Thanks for sharing your perspective. I personally don’t equate being immature and on unfriendly terms with another young woman with the pathology necessary to send 1000’s of hateful and harassing messages from a burner ip. It’s not a refusal to consider it, its me considering it and then tossing it for being unlikely compared to the obvious alternative.
Personally I think that the social consequences that the Hoffman’s dealt with was pretty consequential. Getting hate mail and death threats based on an unproven allegation, one that the accusers don’t even want to pursue, is a pretty terrible consequence in my opinion. I mean the city seemed to think that hate mail towards the Karlsson’s was pretty consequential no?
I am also baffled that you think that neither person suffered any career consequences when both were literally run out of town based on the allegations (I.e. Mike lost his job with Sens over this). Hoffman has spoken publicly about how difficult it was for him and how he was viewed as a locker room issue guy because of it. Not to mention all the media attentions at the time about his tanked trade value, his pariah status, and limited contract options. The GM in Florida even talked about needing/wanting to meet them before signing Mike due to the drama in Ottawa (gave a glowing report on the couple as well).
The fact that both are working and have seemingly moved past the consequences of the incident speak more to their own perseverance than any lack of consequences to begin with.
I am aware that it’s possible to send things from a different ip address, but sending 1000’s of messages in hiding, and then vehemently inviting investigation and proof, is simply not behaviour that guilty people engage in for the most part. If she was guilty but got away, it’s unlikely that she would then egg on police and the Karlssons to find proof. Again, it’s possible that she is this pathological and Mike is protecting her, but after considering this be the more obvious alternative I have rejected it.
If the Hoffmans were comfortable in Ottawa and had to move, that must suck, but Hoffman has not had an issue finding any work in the league since the issue based off what we can observe the past few years. He may have been viewed as a locker room issue at the time, but management in Florida (like you said) didn't have an issue with him and have documented accounts of being fine with him. His trade value being tanked doesn't exactly influence him getting moved, clearly because he was moved twice and signing a contract after his last deal expired. In terms of actual career consequences, Hoffman hasn't 'suffered'. Caryk received hateful msgs, absolutely serious issue, career wise she still has a $400 000 net-worth in her professions in real estate and travel.
Caryk can invite the cops and the most specialized IT people in Canada if she'd like, but unless someone was following her and knew her whereabouts for a long time, its literally near impossible to investigate.
Also, remember, the Karlsson's filed for a peace bond/fancy restraining order. That's quite different from looking to prove that Caryk was the harasser. They wanted to be left alone and the order seemed to have worked, so why pursue something that can cause them further stress. I don't know, i'm spitballing, just as you are, but based off my speculating, I'm' not willing to judge either player's leadership.
My whole point is the following, even if you are considering one scenario over the other based on likeliness, its speculation despite not knowing the facts and by choosing one, you're speculating without evidence. I haven't done that with any other player, and will continue to do so, but its the same standard you're holding other posters to. Ftr, I don't think Brady is a bad leader based on what Agent Zub has said, I blame lack of accountability on management foremost and don't think there's even enough info/time to evaluate Tkachuk's C.
