Consider it dismissed.
He can clearly see what teams have what holes in their lineup. He doesn't need a GM to spell it out for him. And since he went to Harvard, I'm sure he's smart enough to know that any GM trying to sign him will blow sunshine up his butt, but that if he doesn't perform, he'll be playing on the third or fourth line, regardless of what was said in an Aug 15 meeting.
It isn't just about "holes in the lineup". I don't know what Vesey's motivations are, but I would imagine that he wants to play on a winning/up and coming team, and to maximize his playing potential, and by extension, income potential.
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But the thing is, that could be his reasoning and you're dismissing it. What if he went on a vacation there once and he hated it. What if one of his buddies went once and said something like "dude that place ****in sucks man, I'd never go back there". Who knoooows. Could be anything.
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He would net more salary in TN as well, no state income tax.
Vesey's family sounds like the Lindros family. Too much meddling, too much of a need for an unproven talent to control the system.
So what exactly am I missing? I see Vesey talked about as a surefire NHL player who'll fit in on the top 6 or even the first line.
His stats in NCAA aren't very impressive and his highlights aren't very impressive either. He also is very old for a prospect. So what exactly makes people confident he's that good?
His stats in NCAA aren't very impressive and his highlights aren't very impressive either. He also is very old for a prospect. So what exactly makes people confident he's that good?
Irishguy42
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I don't think he's a first liner, but I think he'll fit into the middle-6 in most places just fine.
And this is from me watching more than highlight reels and his stat pages. This is from me watching pretty much his entire college career.
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On the morning of August 16, the Jimmy Vesey new conference is about to begin. The atmosphere is electric. People are finding it hard to catch their breath. There's a murmur in the crowd and then Vesey strides out before the throng of reporters. He sits down behind a bank of microphones. A hush falls upon the room where only the occasional click of a camera can be heard. Jimmy clears his throat and says "I'll make this brief. I've decided to postpone my professional hockey career to go to grad school." With that he stood up and walked off the podium.
And the world went on ... finally.
And the world went on ... finally.
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People just go overboard with this situation because of the media attention it garnered and the fact that he's basically a free prospect who's for sure playing in the NHL. Plus it's summer and there's not much else to talk about.
I don't think many people think he's a sure fire first liner. I think people just read that Poile offered him a spot in the top 6 to get him to sign, and took it from there. I don't think any GM or hockey pundit has said that he's a sure fire top end player, just that they think he has potential, which isn't unreasonable.
I guess it's the fact that he is a free agent then, huh. His conference has only a 0.23 translation factor and is considered the weakest one in NCAA, his last season would only translate to 26 points in NHL over a full season. But that's not all, in highlights he seems to play a style that's abusive on weaker players. My logic says that if he plays a style like that without having holes in his basic game, he'd have scored much better. Hence, I'm not expecting much, using all the information that I have available.
There are many other UFAs as well and hence I'm not sure why this guy's talked about so much. Maybe he'll prove me wrong but I'm not holding my breath.
The Bruins have done their declining to a borderline playoff team. Now they rebuild on the fly with what is still a top offense and goalie. The defense is the trainwreck.
Why on earth would a young player not want to play for a rebuilding team that is still good enough to push for the playoffs? There are a great many reasons he would eagerly put Boston #1.
The defense is awful and they dont have anyone that can make an impact until the next 3-4 years. Even then the Bruins only have guys with 3/4 upside in McAvoy, Zboril ,Lauzon. They are never going to win with that core again. They will definitely be worse than a borderline playoff team, they have 4 top 6 forwards on that team. The defense isnt the only issue. Yeah they added Backes but he is on the decline and I think he will score around 40 points. His contract will be a burden after 2 years. Yeah I definitely dont see why Vesey would want to play in Boston. At least teams like Chicago , Pittspurgh are still contenders and teams like the Sabres and Leafs are trending up and the core is arounfpd the same age as Vesey. The Bruins are a declining team and by the time their prospects step up into effective NHLers Bergeron, Krejci etc will be on the decline.
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Bravo Sierra!!! He had every intentions to go UFA from the beginning and lied to Poile for over a year. He could have told Poile he would sign after his graduation right? He is a punk liar and talks about loyalty but does not know the first thing about being loyal. I hope his career is equal to his dad's and whoever signs him releases him after his 2nd year. None of these hotshot college free agents that screw their teams have panned out so far. Ego that they think they are better and smarter than the rest.
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He came down here several times and had plenty of time to tell the Predators that he did not want to play here, instead he lied to everyone in the org.
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Vesey IMO isn't a top 6. Most people who think that must think he won the Hobey Baker based on skill. He didn't. He wasn't even in the top 10. He wasn't the best NCAA player on the ice last year. He's probably a bottom 6 forward, maybe even depth. Nobody knows because he hasn't yet played a AHL or NHL game and he didn't light the NCAA on fire last year.
He did have a strong 2 previous years so who knows ?
Still, picking up a possible NHL ready 3rd line winger for free must seem attractive to most teams. We will see if he was worth the agent and media generated hype once he signs with a team and skates touch ice.
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Are there legitimate sources out there stating that Poile overstepped his bounds in a serious way?
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What does the MLB do? I don't know enough about them.
The following part isn't directed at you, but to the thread. Personally, the system is what both sides agreed upon, and there are always going to be situations where it sucks to be on one side or the other. But 1/hundreds of players every few years, I think the system isn't that broken. Lost 1st round draft picks this way are compensated, otherwise, it's the luck of the draw.
How about all of those 3rd rounders that were never offered contracts at all? Does the team owe them anything? A draft does what it's supposed to do, secures the rights to said player for the amount of time both sides agreed upon. Both sides are welcome to use their options to their own or the teams best discretion.
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This is quite honestly the most laughably bad take on the Bruins situation that I've ever read. I can honestly debate your take line by line:
The defense as it current stands is pretty bad. However, they have Colin Miller and Joe Morrow ready to go this year, and Carlo, O'Gara, and Grzelcyk in Providence who could all possibly make an impact this season. Don't rule out an early season trade, either.
That's just wrong. McAvoy and Zboril, along with Carlo whom you left out, have legit #1 upside at best, but are likely 2s. They also have Lindgren, who along with Lauzon, also have #2 upside. That's 5 defenseman with #2 (or better) potential coming into the system likely in the next 2 years, some of them potentially in Boston by then. That's not even counting if the previously mentioned O'Gara and Grzelcyk work out at all. True, they lack a bonafide bluechip #1D prospect, but a whole ton of #2's might make up for that.
Glad you can see into the future. After being a borderline playoff team while working in young talent (Pastrnak, Spooner, Krug), what makes you think they're going to suddenly fall off a cliff and be way worse? The drop from Eriksson to Backes will not be that big as Backes is a better fit (even amid the supposed decline), and with everyone a year older, along with working in more high-end talent (Vatrano, possibly Heinen), they should arguably be better this year, which would actually mean a playoff berth.
Because frankly Boston is in a situation that none of those other teams are, whether you actually want to admit it or not.
-Chicago has real money problems, and with how they've treated some of their younger guys by their 2nd contracts, why would Vesey go through all this to go somewhere he'll be traded from in 2 years? That's not to mention the fact that Chicago has had to move so many picks/prospects to maintain their run that they don't really have a farm, which is why they need someone like Vesey in the first place.
-Pitt went all out going for the Cup, and are in somewhat of the same situation. They have a weak farm, which not much hope coming along any time soon, and are currently over the cap for next season.
-Toronto and Buffalo are in the same situation -- both have good strong prospect pools, and Toronto even has Babcock, but neither team has shown they're capable of winning anything yet, and neither has an established core (Buffalo is closer to one, but even that's in the air with Kane's issues). Toronto also can't fit Vesey in with all of their bonuses without moving someone.
The fact is, Boston is currently a playoff contending team, with a proven core (who I think you believe are way older than they are), as well as a top 5-10 prospect pool with legit depth at all positions, which is something pretty much no other team can say. They also don't have much in the way of money issues, and have even gone so far as to PLAN AHEAD for someone like Vesey coming in (they left both cap and bonus space available for him). Especially given that he's from Boston, why wouldn't he want to come here?
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