Dreger: Buchnevich is likely to be traded
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Unsustainable
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But Vegas would have to find a reason next season for Stone to be injured again till the playoffs.
bleedblue1223
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No? They have the cap space to fit Buchnevich next season. Cap is going up and they have a few big contracts expiring.
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Nah, we're all about the future in St. Louis. Buch at 50% retention for '24-25, Krug in the minors taking up $5M+ against the cap, ship out all our guys that suck in a couple packages for 1sts, bring up all the kids and play them in the lineup. Maybe the Cup isn't ours quite by '26, but it's definitely back by '27. No way it couldn't work.
In the real world, I can see ownership signing off on retention for next year after pointed discussions with Armstrong. It's not nearly the job killer that proposing Krug go to Springfield would be, but I think it uses up any remaining wiggle room he has after the last 2 seasons. I just don't know what Edmonton is going to offer for that to make it happen. Ceci is a cap dump and probably doesn't do a lot for us, I don't see the Oilers having the high-end prospect to outbid someone else who's interested, and I loved Holloway's game at Wisconsin but it hasn't translated to the NHL and time is running out for that.
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oh, so they can injure him a month prior to the tdl next season then for the miracle cap space needed for the next big name avail.
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What's your point exactly? They have cap space available for Buchnevich this season, and combination of increasing cap and expiring deal to afford his cap hit next season.
I don't really care about the conspiracy that they fake injuries to work the cap rules in the playoffs.
BleedBlue14
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Would agree on your very last remark. It’s very hard to hold high hopes for Halloway/Broberg. Two guys who have pretty much a full season of NHL games played and both doing so at a very low success rate. I think they’re both probably salvageable as bottom of the lineup players due to their physical abilities. But you have to really squint to see the upside as reasonably achievable.
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This feels like something Lou and the Isles would take a hard look at. There would need to be some major cap gymnastics and not sure what on the Isles roster would be of interest to the Blues.
PocketNines
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The Blues genuinely need high end futures on defense. Those hurt to part with, yes.
200 foot, PPG, all situations, all forward position players with size in their prime that a team in its compete window can add to its contender roster is going to cost the team that gets that player.
101 espn had anaylst pagnota on and he said broberg holloway first 2024 wpuld be his idea of edm offer
So ibwas pretty dead on. He added more coukd come back to take cap off thier hands.
So ibwas pretty dead on. He added more coukd come back to take cap off thier hands.
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PocketNines
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Holloway 22 year old ppg in ahl and is scoring in nhl. He is young and was drafted 14 in 23. He has upside and fits our youth movement.
Broberg is 22 years 6'4" 220 lbs dman who has 19 points in ahl in 29 games. Is two way transition dman. He would look great with faulk or parayko in time.
1st 2024 speaks dor it self.
Checks all the b9xes.
Broberg is 22 years 6'4" 220 lbs dman who has 19 points in ahl in 29 games. Is two way transition dman. He would look great with faulk or parayko in time.
1st 2024 speaks dor it self.
Checks all the b9xes.
Ted Hoffman
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He was drafted 14th in 2020. He's played 29 games in the NHL this season, he's 3-1-4. 81 career NHL games [80 regular season, 1 playoff], he's 6-7-13. That's not scoring. That's Sammy Blais when he's not deciding to go off for 9 goals in 20 games in a meaningless stretch of play for the team.
AHL? 49 games, 17-19-36. Across parts of 3 seasons. That's not "ppg." The only time he's ever been "ppg" is this year, when he was 2-2-4 in 4 games.
Broberg has played 79 NHL games across parts of 3 NHL seasons. He's 2-9-11. Edmonton has given him shots to stick at the NHL level, he can't. Not "he can't, because Edmonton's defense is just loaded," but "he can't because he's not that good." You're rolling the dice on guy who's going to be 23 in June, who's 5 years out from being drafted, to suddenly "get it" because he gets paired with one of our guys who've shown they need someone else to help carry them because they can't lead themselves.
If St. Louis bites on "1st + Broberg + Holloway" Edmonton should hurry and get papers signed and into Central Registry before someone at 14th and Clark comes to their senses.
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He is 22 dylan is 22. Most players dont break out till 23 24. Look at kyrou for example. They are the best prospects available. Buchy was even doing so great till 24 ish. For christ sake man. Use common sense. Dmen usually take longer. Also edm has eckh9lm and nurse on left side. This is a good deal to speed up the revuild. We have skilled players dvorsky snuggerud stenberg plekrik. We will two more at least this year. Bolduc dean as well we need bigger 3rd liners. I think its fair if we take it. They are both nhl ready and we need that. With kappy and a few others gon next year.
Wallinder kasper 1st.
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PocketNines
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Robtom can't discriminate what's valuable to the Blues and what isn't. He is focused on coming up with a demand for each team reported to be interested. This is the best one he can come up with for Edmonton regardless whether the Blues need it or not. So he's in a position of having to defend and argue for those guys in service to what he is doing. It's a service of boredom and wanting to talk about every trade in every thread with every other team more than it is designing a future for the Blues
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I’ll cut it off at this point because it’s the most comparable. Through Kyrous age 22 season split between 3 years and 99 games Kyrou has 19 goals and 28 assists for 47 points. For reference to get anywhere near the classification of Kyrou numbers. Holloway would need to score 13 goals and 21 assists in 19 games. I’m not expecting to get a Kyrou type talent back. But I think you can clearly see the difference here.
Broberg was up and down between 2-3 seasons and couldn’t stick on a team that desperately needed defenseman and cheap defenseman. He provided minimal contribution to the tune of 2-9-11 -4 averaging 12 minutes which is down from where he was in the first year (13:28 in 23 games age 20, 12:36 in 46 games age 21, 10:32 in 10 games age 22.) see where the concern is here? He’s not growing or developing. It’s another in a long line of horrible player development from Edmonton after drafting guys based on tools and physical stature. And rushing them to the NHL.
Why would the Blues put any value on him?
I never compared him to kyrou. I just said that kyrou didnt fully mature till a little older. Thomas came right into the league. I just dont think you can call someone a bust till 24 25. Thats what i am saying. Also edm is horrible at developing anytging other than top talent.
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In Broberg and Holloway's defence the Oilers haven't really actually given them fair chances. Broberg has been given mostly 7D ice time and Holloway has repeatedly been pushed down the line up to 4th line minutes with line mates who have produced next to no offence even after showing games where he drives play consistently. I'm not going to try to sell you on either player because there's a lot of questions still with them despite a lot of potential still being there, but the Oilers handling of them has been very strange.
bleedblue1223
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It wouldn't shock me if those guys develop well elsewhere, but there are questions with them. That's the tough part about making a deal with Edmonton, the value there is more with the picks.
Last year, 22 year old late 2nd round pick Alexandrov had a better AHL and NHL season than Holloway, and he's just a dime a dozen 4th liner. Holloway is not progressing like he'll be more than a stock standard bottom 6 player. That's not the sort of player that should be a center piece in a trade for a player of Buch's caliber.
Ted Hoffman
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At 30, for what the Blues need and are giving up? And for how Ceci has done this season? [Someone here has stats on Edmonton's play with, I think it was, the Nurse-Ceci pairing on the ice and with it off, and then Nurse's play with and without Ceci. Take a free guess which one of the two looks terrible.]
He's a 3rd pairing guy, who'd play a year in Scandella's spot, have about the same impact, and be gone at the end of the season. So yeah, he's a cap dump.
1st round picks who get a shot at the NHL at 20, 21 don't need 4 years to break out into a top-6 role. They start showing signs of production even in a limited role. Holloway ... to be kind, isn't.
Kyrou spent parts of 2 seasons in the AHL before sticking with the big club, and even in those partial seasons he still put up the same numbers Holloway has but in half the games.
Maybe more importantly, you could watch Kyrou and say "OK, I see flashes, let's see if he can get his shit together" even if at times you thought maybe he wasn't going to. Holloway shows nothing remotely close to that.
Maybe from Edmonton. Not from the entire league. "Well shit, this is the best this team is offering, ... f***, I guess we gotta accept it instead of seeing what else is out there" is how franchises get stuck in the bottom half of the league for years on end.
Buchnevich was playing in Russia in 2015-16. His first season in the NHL, when he was 21, he was 8-12-20 in 41 games. His second season, when he was 22, he was 14-29-43. Both of those are far ahead of what Holloway has done.
Holloway is, and always has been, playing his pro games in North America. [Much more than a] Slight difference between the two.
I agree, you should use some common sense here. Start with understanding the difference between Buchnevich's development, Kyrou's development and Holloway's development, and what to expect from highly drafted players who spend a couple years in the NHL and barely produce at all. They don't break out to be consistent 50-point, 60-point guys.
PocketNines
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It's colt55 and nublues at the asylum. I don't post there but nublues is colt and nublues was at the asylum recently describing these discussions he was having here with other team's fans and they were the exact ones robtom18 was making. everybody knows it's colt55, it just takes a memory
