Confirmed Trade: [BUF/NAS] Jimmy Vesey's Draft Rights for 2016 3rd (#76) Part III

[Fogelhund]

Don't see that being the case. So far this guy strikes me as the type of guy to take to social media with the whole "BRO THEY PROMISED ME MINUTES EVEN THOUGH IM CRAP" along side with his agent.

I've missed his social media campaign so far. What has he been posting?

 

[varano]

I've missed his social media campaign so far. What has he been posting?

I don't follow him on social media but he seems to have a feeling of entitlement is all I'm saying

 

[Fogelhund]

I don't follow him on social media but he seems to have a feeling of entitlement is all I'm saying

Oh, ok... So, where is there an interview, or any real indication that he feels entitled?

 

[nmbr_24]

I don't follow him on social media but he seems to have a feeling of entitlement is all I'm saying

I have never heard anything like that. Don't you think that if he really had a feeling of entitlement he would never have finished Harvard? He might have decided he was going to turn pro and get the money but he stuck it out and graduated one of the most prestigious schools in the world.

I don't buy what you are selling.

 

[Burt Reynolds]

I've missed his social media campaign so far. What has he been posting?

Posting about how he hates getting smaller portions at chipotle. But I mean, if that's entitled, then I guess he's an ass...?

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Don't see that being the case. So far this guy strikes me as the type of guy to take to social media with the whole "BRO THEY PROMISED ME MINUTES EVEN THOUGH IM CRAP" along side with his agent.

Interesting. It appears as though you know Vesey very well.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

I fail to see what any of this has to do with Vesey not making his money. A team will offer sheet him, or trade for him if Chicago can't pay him.

"A team". See the issue?

That's a pretty convenient excuse. Vesey made a decision that he had every right to make, so not faulting him for doing that, but HE made the decision. Trying to blame someone else for HIS decision is just silly. He had every right to make it, he made it, but it was HIS decision and he needs to own everything about it. The good and the bad.

What bad?

 

[Jim Bob]

Posting about how he hates getting smaller portions at chipotle. But I mean, if that's entitled, then I guess he's an ass...?

Yeah, I have no idea why teams would want a guy like that...

 

[Burt Reynolds]

Yeah, I have no idea why teams would want a guy like that...

By god he's a monster!


As a former manager at chipotle for about 4 years, I can tell you all, please be nice to the people on the line. It makes your life and their job much easier. They're required by management to be giving certain sized portions. It's not their fault.

 

[HockeyMomx2]

That's a pretty convenient excuse. Vesey made a decision that he had every right to make, so not faulting him for doing that, but HE made the decision. Trying to blame someone else for HIS decision is just silly. He had every right to make it, he made it, but it was HIS decision and he needs to own everything about it. The good and the bad.

All Poile had to do was leave the kid alone and let him graduate with his class. That's it. I can guarantee you Vessey owns everything about the decision he ended up making and has zero regrets. The kid has had his life plan set out for himself for years. No one was changing his course, not even the mighty Mr. Poile. Mr. Poile's ego not allowing him to believe that some kid would tell him 'no thank you' created the scenario wherein this decision was made.

 

[Mpasta]

Don't see that being the case. So far this guy strikes me as the type of guy to take to social media with the whole "BRO THEY PROMISED ME MINUTES EVEN THOUGH IM CRAP" along side with his agent.

I don't follow him on social media but he seems to have a feeling of entitlement is all I'm saying

So you have no idea about this guy whatsoever but you make blanket statements about him.

This has to be the worst opinion I've read on him so far.

 

[The Old Master]

By god he's a monster!


As a former manager at chipotle for about 4 years, I can tell you all, please be nice to the people on the line. It makes your life and their job much easier. They're required by management to be giving certain sized portions. It's not their fault.

ya, it's coming out of someone's pay check.... just sign....then there would be no problem of it coming out of his.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

What bad?

Any backlash or negativity (perceived or real) toward him. I'm sure he's fine with that, but when people come out and say 'Well, Poile did this and Poile did that, etc..." it comes across as an attempt to take the ownership away from the one who made the decision. Again, I have ZERO problem with Vesey doing what he did. It's allowable within the CBA and within his rights and he has to look out for himself. I wouldn't like it if it happened to my team, but I don't hold ill will toward Vesey for doing it.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

All Poile had to do was leave the kid alone and let him graduate with his class. That's it. I can guarantee you Vessey owns everything about the decision he ended up making and has zero regrets. The kid has had his life plan set out for himself for years. No one was changing his course, not even the mighty Mr. Poile. Mr. Poile's ego not allowing him to believe that some kid would tell him 'no thank you' created the scenario wherein this decision was made.

Seems like a convenient excuse and since we have NO way of knowing for sure (no matter what anyone, even Vesey, says today) that if Poile would have left him alone, he still wouldn't have gone this route, I'll treat it as such.

 

[Liferleafer]

I obviously don't know Vesey...but maybe the "entitlement" thing derives from the fact that as a player who has never proven himself at the NHL level, he's decided he should be able to chart his own course. While it's allowed within the rules...it really is disheartening for the team that drafted him. We've witnessed 1st overall picks have facial expressions that may have revealed a "not to pleased look" when they were drafted (McDavid/Mathews), but both have signed with those teams. Again, it's within the rules, so he can do it...it's just that it paints him as a snotty entitled kid to some....like Schultz/Lindros.

 

[Jim Bob]

I obviously don't know Vesey...but maybe the "entitlement" thing derives from the fact that as a player who has never proven himself at the NHL level, he's decided he should be able to chart his own course. While it's allowed within the rules...it really is disheartening for the team that drafted him. We've witnessed 1st overall picks have facial expressions that may have revealed a "not to pleased look" when they were drafted (McDavid/Mathews), but both have signed with those teams. Again, it's within the rules, so he can do it...it's just that it paints him as a snotty entitled kid to some....like Schultz/Lindros.

I can't follow that logic.

He didn't decide that he should chart his own path. The CBA that the NHL and NHLPA negotiated allowed this to be an option for players that play 4 years at the NC$$ level.

Is any UFA that spurns an extension from the team that drafted them "entitled"?

It sucks for Nashville, sure. But, that's part of the risk of drafting a kid that is going the NC$$ route.

It's like the KHL threat for Russian players.

Choosing your own path in life isn't entitlement, pro athlete or not.

 

[Liferleafer]

I can't follow that logic.

He didn't decide that he should chart his own path. The CBA that the NHL and NHLPA negotiated allowed this to be an option for players that play 4 years at the NC$$ level.

Is any UFA that spurns an extension from the team that drafted them "entitled"?

It sucks for Nashville, sure. But, that's part of the risk of drafting a kid that is going the NC$$ route.

It's like the KHL threat for Russian players.

Choosing your own path in life isn't entitlement, pro athlete or not.

A. I agree that it's within the rules...i said that. But to say he isn't choosing his own path is incorrect...if he wasn't, he'd still be a Pred.

B. So you would be Okay with any player being able to do this? What if McDavid decided he didn't want to play in Edmonton? Or Crosby in Pitt?

C. Once a player hits UFA, he can make his choice. Why? Because he has earned the right to do so....Vesey has not.

D. While choosing your own path may not be an entitlement for all of us, there is a process for athletes...and they know that. I don't know what team you are a fan of, but take that teams top drafted players, would you have been ok with them choosing a different route?

 

[cgf]

Gotta love sports fans. Nice to know that it is entitled to choose what's going to happen in your life & career.

 

[Jim Bob]

A. I agree that it's within the rules...i said that. But to say he isn't choosing his own path is incorrect...if he wasn't, he'd still be a Pred.

B. So you would be Okay with any player being able to do this? What if McDavid decided he didn't want to play in Edmonton? Or Crosby in Pitt?

C. Once a player hits UFA, he can make his choice. Why? Because he has earned the right to do so....Vesey has not.

D. While choosing your own path may not be an entitlement for all of us, there is a process for athletes...and they know that. I don't know what team you are a fan of, but take that teams top drafted players, would you have been ok with them choosing a different route?

A - He isn't charting his own path. He's following one of the two paths that the CBA allows him to go down. If he were suing the NHL & NHLPA to be a UFA, then that would be charting his own path and I'd have an issue with that approach.

B - Sure, if any player wants to forego multiple years of earning money to re-enter the draft, then more power to them. Just like if any player wants to stay in school versus turning pro earlier.

C - Vesey "earned" it by staying in school 4 years. The CBA defined what "earning" UFA entails. Vesey met that standard, so he "earned" it.

D - Vesey didn't violate the CBA, therefore I have no issue with how he is handling things.

 

[Liferleafer]

Gotta love sports fans. Nice to know that it is entitled to choose what's going to happen in your life & career.

Why exactly do we have a draft then? I guess players should be able to go wherever they want?

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

I'm honestly still not sure why he wouldn't want to play in Nashville right now.

 

[Jim Bob]

Why exactly do we have a draft then? I guess players should be able to go wherever they want?

Exactly.

Get rid of the draft and let teams bid on the services of younger players.

If you want players to have to sign with who they get drafted by, then change the CBA.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Perhaps the only entitlement i'd see with this kid is... if he is demanding a top 6 role. I don't know if he is tho. But if he is, yeah that's some entitlement for sure. I don't really think him staying in college and then becoming a UFA is entitlement, that's in his right in the CBA, wanna blame someone? blame the CBA for allowing that loophole, but if he is indeed demanding or wanting a top 6 role without proving anything in the NHL, yeah... that definitely is some entitlement for sure.

 

[Jim Bob]

Perhaps the only entitlement i'd see with this kid is... if he is demanding a top 6 role. I don't know if he is tho. But if he is, yeah that's some entitlement for sure. I don't really think him staying in college and then becoming a UFA is entitlement, that's in his right in the CBA, wanna blame someone? blame the CBA for allowing that loophole, but if he is indeed demanding or wanting a top 6 role without proving anything in the NHL, yeah... that definitely is some entitlement for sure.

Wanting to pick a team where he slides into a top 6 role isn't entitlement, it's smart career planning.

And the talk about "guaranteeing a top 6 spot" is being vastly overblown by the media. No coach worth their salt guarantees any rookie anything.

Bylsma wouldn't guarantee Eichel anything.

Babcock isn't guaranteeing Matthews anything.

Babcock, Bylsma, Q, Sullivan, or Julien aren't going to guarantee Vesey anything.

Vesey is smart. He can read a depth chart.

 

[Burt Reynolds]

I'm honestly still not sure why he wouldn't want to play in Nashville right now.

I mean realistically it could come down to him saying "hm, I'm not the biggest fan of Nashville(for literally any reason he could conjure up in his head), I don't wanna play there for 3 years."