Value of: Brock Boeser

[John Mandalorian]

Severson is not a starting point. Try Holtz or T.Smith or Hischier

If you could get Smith or Holtz straight up, that woukd be fair. Boeser is the realization of potential. With Smith or Holtz, there might be greater upside than Boeser but obviously there's also risk of not reaching potential. But you should also consider the cost of each player. The prospects cost less and are typically locked up longer.

So I don't think Smith or Holtz are a start as much as they're the entirety of what you might reasonably expect.

 

[Peter Griffin]

How about this to make the Canucks cap work?

Mayfield and Bailey for Boeser and Motte?

Vancouver is looking to add younger pieces. 2 30 year olds isn’t the answer.

 

[leeroggy]

Vancouver is looking to add younger pieces. 2 30 year olds isn’t the answer.

A team full of kids has a big problem reaching their potential without some experience. Neither of those two are long in the tooth even with their age.

 

[Peter Griffin]

A team full of kids has a big problem reaching their potential without some experience. Neither of those two are long in the tooth even with their age.

They’re not trading Boeser for “experience”. While Mayfield would be a welcome addition, he’s 1 year away from UFA and a HUGE raise. It’s not a fit.

 

[Tempo]

A team full of kids has a big problem reaching their potential without some experience. Neither of those two are long in the tooth even with their age.

You do realize the Nucks just traded away their “experienced” guys to AZ this past summer because all these “experienced” guys have been so impactful for the team, right?

/s

 

[leeroggy]

You do realize the Nucks just traded away their “experienced” guys to AZ this past summer because all these “experienced” guys have been so impactful for the team, right?

/s

you do realize one instance isn’t everything? No /sarc on that

 

[Overrateprospects]

You do realize the Nucks just traded away their “experienced” guys to AZ this past summer because all these “experienced” guys have been so impactful for the team, right?

/s

Yep OEL 30 year old kid is exactly the youth movement Canucks needed. Team friendly contract as well and didn’t cost a top 10 pick for that youth movement, right? /S

 

[Hoglander]

Yep OEL 30 year old kid is exactly the youth movement Canucks needed. Team friendly contract as well and didn’t cost a top 10 pick for that youth movement, right? /S

Your point is accurate, but that was under the old regime. The new one is saying they want to get younger and add picks.

 

[Tempo]

Yep OEL 30 year old kid is exactly the youth movement Canucks needed. Team friendly contract as well and didn’t cost a top 10 pick for that youth movement, right? /S

You understand we got younger by trading Beagle (36), Ericksson (36), Roussel (32) and picks for OEL (30) and Garland (25), right?

 

[Tempo]

you do realize one instance isn’t everything? No /sarc on that

You do realize getting younger is literally what the Nucks have been doing and saying, right?

/s

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Severson is thrown in to every single trade offer the Devils are a part of. I wonder why that could be?

It's a classic [expendable roster player] + 2nd that is thrown around every.single.day. you want real discourse make a real offer. I mean i dont normally take part in these trade negotiations on hf but just making an observation here.

Severson not an expendable roster player. He’s a legit top 4 RHD.
Which is exactly what the OP asked for, along with a 2nd round pick.

 

[strattonius]

Severson not an expendable roster player. He’s a legit top 4 RHD.
Which is exactly what the OP asked for, along with a 2nd round pick.

He is an upcoming UFA and while he's not a plug, he won't be the centerpiece if Boeser is going the other way.

 

[Overrateprospects]

Your point is accurate, but that was under the old regime. The new one is saying they want to get younger and add picks.

I understand but OP was trying to say having OEL at 30-35 instead of an 18-25(7) was a move to get younger. Same person who bashes Benning constantly but tries to defend that. The players he brought up are one year deals and off the books next year. Canucks should’ve sucked up the one year but instead compounded the problem. Reminds me of Rangers buying out Girardi and signing Shattenkirk. They bought out Shattenkirk because they brought in Trouba. That’s why Rangers cap situation has been messed up last 2-3 years despite rebuilding

 

[Gavin Ray]

Something like JBD + Connor Brown + ? for Boeser + ?

Interestingly enough Brown and Boeser have an identical even strength goal scoring rate (0.23 EVG / gp) over the past two seasons. All while Boeser gets 62%+ offensive zone starts and faces significantly weaker competition. Connor Brown is a shut down winger who is very underrated. Adding JBD who looks like he's going to be a top 4 RD in a few years. I would say this is a solid package for Boeser. I honestly don't think Ottawa should do it and doubt Vancouver would consider it. Which probably makes it relatively fair lol

 

[Eggtimer]

Severson would be the best D on the Canucks behind Hughes.
Severson is criminally under rated in the league.
His last game against the Caps shows how good he really is.
The Devils were down to 4 D for awhile and Damon played massive minutes sitting down the Caps top line . Added a goal and an assist and played an amazing defensive game to help the Devils win.
Was all over the ice generating chances and preventing chances in his own end.
I agree that Severson is not worth Boeser one for one but him as part of an offer is not as bad as a lot of Canuck fans are making it out to be. I’d go as far as to say Severson is a decent #2 or very very good #3 .

 

[HugeInTheShire]

He is an upcoming UFA and while he's not a plug, he won't be the centerpiece if Boeser is going the other way.

Severson is NOT an upcoming UFA, he's got another year on his deal. If Vancouver wants a top 4 RHD, Severson fits that bill while I don't think a 2nd is enough to bridge the gap, he's a decent start.
Severson + Foote probably gets it close though

 

[nucksflailtogether]

Severson is NOT an upcoming UFA, he's got another year on his deal. If Vancouver wants a top 4 RHD, Severson fits that bill while I don't think a 2nd is enough to bridge the gap, he's a decent start.
Severson + Foote probably gets it close though

Definitely intrigued.

 

[Luck 6]

Severson is NOT an upcoming UFA, he's got another year on his deal. If Vancouver wants a top 4 RHD, Severson fits that bill while I don't think a 2nd is enough to bridge the gap, he's a decent start.
Severson + Foote probably gets it close though

I want Severson, just not at the cost of Boeser, even if there is an add. What else does NJD need that we may be able to offer?

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Is there a reason why Severson is in every package to be traded from NJ fans? And then next they argue how great he is and worth it to get a great young piece from another team?

I can tell you why!

 

[elitepete]

Severson would be the best D on the Canucks behind Hughes.
Severson is criminally under rated in the league.
His last game against the Caps shows how good he really is.
The Devils were down to 4 D for awhile and Damon played massive minutes sitting down the Caps top line . Added a goal and an assist and played an amazing defensive game to help the Devils win.
Was all over the ice generating chances and preventing chances in his own end.
I agree that Severson is not worth Boeser one for one but him as part of an offer is not as bad as a lot of Canuck fans are making it out to be. I’d go as far as to say Severson is a decent #2 or very very good #3 .

He would not be the 2nd best d on the Canucks. He’d be the 3rd best, maybe even 4th.

Severson is NOT an upcoming UFA, he's got another year on his deal. If Vancouver wants a top 4 RHD, Severson fits that bill while I don't think a 2nd is enough to bridge the gap, he's a decent start.
Severson + Foote probably gets it close though

That doesn’t get it done. Severson has 1.5 years on his deal until UFA, and is not the type of D the Canucks need. We need someone that is good in his own zone. Foote is looking like a potential bottom 6 forward. This is not a good offer.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

If you could get Smith or Holtz straight up, that woukd be fair. Boeser is the realization of potential. With Smith or Holtz, there might be greater upside than Boeser but obviously there's also risk of not reaching potential. But you should also consider the cost of each player. The prospects cost less and are typically locked up longer.

So I don't think Smith or Holtz are a start as much as they're the entirety of what you might reasonably expect.

Unfortunately this is not the case. If you are getting a young polished product you are giving away younger with potential in order to create something called “value”.

Look it up, I’m not joking.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

He would not be the 2nd best d on the Canucks. He’d be the 3rd best, maybe even 4th.

That doesn’t get it done. Severson has 1.5 years on his deal until UFA, and is not the type of D the Canucks need. We need someone that is good in his own zone. Foote is looking like a potential bottom 6 forward. This is not a good offer.

Yes I know a potential top 6 player and a top 4 defenceman aren't near enough in your mind. Reality is, they aren't getting Hischier, or either Hughes and it feels like that is what you'd consider a good offer
You may not think this is a "good offer" but if they traded him, this would be what the return would look like.

 

[Eggtimer]

Is there a reason why Severson is in every package to be traded from NJ fans? And then next they argue how great he is and worth it to get a great young piece from another team?

I can tell you why!

It’s been said multiple times. It’s not that NJ wants to get rid of Severson . I personally think it’s a dumb move to get rid of one of our very few capable RHD . However , we probably cannot afford to pay him what he will be worth in the 1.5 years from now when he is a UFA . Especially if him and Seigenthaler keep playing like a top pairing. Right now they are new used more than Hamilton and Graves pairing. They are the shut down defensive duo both 5 on 5 and on the PK. If the Devils were remotely close to comtemdig for a wild card spot they would not move Severson at all. However I could see them moving him if it looks like he will want to check out the market as a UFA

 

[Peter Griffin]

It’s been said multiple times. It’s not that NJ wants to get rid of Severson . I personally think it’s a dumb move to get rid of one of our very few capable RHD . However , we probably cannot afford to pay him what he will be worth in the 1.5 years from now when he is a UFA .

This is exactly why Vancouver would not be interested in him.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Yes I know a potential top 6 player and a top 4 defenceman aren't near enough in your mind. Reality is, they aren't getting Hischier, or either Hughes and it feels like that is what you'd consider a good offer
You may not think this is a "good offer" but if they traded him, this would be what the return would look like.

No it wouldn’t. Zero interest in Severson as a main piece for Boeser. Zero.