Post-Game Talk: bruins @ Rongos
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Why do I have a feeling DeAngelo is laughing right now? They can't blame him anymore for their crappy play. Quinn will have to find a new scapegoat. We lost a talented Dman because of "hurt feelings". What did DeAngelo do again? Break a stick and push a teammate? That stuff has been going on since the start of time in the NHL. No, I don't buy it at all. And now we're a worse team because of it.
1) That quote is lazy and stupid.
2) My point wasn't even that they weren't just that it has nothing to do with the rebuild.
2 goals in the last 3 games....think it's time we bring back public enemy #1, Tony D!
He hasn't finished his "sensitivity training" yet. Welcome to the new NHL. No name calling allowed.
17futurecap
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Last 5 starts for Igor, 2 goals or less in all of them. He's had a nice bounce back from those 2 games in Pittsburgh a few weeks ago. Hopefully he starts every 4 of 5 the remaining way.
Barnaby
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Idk if I buy that. No ones expecting a cup but we would like to see gradual improvement. I think they have the talent to “be in the conversation” for the last playoff spot.
I don’t know if it’s more or less satisfied, but I’m happy to watch the kids develop. It’s more frustrating to see you’re veteran top 6 guys who you hope to be leaders to be struggling so much.
This. I don’t understand. It looks like 5 guys doing totally different things out there. Do they even practice the PP? Because it doesn’t look like it. Strome on PP 1 is beyond dumb. DeAngelo moves the puck fast, without hesitation when he ran the point. I think if the PP is going to get better they need to do that more. A little to much indecision. Swing the puck quick back and fourth and it will tire out the penalty killers as well and open more shooting lanes. Whether you like him or not, this team is worse offensively without him, especially on the PP. I’m not calling for him back, that ship has sailed, but at least identify and mimic what made him so damn successful back there. Overall it wasn’t a terribly played game.
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Happy to be proven wrong but I don't think Quinn or the Rangers ever blamed ADA for the team's crappy play. They were also pretty upfront in explaining that the post game 'altercation' wasn't the reason on its own, it was simply the incident where Tony ran out of chances after being repeatedly warned.
Kind of feels like you're getting worked up about things that didn't happen...
ReddestRum
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Not sure what a rebuild has to do with wanting your team to, you know, actually score a goal during a game.
Or not having one of the worst PPs in the league.
Or have a coach that not only adapts with shuffling players around, but has alternate game plans other than the one that keeps failing.
Or watch 30 seconds tick off the clock on a 6v4 with one minute left as the other team stands there with the puck in their skates.
Barnaby
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Yea, I’m not about to blame Igor for giving up 1 goal to that team. You can’t expect your goalie to pitch a shut out even if it wasn’t the prettiest goal on earth.
Barnaby
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Streaky, yes. I’m not blaming him for not burying two goals. I am burying him for not being even remotely physically engaged in the most physical game that this team has played in since 2016 or 2017. He wears a letter and meanwhile Buch is getting his butt kicked, guys are fighting, guys are bleeding and CK is in cruise control gliding through the zones. He looked like he was more concerned about his dinner plans after the game.
Barnaby
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Not every team has dead money like we do. Not every team is going to be carrying the potential Kreider anchor around.
gravey9
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I think it's fair to be really frustrated. And also fair to recognize the bright spots.
The thing I'm most upset about is that we only have 2 or 3 forwards who are willing or able to carry the puck into the paint. The Bruins and Islanders play with a ton of structure in their own zone. They clog up in the middle of the ice. They rarely give teams much space to make pretty plays.
What is required is for guys like Zib, Kreider, Buch, Kakko, Strome and Laff is to win board battles in the offensive zone and take the puck directly to the front of the net. Carry it there. Take the abuse, but get it there. Take a 3 ft shot and then someone else bang in a rebound. Don't just pass it to the point so they can inevitably toss it right abck down the boards when theyre's no shooting lane, don't blindly pass it to no one in the crease expecting a miralce and don't just take a lazy shot from a wide angle with no traffic.
Shield the puck with your body and take it to the g-damn net. Be a bulldozer and get it there. Make more than one defender commit to you. THEN, shoot it or make a 2-ft pass to other teammates who are also crashing the net. Wanna create space against a teams with structure? Attack! Force chaos! Force them to break from their structure.
Outside of Rooney, Lemieux, Gauthier no one is doing that.
Kakko and Laff are wining more board battles but they're not going inside either.
And Zib, Buch, Kreids, Strome -- pathetic. The power play is anemic because they're not working hard enough. They're not winning ANY board battles. Strome is by far the worst at this BTW. He does fly bys and poke checks, but shies away from contact even if it's likely to cause a turn over. The vets are letting the team down because they seem entirely unwilling to attack, get inside and pay the price. As a result they're not dangerous enough.
Kakko is by far the most effective player at causing turnovers and winning board battles -- but once he does have the puck he's sticking to the outside. He's not attacking. He starts doing that, he'll be really tough to defend. Right now, he's neutering himself. Which is a shame because he's supremely effective at gaining possession in the O zone. He's right there.
The very best forward we have at doing that is Chytil. And Gauthier has that in his game, but Quinn's a dolt in his usage of Gauthier. Just negligent. Gauthier is a horse that nobody wants to let out of the stable. His style of play is exactly what the team needs more of.
FINALLY -- bench the vets when they don't give it their all. Send a damn message Quinn.
The thing I'm most upset about is that we only have 2 or 3 forwards who are willing or able to carry the puck into the paint. The Bruins and Islanders play with a ton of structure in their own zone. They clog up in the middle of the ice. They rarely give teams much space to make pretty plays.
What is required is for guys like Zib, Kreider, Buch, Kakko, Strome and Laff is to win board battles in the offensive zone and take the puck directly to the front of the net. Carry it there. Take the abuse, but get it there. Take a 3 ft shot and then someone else bang in a rebound. Don't just pass it to the point so they can inevitably toss it right abck down the boards when theyre's no shooting lane, don't blindly pass it to no one in the crease expecting a miralce and don't just take a lazy shot from a wide angle with no traffic.
Shield the puck with your body and take it to the g-damn net. Be a bulldozer and get it there. Make more than one defender commit to you. THEN, shoot it or make a 2-ft pass to other teammates who are also crashing the net. Wanna create space against a teams with structure? Attack! Force chaos! Force them to break from their structure.
Outside of Rooney, Lemieux, Gauthier no one is doing that.
Kakko and Laff are wining more board battles but they're not going inside either.
And Zib, Buch, Kreids, Strome -- pathetic. The power play is anemic because they're not working hard enough. They're not winning ANY board battles. Strome is by far the worst at this BTW. He does fly bys and poke checks, but shies away from contact even if it's likely to cause a turn over. The vets are letting the team down because they seem entirely unwilling to attack, get inside and pay the price. As a result they're not dangerous enough.
Kakko is by far the most effective player at causing turnovers and winning board battles -- but once he does have the puck he's sticking to the outside. He's not attacking. He starts doing that, he'll be really tough to defend. Right now, he's neutering himself. Which is a shame because he's supremely effective at gaining possession in the O zone. He's right there.
The very best forward we have at doing that is Chytil. And Gauthier has that in his game, but Quinn's a dolt in his usage of Gauthier. Just negligent. Gauthier is a horse that nobody wants to let out of the stable. His style of play is exactly what the team needs more of.
FINALLY -- bench the vets when they don't give it their all. Send a damn message Quinn.
Chimpradamus
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Most teams have dead money from some GM screwup or some unfortunate event, but not all teams have made dead money and albatross contracts into a traditional art form, that's for sure.
as frustrating as it is to lose 1-0...there is still a lot more good than bad in this one. starting with the kids, kakko was the best forward all night and laf looked good - more importantly they complimented each other very well. the team played really solid all around structurally against a team as good as any in the nhl at their system. they went toe to toe physically with the bruins. and when it came time to drop em we were game - thats huge. we were the better team overall both games - its only a matter of time. this team is far better and honestly has deserved better than its record. they just cannot get a bounce.
that said...bounces or not we can't score for sht. we get chances, we get looks, we get possession...but we just can't finish. we make every goalie we play look like hasek. some of it is just crap luck and that getting into guys heads. one of these days a couple will go in early and that will create a noticeable confidence boost that could sustain a run of production. but jesus murphy we suck at shooting the puck - both in shot choice and execution. the pp is paralyzed. we establish our setup with possession and then we just mentally collapse. forced passes, overhandling the puck, no shots - sometimes cause we play around the world until someone fumbles a pass or we whiff a shot or we telegraph the cross ice pass for 5 seconds before making it. bos didn't have any more success on it than us tonight, but they had one that had us scrambling and the format was back to point, over to left or right circle and on net. created maybe their best chances of the game. its also a threat that actually opens up that bumper in the middle we love forcing passes to with 2 guys sitting on it. and while i've been in full support of letting laf and kakko come along at their own pace and don't force a bigger role on them - for tonight at least they were our best performing forwards. mika looked on the brink last game but he/kreid/buch did nothing tonight...ice time should have reflected it - pp too. 4th line should flip with 3rd ice time wise. i like howden, seems like such a nice kid, but he's completely useless in any capacity offensively. i think chytil will push him to the taxi squad as long as gauthier keeps this level of play. at the end of the day i'm still high on this teams potential and the finish they can have. goals will come, they really are so close to being a problem. but we do really, really need to work on shooting. volume sure, but i mean the act of actually shooting a hockey puck. we're a war crime so far this year. i don't know if i've seen this many whiffs on one timers in 20 years watching hockey combined. so many times we've taken too long getting shots off and had them blocked. cant get pucks through from point, barely even try tho. missing the net high and wide...like not even close. and then theres brett howden, he works hard, he's decent breaking out, but hank had better hands than him in the o zone.
that said...bounces or not we can't score for sht. we get chances, we get looks, we get possession...but we just can't finish. we make every goalie we play look like hasek. some of it is just crap luck and that getting into guys heads. one of these days a couple will go in early and that will create a noticeable confidence boost that could sustain a run of production. but jesus murphy we suck at shooting the puck - both in shot choice and execution. the pp is paralyzed. we establish our setup with possession and then we just mentally collapse. forced passes, overhandling the puck, no shots - sometimes cause we play around the world until someone fumbles a pass or we whiff a shot or we telegraph the cross ice pass for 5 seconds before making it. bos didn't have any more success on it than us tonight, but they had one that had us scrambling and the format was back to point, over to left or right circle and on net. created maybe their best chances of the game. its also a threat that actually opens up that bumper in the middle we love forcing passes to with 2 guys sitting on it. and while i've been in full support of letting laf and kakko come along at their own pace and don't force a bigger role on them - for tonight at least they were our best performing forwards. mika looked on the brink last game but he/kreid/buch did nothing tonight...ice time should have reflected it - pp too. 4th line should flip with 3rd ice time wise. i like howden, seems like such a nice kid, but he's completely useless in any capacity offensively. i think chytil will push him to the taxi squad as long as gauthier keeps this level of play. at the end of the day i'm still high on this teams potential and the finish they can have. goals will come, they really are so close to being a problem. but we do really, really need to work on shooting. volume sure, but i mean the act of actually shooting a hockey puck. we're a war crime so far this year. i don't know if i've seen this many whiffs on one timers in 20 years watching hockey combined. so many times we've taken too long getting shots off and had them blocked. cant get pucks through from point, barely even try tho. missing the net high and wide...like not even close. and then theres brett howden, he works hard, he's decent breaking out, but hank had better hands than him in the o zone.
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IronBloodedLion
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I was completely disgusted when no one stood up for Kakko. Shades of Carcillo vs Gaborik. It was true then, it was true now, nobody fears this team. There’s no price to be paid.
Also at some point you HAVE to start doing something different. I don’t see anyone going to the net. We’re depending on goal scorers we just don’t have, or don’t know how to utilize
Also at some point you HAVE to start doing something different. I don’t see anyone going to the net. We’re depending on goal scorers we just don’t have, or don’t know how to utilize
Yeah, some people annoy me when they post things like if only we had a different coach, or played that guy more, or the GM did this instead of that or something similar. Some post the same thing after every loss. I can be condescending to posters like that even if I shouldn't be. Then I annoy people like you.
All of the complaints of fans that I just wrote about are in every team's threads. That means that every GM and coach sucks and their team sucks. Fans who think they have all the simple answers to fix things, but that GMs and coaches don't makes zero sense. The fans here can post those opinions and they can be criticized for it. We can all post whatever we want until the mods say we can't.
I can't criticize the GM because by all accounts, the Rangers have an elite pipeline. Does he make mistakes? Of course. They all do, in hindsight, although Jack Johnson was insanely stupid. I assume it was done on the recommendation of Martin, which to me would say I don't want Martin.
Lots of fans believe their coach sucks, no matter who the coach is. How can they all suck? Some, like Trotz, do have a positive impact, but without personnel it doesn't matter. Coaches never win with inferior teams.
Some posters have their whipping boys. The most likely whipping boys are defensemen who aren't deemed physical enough. Mine has been Kreider, but I don't post about him every day. The whipping boy last year was Staal. I felt bad for him. He was a true warrior for this team but the years have taken a toll on him. That's not his fault. Devoting your existence here to bashing him annoyed me.
The only thing I care about when watching a game is effort. Some have been criticizing their effort. In that game with the Bruins they played as hard as a team can. They were up against the best team in the world and lost 1-0. Sure, I wish they won, but I thought it was a terrific game. They just weren't good enough.
Some are blasting Zibanejad. He's trying, but Covid clearly sapped him. In the last two games he's looked better, though.
Yeah, I annoy some here when I bitch about a post that makes no sense, to me, and if I step over the line, the mods will let me know. You have the right to be annoyed by me. I have the right to be annoyed by some people.
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Chris Kreider just tied Bill Fairbairn for 29th all time games played for the NYR's with 536 GP. How unfortunate that he's shown up for about 250 of those games. Only 7 years of NMC's, NTC's, and limited NTC's to go. 
Wait until Mika is due. 
Wait until Mika is due. 
This is an ill-kept secret. Reality is that plenty is going on behind the scenes, always have always will.
Tony D is of the team because he called out Quinn.
This is an ill-kept secret. Reality is that plenty is going on behind the scenes, always have always will be. How many players kicked off a team in the blink of an eye the last decade can you guys think of? I think the Talbot/Downie trade is comparable. One of those guys became persona non grata for breaking an unwritten rule. I am sure I am missing a bunch of names, but it’s still very unusual. NHL players aren’t saints.
Tony D is off the team because he called out Quinn.
Multiple teams have now dumped him even though he's a very good offensive defenseman. They tried to trade him and couldn't. It sure looks like whatever is wrong concerning him is being caused by him. He's not a victim. He's a problem.
eco's bones
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Sometimes the aftereffects of Covid linger for people and to a degree that has most likely happened to Mika. If Mika's not going that pretty much puts are two line offensive threat in question because he's the one that really drives play for his linemates. It's a lot easier to handle a one line threat than a two line threat. The Chytil injury certainly didn't help either. Looking back it was a stupid hit by Rodrigues.
On the 6 games that DeAngelo played for us. He really wasn't any more effective in his power play time mostly on the second unit than Trouba has been and his defensive game was abysmal. Maybe he was upset that the Rangers were deferring to Fox but Fox's game has generally been outstanding overall in all areas of the ice. The off ice issues certainly contributed to his departure. It's best when everyone is on the same page and bringing divisiveness into the locker room is not a good way to accomplish that.
On the fights last night. Our team could certainly add more grit but if you want to call Trouba/McAvoy a fight---Trouba had no problem with that. Lemieux got off quicker and landed a bit more than Frederic did and Frederic's a tough kid. Lauzon is also a really tough guy and he was kind of looking for shit and Buchnevich was in well over his head here. Buchnevich has fought at least 4 other guys--Versteeg, Gostisbehere, Stamkos and Gourde--so it wasn't his first rodeo. He's not afraid but Lauzon is in a class well above those guys and Buchnevich did get in a few and seemed no worse for wear in the 3rd period. Kudos for that even if he kind of got his ass kicked.
On the 6 games that DeAngelo played for us. He really wasn't any more effective in his power play time mostly on the second unit than Trouba has been and his defensive game was abysmal. Maybe he was upset that the Rangers were deferring to Fox but Fox's game has generally been outstanding overall in all areas of the ice. The off ice issues certainly contributed to his departure. It's best when everyone is on the same page and bringing divisiveness into the locker room is not a good way to accomplish that.
On the fights last night. Our team could certainly add more grit but if you want to call Trouba/McAvoy a fight---Trouba had no problem with that. Lemieux got off quicker and landed a bit more than Frederic did and Frederic's a tough kid. Lauzon is also a really tough guy and he was kind of looking for shit and Buchnevich was in well over his head here. Buchnevich has fought at least 4 other guys--Versteeg, Gostisbehere, Stamkos and Gourde--so it wasn't his first rodeo. He's not afraid but Lauzon is in a class well above those guys and Buchnevich did get in a few and seemed no worse for wear in the 3rd period. Kudos for that even if he kind of got his ass kicked.
I just like to see some accountability from the coaches and management. What is our excuse for having one of the worst PPs in the league?
It’s a fact that DQ constantly were trashing our PP last season when the players had their way. That PP was 7th in the league. When it’s his way or the highway, it’s the players fault when it’s not working. Why aren’t the coach judged by his results? The average age of our top PP is what 26?
I am allergic to the lack of accountability based on reality. If you can sell a story you walk scotch free. One cup in 70 years. And all we see is management and the coaching staff taking short cuts, cheating, patting their backs.
So what you are saying is that our organization due to this move will become better on the ice, now and/or long term?
How? I’ve not exactly felt that we have a group that wasn’t devoted and had many discipline issues off the ice. Where is the gain supposed to come from?
