Proposal: Brady Tkachuk to New York Rangers

[bernmeister]

How on earth are the devils going to make the cap work in this scenario? That's $20M in salary.

access my post
it was a 3 way NY-NJ-OTT

all cap fit

 

[Wondercarrot]

I’m going to bow out here because you and your fellow fans have provided exactly zero proof. The fact that you are trying to claim someone speculating that maybe they might be interested (when this same person admits like two paragraphs later that Canada was a non-starter for the player) shows that you have no proof. If you did, you wouldn’t have jumped through all these hoops to try to claim this.

I don’t need to waste any more time discussing something when I ask straight forward questions and am not given answers to my questions. I’ve asked nicely a few times. At this point, my conclusion is that there’s no intention to provide an answer. Or if there is one, it’s deliberate obfuscation because the answer does not benefit your team.

yeah I can understand how if you close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears, then dance around yelling nah nah nah nah I can’t hear you - that it helps you purposefully misunderstand everything everyone is saying.

At this point you should take this up with Larry Brooks who disagrees with you about the story HE wrote.

 

[Team_Spirit]

The claim they had no INTERNAL discussion about BT is unbelievable. It's their job to consider potential trades.

ESPN’s Kevin Weekes says the Rangers “have had no internal, nor external conversations around Senators’ captain Tkachuk.”

We all know he's the NHL network official trade guy why present him as a ESPN personality like he has a regular show on there? Literally league PR.

 

[viper0220]

Why are we trading Brady?

It’s some just idiots, bumbling about trading Brady Tkachuk. Ottawa got a decent core. They just need a coach that can implement a good system, that fits the team.

 

[Wondercarrot]

It’s some just idiots, bumbling about trading Brady Tkachuk. Ottawa got a decent core. They just need a coach that can implement a good system, that fits the team.

They need consistent goaltending. Literally that is all they need…
Ullmark has started to play well and they win those games - Forsberg starts last game and gives up 3 goals on TWELVE shots. You just can’t win games with that.
With league average goaltending they are comfortably in a playoff spot.

Their shots against are way down, expected goals are way down…they are playing mostly pretty good hockey.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

access my post
it was a 3 way NY-NJ-OTT

all cap fit

How does NJ add Panarin and Tkachuk? What $20M are they moving out?

 

[bernmeister]

How does NJ add Panarin and Tkachuk? What $20M are they moving out?

I may have gotten that post # wrong, sorry.

here is pertinent extract of 3 way
as you see the numbers are more than close enuf
have bolded for yr conv


Rs - Sens-Devs
Devs get: from OTT: Tkachuk from NY: Panarin 5.6+ ret. to 6 x 2
Devs give: to OTT: Palat, Mercer, Haula, Nemec
to NY: rights to Silayev NJ 2026 2nd + NJ 2027 1st
ballpark 2024 cap
out: Palat 6, Mercer 4, Haula 3.1, Nemec elc <1, (rounded to 1) = 14.1
in: Tkachuk 8.2, Panarin 6 = 14.2
cap result virtually even

Sens get: from NJ : Palat, Mercer, Haula, Nemec
from NY: LaF + Fox + Gabe Perreault
Sens give: to NJ : Tkachuk to NY: Sanderson + Batherson + Pinto + Kleven + Grieg
ballpark 2024 cap
out: Tkachuk 8.2, Sanderson 8+, Batherson, 4.9+, Pinto 3.7, Kleven* elc < 1 + Grieg * elc < 1
in: Palat 6, Mercer 4, Haula 3.1, Nemec elc <1, (rounded to 1)
LaF 2.3* + Fox 9.5 + Gabe Perreault elc <1, (rounded to 1)
{* LaF extension next yr kicks in 7.4+; Kleven and Grieg are rounded}
above = 14.1 from NJ + 12.8 from NY = 26.9 total in
above = 8.2 to NJ + 18.6 to NY = 26.8 total in
cap result virtually even

Rs get: from NJ : rights to Silayev NJ 2026 2nd + NJ 2027 1st
from Sens: Sanderson, Batherson, Pinto, Kleven, Grieg
Rs give: to NJ : Panarin 5.6+ ret. to 6 x 2 to Sens: LaF, Fox, Gabe P
ballpark 2024 cap
out: Panarin* 6 + LaF 2.3* + Fox 9.5 + Gabe P elc <1, (rounded to 1) = 18.8
in: Sand. 8+, Bath. 4.9+, Pinto 3.7, Kleven, Grieg both rounded 1@ = 18.6
cap result virtually even

*ny continues to eat 5.6+ cap this season + next retained salary on bread

Rationale(s)
Jersey upgrades status to legit contender. No waiting on Tkachuk. Add season and a half of retained bread makes F group formidable. Loss of RD prospects = wince, but Nemec atm in the A and Silayev not even signed atm.

Sens swap high end first pair, but add RD in process, further RD with Nemec. LaF = huge fan get, local kid 1OA. Gabe P similar, huge upside ready next yr mitigates loss of Fs. Higher end salary out, useful pieces in. Surrender of Kleven is a wince and both Pinto + Grieg makes pivot thin, but that is short term. Overall, good value and a win going forward.

Rs get 1LD anchor in Sanderson albeit for a high price. Pinto + Kleven are keepers. + Grieg and Batherson flipped usefully

 

[HuGort]

Rangers made a mistake when they rebuilt. They didn't go low enough to get a star. Now trying to acquire one.

Most rebuilds aren't successful if they don't get a star. Odds much more better if they do anyway

 

[Mrfenn92]

Rangers made a mistake when they rebuilt. They didn't go low enough to get a star. Now trying to acquire one.

Most rebuilds aren't successful if they don't get a star. Odds much more better if they do anyway

Rangers signed panarin and Adam fox forced his way there. That shesterkin guy is pretty good also

 

[Pavlikovsky]

Rangers made a mistake when they rebuilt. They didn't go low enough to get a star. Now trying to acquire one.

Most rebuilds aren't successful if they don't get a star. Odds much more better if they do anyway

They lucked into a 2nd and 1st overall pick I don't know how you pick lower than that.

I'd say it has to do with their drafting, and player development. They whiffed hard on Lias Andersson, and Vitali Kravtsov. I don't know where the blame lies on Kakko's development, but something went wrong there.

They did something right in 2020 tho with Laf, Schneider, Cuylle, Rempe

 

[Jerzey Devil]

They lucked into a 2nd and 1st overall pick I don't know how you pick lower than that.

I'd say it has to do with their drafting, and player development. They whiffed hard on Lias Andersson, and Vitali Kravtsov. I don't know where the blame lies on Kakko's development, but something went wrong there.

They did something right in 2020 tho with Laf, Schneider, Cuylle, Rempe

They just didn’t spend enough time on the rebuild. They got a couple of high draft picks and had a pretty decent group of players already established so they rolled with it.

The other option would have been trading off more of the established players for draft picks and spend more time at the bottom.

But they’ve been pretty successful over the past few years so who’s to say it was the wrong decision? If they end up not winning a cup you can’t really be too upset because they got pretty close.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I may have gotten that post # wrong, sorry.

here is pertinent extract of 3 way
as you see the numbers are more than close enuf
have bolded for yr conv


Rs - Sens-Devs
Devs get: from OTT: Tkachuk from NY: Panarin 5.6+ ret. to 6 x 2
Devs give: to OTT: Palat, Mercer, Haula, Nemec
to NY: rights to Silayev NJ 2026 2nd + NJ 2027 1st
ballpark 2024 cap
out: Palat 6, Mercer 4, Haula 3.1, Nemec elc <1, (rounded to 1) = 14.1
in: Tkachuk 8.2, Panarin 6 = 14.2
cap result virtually even

Sens get: from NJ : Palat, Mercer, Haula, Nemec
from NY: LaF + Fox + Gabe Perreault
Sens give: to NJ : Tkachuk to NY: Sanderson + Batherson + Pinto + Kleven + Grieg
ballpark 2024 cap
out: Tkachuk 8.2, Sanderson 8+, Batherson, 4.9+, Pinto 3.7, Kleven* elc < 1 + Grieg * elc < 1
in: Palat 6, Mercer 4, Haula 3.1, Nemec elc <1, (rounded to 1)
LaF 2.3* + Fox 9.5 + Gabe Perreault elc <1, (rounded to 1)
{* LaF extension next yr kicks in 7.4+; Kleven and Grieg are rounded}
above = 14.1 from NJ + 12.8 from NY = 26.9 total in
above = 8.2 to NJ + 18.6 to NY = 26.8 total in
cap result virtually even

Rs get: from NJ : rights to Silayev NJ 2026 2nd + NJ 2027 1st
from Sens: Sanderson, Batherson, Pinto, Kleven, Grieg
Rs give: to NJ : Panarin 5.6+ ret. to 6 x 2 to Sens: LaF, Fox, Gabe P
ballpark 2024 cap
out: Panarin* 6 + LaF 2.3* + Fox 9.5 + Gabe P elc <1, (rounded to 1) = 18.8
in: Sand. 8+, Bath. 4.9+, Pinto 3.7, Kleven, Grieg both rounded 1@ = 18.6
cap result virtually even

*ny continues to eat 5.6+ cap this season + next retained salary on bread

Rationale(s)
Jersey upgrades status to legit contender. No waiting on Tkachuk. Add season and a half of retained bread makes F group formidable. Loss of RD prospects = wince, but Nemec atm in the A and Silayev not even signed atm.

Sens swap high end first pair, but add RD in process, further RD with Nemec. LaF = huge fan get, local kid 1OA. Gabe P similar, huge upside ready next yr mitigates loss of Fs. Higher end salary out, useful pieces in. Surrender of Kleven is a wince and both Pinto + Grieg makes pivot thin, but that is short term. Overall, good value and a win going forward.

Rs get 1LD anchor in Sanderson albeit for a high price. Pinto + Kleven are keepers. + Grieg and Batherson flipped usefully

 

[bernmeister]

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tough job but somebody's gotta do it

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

They just didn’t spend enough time on the rebuild. They got a couple of high draft picks and had a pretty decent group of players already established so they rolled with it.

The other option would have been trading off more of the established players for draft picks and spend more time at the bottom.

But they’ve been pretty successful over the past few years so who’s to say it was the wrong decision? If they end up not winning a cup you can’t really be too upset because they got pretty close.

They didn't need to go on a long rebuild because they already had a few relatively young stars to build around before the rebuild started, Fox, Panarin, Zibanejad and Shesterkin.

The rebuild was also expedited by getting two top picks that quite frankly, they didn't deserve. Neither of those pick worked out as expected, if they did, the Rangers would be a contender right now. They still got another star player in Lafreniere, who was an important piece to their playoff run last year.

They did not need to do a full scale rebuild because they are a destination team for free agents. Getting Panarin+Fox both wanting to sign there significantly expedited any rebuild or re-tool. (They had to trade for the rights to Fox, but he chose New York.)

 

[HuGort]

Rangers signed panarin and Adam fox forced his way there. That shesterkin guy is pretty good also

They are, but you lacking that stuff center. Crosby, MacKinnon, Toews type.

 

[Xspyrit]

Rangers made a mistake when they rebuilt. They didn't go low enough to get a star. Now trying to acquire one.

Most rebuilds aren't successful if they don't get a star. Odds much more better if they do anyway

Do you mean superstar? Because they have several stars

Artemi Panarin 33
Chris Kreider 33
Mika Zibanejad 31
Vincent Trocheck 31
Alexis Lafrenière 23
Adam Fox 26
Igor Shesterkin 29

Only Kreider seems to be slowing down due to age. Fox is a Top-5 D-man in the league but I think they really lack depth on defense after him. Panarin is Top-20 all-time in PPG so I guess he can be considered as a "star" lol

 

[TheBeard]

Do you mean superstar? Because they have several stars

Artemi Panarin 33
Chris Kreider 33
Mika Zibanejad 31
Vincent Trocheck 31
Alexis Lafrenière 23
Adam Fox 26
Igor Shesterkin 29

Only Kreider seems to be slowing down due to age. Fox is a Top-5 D-man in the league but I think they really lack depth on defense after him. Panarin is Top-20 all-time in PPG so I guess he can be considered as a "star" lol

lListen, I like Trocheck but dude has never had a PPG season and has only topped 30 goals once. He's just a good player.

 

[HuGort]

Do you mean superstar? Because they have several stars

Artemi Panarin 33
Chris Kreider 33
Mika Zibanejad 31
Vincent Trocheck 31
Alexis Lafrenière 23
Adam Fox 26
Igor Shesterkin 29

Only Kreider seems to be slowing down due to age. Fox is a Top-5 D-man in the league but I think they really lack depth on defense after him. Panarin is Top-20 all-time in PPG so I guess he can be considered as a "star" lol

Pretty hard to win a cup without that stud center. MacKinnon, Crosby, Tkachuk, Toews, Eichel, Kopitar types

 

[Golden_Jet]

Pretty hard to win a cup without that stud center. MacKinnon, Crosby, Tkachuk, Toews, Eichel, Kopitar types

Tkachuk has never played centre, so I guess he’s out ,

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Brady for 50 goal man Kreider and a 1st and 2nd

 

[Emperoreddy]

I may have gotten that post # wrong, sorry.

here is pertinent extract of 3 way
as you see the numbers are more than close enuf
have bolded for yr conv


Rs - Sens-Devs
Devs get: from OTT: Tkachuk from NY: Panarin 5.6+ ret. to 6 x 2
Devs give: to OTT: Palat, Mercer, Haula, Nemec
to NY: rights to Silayev NJ 2026 2nd + NJ 2027 1st
ballpark 2024 cap
out: Palat 6, Mercer 4, Haula 3.1, Nemec elc <1, (rounded to 1) = 14.1
in: Tkachuk 8.2, Panarin 6 = 14.2
cap result virtually even

Sens get: from NJ : Palat, Mercer, Haula, Nemec
from NY: LaF + Fox + Gabe Perreault
Sens give: to NJ : Tkachuk to NY: Sanderson + Batherson + Pinto + Kleven + Grieg
ballpark 2024 cap
out: Tkachuk 8.2, Sanderson 8+, Batherson, 4.9+, Pinto 3.7, Kleven* elc < 1 + Grieg * elc < 1
in: Palat 6, Mercer 4, Haula 3.1, Nemec elc <1, (rounded to 1)
LaF 2.3* + Fox 9.5 + Gabe Perreault elc <1, (rounded to 1)
{* LaF extension next yr kicks in 7.4+; Kleven and Grieg are rounded}
above = 14.1 from NJ + 12.8 from NY = 26.9 total in
above = 8.2 to NJ + 18.6 to NY = 26.8 total in
cap result virtually even

Rs get: from NJ : rights to Silayev NJ 2026 2nd + NJ 2027 1st
from Sens: Sanderson, Batherson, Pinto, Kleven, Grieg
Rs give: to NJ : Panarin 5.6+ ret. to 6 x 2 to Sens: LaF, Fox, Gabe P
ballpark 2024 cap
out: Panarin* 6 + LaF 2.3* + Fox 9.5 + Gabe P elc <1, (rounded to 1) = 18.8
in: Sand. 8+, Bath. 4.9+, Pinto 3.7, Kleven, Grieg both rounded 1@ = 18.6
cap result virtually even

*ny continues to eat 5.6+ cap this season + next retained salary on bread

Rationale(s)
Jersey upgrades status to legit contender. No waiting on Tkachuk. Add season and a half of retained bread makes F group formidable. Loss of RD prospects = wince, but Nemec atm in the A and Silayev not even signed atm.

Sens swap high end first pair, but add RD in process, further RD with Nemec. LaF = huge fan get, local kid 1OA. Gabe P similar, huge upside ready next yr mitigates loss of Fs. Higher end salary out, useful pieces in. Surrender of Kleven is a wince and both Pinto + Grieg makes pivot thin, but that is short term. Overall, good value and a win going forward.

Rs get 1LD anchor in Sanderson albeit for a high price. Pinto + Kleven are keepers. + Grieg and Batherson flipped usefully

This is legitimately insane, but i respect you somehow found a way to make the money work

 

[Ciao]

@HuGort Maybe you mean Barkov, not Tkachuk?

@bernmeister I'm glad you have a harmless hobby, but man you must have a lot of time on your hands!

 

[TeamRenzo]

I may have gotten that post # wrong, sorry.

here is pertinent extract of 3 way
as you see the numbers are more than close enuf
have bolded for yr conv


Rs - Sens-Devs
Devs get: from OTT: Tkachuk from NY: Panarin 5.6+ ret. to 6 x 2
Devs give: to OTT: Palat, Mercer, Haula, Nemec
to NY: rights to Silayev NJ 2026 2nd + NJ 2027 1st
ballpark 2024 cap
out: Palat 6, Mercer 4, Haula 3.1, Nemec elc <1, (rounded to 1) = 14.1
in: Tkachuk 8.2, Panarin 6 = 14.2
cap result virtually even

Sens get: from NJ : Palat, Mercer, Haula, Nemec
from NY: LaF + Fox + Gabe Perreault
Sens give: to NJ : Tkachuk to NY: Sanderson + Batherson + Pinto + Kleven + Grieg
ballpark 2024 cap
out: Tkachuk 8.2, Sanderson 8+, Batherson, 4.9+, Pinto 3.7, Kleven* elc < 1 + Grieg * elc < 1
in: Palat 6, Mercer 4, Haula 3.1, Nemec elc <1, (rounded to 1)
LaF 2.3* + Fox 9.5 + Gabe Perreault elc <1, (rounded to 1)
{* LaF extension next yr kicks in 7.4+; Kleven and Grieg are rounded}
above = 14.1 from NJ + 12.8 from NY = 26.9 total in
above = 8.2 to NJ + 18.6 to NY = 26.8 total in
cap result virtually even

Rs get: from NJ : rights to Silayev NJ 2026 2nd + NJ 2027 1st
from Sens: Sanderson, Batherson, Pinto, Kleven, Grieg
Rs give: to NJ : Panarin 5.6+ ret. to 6 x 2 to Sens: LaF, Fox, Gabe P
ballpark 2024 cap
out: Panarin* 6 + LaF 2.3* + Fox 9.5 + Gabe P elc <1, (rounded to 1) = 18.8
in: Sand. 8+, Bath. 4.9+, Pinto 3.7, Kleven, Grieg both rounded 1@ = 18.6
cap result virtually even

*ny continues to eat 5.6+ cap this season + next retained salary on bread

Rationale(s)
Jersey upgrades status to legit contender. No waiting on Tkachuk. Add season and a half of retained bread makes F group formidable. Loss of RD prospects = wince, but Nemec atm in the A and Silayev not even signed atm.

Sens swap high end first pair, but add RD in process, further RD with Nemec. LaF = huge fan get, local kid 1OA. Gabe P similar, huge upside ready next yr mitigates loss of Fs. Higher end salary out, useful pieces in. Surrender of Kleven is a wince and both Pinto + Grieg makes pivot thin, but that is short term. Overall, good value and a win going forward.

Rs get 1LD anchor in Sanderson albeit for a high price. Pinto + Kleven are keepers. + Grieg and Batherson flipped usefully

Utterly ridiculous

 

[SML2]

I can pick my nose with my tongue

Pool party is that you?

 

[Voight]

Do you mean superstar? Because they have several stars

Artemi Panarin 33
Chris Kreider 33
Mika Zibanejad 31
Vincent Trocheck 31
Alexis Lafrenière 23
Adam Fox 26
Igor Shesterkin 29

Only Kreider seems to be slowing down due to age. Fox is a Top-5 D-man in the league but I think they really lack depth on defense after him. Panarin is Top-20 all-time in PPG so I guess he can be considered as a "star" lol

Not sure I'd call Zibanejad, Trochek and Kreider stars. Probably not Laf either.