Brandon Duhaime/Connor Dewar or Marcus Foligno/Freddy Gaudreau

[thestonedkoala]

If you had to pick - contracts and all (which I'll list below), which group of forwards would you have gone with:

Brandon Duhaime (2 years/3.7 million)
Connor Dewar (1 year/1.18 million)

vs

Marcus Foligno (4 year/16 million)
Frederick Gaudreau (5 years/10.5 million)

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[Digitalbooya]

Foligno and Gaudreau are the better players. Give me them.

 

[57special]

Foligno and Gaudreau were the better players.

 

[AKL]

Really hard to overlook how bad the Foligno/Gaudreau contracts are

 

[Victorious Secret]

The Du crew AINEC

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If I trusted getting better players than Trenin types, I'd probably go with the cheaper guys. As such, I kind of don't really care anymore.

 

[Digitalbooya]

@57special Dewar and Duhaime are not better than Foligno and Gaudreau.

 

[Wasted Talent]

@57special Dewar and Duhaime are not better than Foligno and Gaudreau.

Gaudreau was at best in the same tier as Dewar and Duhaime last year, possibly worse.

Foligno is clearly better though.

 

[57special]

@57special Dewar and Duhaime are not better than Foligno and Gaudreau.

Gaudreau was crap last year, and Foligno didn't play for 37 games. Throw in the AAV and terms of the contract, ages, and it's not even close, to me.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Gaudreau was at best in the same tier as Dewar and Duhaime last year, possibly worse.

Foligno is clearly better though.

Gaudreau was injured by Reaves. An injured Gaudreau played at the same level as them. I’m hoping for a nice bounce back.

Gaudreau was crap last year, and Foligno didn't play for 37 games. Throw in the AAV and terms of the contract, ages, and it's not even close, to me.

Foligno outproduced each of Dewar and Duhaime while playing 27* less games. Let that sink in. Dewar and Duhaime are fringe NHL players. Foligno is a 3rd line player that we hope has solved his injury problems.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

I'm ready for the Foligno era to end.

 

[saywut]

4 years was too many for Foligno and 4M is in line with his "peak" which he's passed.

After the year Freddy had he's basically on par with Boyd as a player, who was added on a 2-way. Was at least a reasonable rationale for this one at the time with a thought process to move on from Foligno and let Hartman walk rather than giving him ~5/30 but neither of those things happened and they ended up both extending.

So yeah, give me the other 2, though not really against the "neither" option as there's guys like Lauko who can be acquired for nothing, Lorentz is on a PTO in Toronto, Boyd on a 2-way, etc.

I reckon we could have Tarasenko, Glass, Lankinen, and a 3rd instead of Foligno, Gaudreau, Fleury, and Novak, even an additional asset if Foligno was traded last year. That's the group I'd prefer.

 

[MNRube]

Foligno is a very valuable piece. Our team is soft as crap and he’s our 2nd best defensive forward. Gaudreau contract stinks but neither Duhaime & Dewar were more than run of the mill 4th liners

 

[AKL]

After the year Freddy had he's basically on par with Boyd as a player, who was added on a 2-way. Was at least a reasonable rationale for this one at the time with a thought process to move on from Foligno and let Hartman walk rather than giving him ~5/30 but neither of those things happened and they ended up both extending.

So yeah, give me the other 2, though not really against the "neither" option as there's guys like Lauko who can be acquired for nothing, Lorentz is on a PTO in Toronto, Boyd on a 2-way, etc.

Mostly unrelated to the thread but I like bringing in Boyd. At least with Arizona, he was a serviceable NHL player, way better than Lettieri and Lucchini. I don't know how he's going to fit in but I would be okay carrying him on the NHL roster full time, and he's spent time with Schmaltz and Keller so he knows how to play with skilled guys too if necessary.

 

[BagHead]

I went with neither, not because I actually want neither of the groups, but because it's too close for me to choose one, as long as we're assuming everyone is and stays healthy. Foligno is the best player in the poll and he's paired with a guy who was, only as of last year, the worst player among them. They're overpaid, but Dewar and Duhaime are just warm bodies to me, despite all their speed and effort.

I don't know what the Wild would have done with the extra cap space. Would they have been able to retain Gustav Nyquist? If so, I'd rather have the cheaper grinders and Nyquist than the expensive best grinder. If they were going to blow that on garbage though, I'd rather have Foligno.

 

[57special]

Add in that Foligno and Gaudreau are 6 years older than Duhaime and Dewar.

Prime Duhaime + Dewar + 3.1M AAV > Declining Foligno + Gaudreau + 5 extra man years of cap + NMC/NTC's

 

[north21]

Flush them all and see what ohgren and yurovbcan do. Yes know yurov is under contact but this os all fantasy anyway.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Add in that Foligno and Gaudreau are 6 years older than Duhaime and Dewar.

Prime Duhaime + Dewar + 3.1M AAV > Declining Foligno + Gaudreau + 5 extra man years of cap + NMC/NTC's

There’s a better argument for neither than to choose Dewar/Duhaime. If your argument is cap space, I’d rather have all of it than a couple lower tier 4th line players like those two. I don’t miss them and think the team is better without them.

 

[57special]

There’s a better argument for neither than to choose Dewar/Duhaime. If your argument is cap space, I’d rather have all of it than a couple lower tier 4th line players like those two. I don’t miss them and think the team is better without them.

Dewar at 1.180M is a decent player, for me. I will be interested to see if he improves this year. he weighed in at 192 lbs. at Leaf's camp, which is thick. He always had grit and desire, but simply didn't have the heft to win enough board battles.

I have low expectations for a guy making 1.1M, and raised ones for a guy making 4M. Foligno and Freddy appear to be at the point where they are breaking down, and missing games. It's not hard to beat someone in value who isn't even on the ice.

BG doesn't seem to recognize that most players decline once they can past 26/27 yo. I find that incredibly disturbing, in a day and age where we are tripping over stats and people who compile them.

 

[AKL]

BG doesn't seem to recognize that most players decline once they can past 26/27 yo. I find that incredibly disturbing, in a day and age where we are tripping over stats and people who compile them.

I think what's more concerning is he doesn't even seem to recognize the decline that happens after 32/33, especially with a guy like Foligno who plays a heavier game.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Dewar at 1.180M is a decent player, for me. I will be interested to see if he improves this year. he weighed in at 192 lbs. at Leaf's camp, which is thick. He always had grit and desire, but simply didn't have the heft to win enough board battles.

I have low expectations for a guy making 1.1M, and raised ones for a guy making 4M. Foligno and Freddy appear to be at the point where they are breaking down, and missing games. It's not hard to beat someone in value who isn't even on the ice.

BG doesn't seem to recognize that most players decline once they can past 26/27 yo. I find that incredibly disturbing, in a day and age where we are tripping over stats and people who compile them.

The problem is this would actively make the roster worse. It’s like choosing Middleton over Brodin because he’s younger, costs less, and is less injury prone. All of these points are correct, but the team is better with Brodin.

Should we actively pursue trading Brodin? He has missed 20 or more games the last two seasons. He’s missed almost the same number of games as Foligno in that same span.

 

[57special]

The problem is this would actively make the roster worse. It’s like choosing Middleton over Brodin because he’s younger, costs less, and is less injury prone. All of these points are correct, but the team is better with Brodin.

Should we actively pursue trading Brodin? He has missed 20 or more games the last two seasons. He’s missed almost the same number of games as Foligno in that same span.

If you think that Gaudreau and foligno are the same quality of player as Brodin, then you and i look at hockey completely differently.

 

[Minnewildsota]

If you think that Gaudreau and foligno are the same quality of player as Brodin, then you and i look at hockey completely differently.

That's not what he said, at all.

 

[Digitalbooya]

If you think that Gaudreau and foligno are the same quality of player as Brodin, then you and i look at hockey completely differently.

No need for the straw man. The point I am making has more to do with the argument presented for Dewar/Duhaime than the players involved.

 

[57special]

No need for the straw man. The point I am making has more to do with the argument presented for Dewar/Duhaime than the players involved.

You were the one who brought Brodin into the conversation, and created the straw man.