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Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

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Salva Mea said:
how hell hi can shot like that. why we dont saw this before
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Brady has proven time and time again after being drafted that he's much more offensively gifted in all areas than most were willing to give him credit for. This isn't new to him as a player either, I remember a seeing a dangerous offensive player for the USA at the WJC before we drafted him #4OV.

He's a confident and creative offensive player that can play the game any way. Period. He's got high hockey IQ, but he just happens to be a brusing PWF that's built physically and hard wired to play that brand of hard nosed hockey.

And this confuses a lot of people that have a narrow minded definition of what a "skilled" player should look like in the modern day NHL. Brady is a unicorn from a past age in todays game in a lot of ways. Like he was the template for a perfect winger like 25 years ago - like a Brendan Shanahan (or Big Walt lol) type of player.
 
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DueDiligence said:
Compare Leafs' over the hill, overpaid captain to Brady and you could see in their respective teams. The Senators were not intimidated by the Leafs and it showed in their play last night.
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I was teasing my Leafer cousins how the JT signing screwed Toronto from the start. AM34 was already better than JT at the time of the signing after coming off a 40g season and they had a completely capable 2C in Kadri. Tavares messed up their cap structure and they can't pay for depth.

Makes it so much more fun to have Brady as captain where even at worse, he's only marginally overpaid but so far he's worth every penny.
 
Looked like Brady's celly after getting the 5-2 goal against the leafs was imitating Marner's move after Marner mocked .the Frank the Tank shuffle last time after he scored one on us.

Been a tough year for Brady but he handles all the off ice stuff like a veteran captain
 
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Samsquanch said:
Brady has proven time and time again after being drafted that he's much more offensively gifted in all areas than most were willing to give him credit for. This isn't new to him as a player either, I remember a seeing a dangerous offensive player for the USA at the WJC before we drafted him #4OV.

He's a confident and creative offensive player that can play the game any way. Period. He's got high hockey IQ, but he just happens to be a brusing PWF that's built physically and hard wired to play that brand of hard nosed hockey.

And this confuses a lot of people that have a narrow minded definition of what a "skilled" player should look like in the modern day NHL. Brady is a unicorn from a past age in todays game in a lot of ways. Like he was the template for a perfect winger like 25 years ago - like a Brendan Shanahan (or Big Walt lol) type of player.
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Good Post! :clap:
 
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Brady has a deceptively good shot, he always places it well and messes with the timing of the release and manages to catch a lot of goalies off guard. So many of his goals comes from just over/under the keepers gloves/blocker
 
WORLDSTARHIPHOP said:
Brady has a deceptively good shot, he always places it well and messes with the timing of the release and manages to catch a lot of goalies off guard. So many of his goals comes from just over/under the keepers gloves/blocker
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Even though he's been branded as a front-of-the-net power forward, he seems more effective scoring-wise from the dot or at least a little away from the net, when given a bit of time to lift the puck or put some oomph behind his release.
 
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OD99 said:
Loved him and Timmy staring down the Habs faithful. This is going to be a good rivalry for a long time.

Also like that he took on KCJAAAIZ but didn't give him the respect to drop the gloves. No doubt they go sometime but this year isn't it.
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Xhekkaj is a big dude. Love chuk and hes a unit himself but i would not want to see him drop the mits with him
 
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what a game yesterday. looked like a perry/getzlaf.

feels like he's been getting a lot of hate this season but i like Joseph on that line, if they are going to have Brady skate up to stretch the play as a strategy you can't have Batherson on that line who has little defensive iq or Giroux who isn't the fleetest of floor. they were giving up more than they were scoring.

Joseph is not a grinder, so playing him with guys like Motte, Brassard etc was a waste anyway. He can be the defensive specialist on the line and have enough speed and skill to carry the puck and make plays. end result is they are a lot better all around even if Joseph isn't a true top six player.
 
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Agent Zub said:
what a game yesterday. looked like a perry/getzlaf.

feels like he's been getting a lot of hate this season but i like Joseph on that line, if they are going to have Brady skate up to stretch the play as a strategy you can't have Batherson on that line who has little defensive iq or Giroux who isn't the fleetest of floor. they were giving up more than they were scoring.

Joseph is not a grinder, so playing him with guys like Motte, Brassard etc was a waste anyway. He can be the defensive specialist on the line and have enough speed and skill to carry the puck and make plays. end result is they are a lot better all around even if Joseph isn't a true top six player.
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From a cap perspective, if you can get a guy making a positive contribution in the top six while paying him a bottom six salary, that's a win.

No one thinks that Brendan Morrison or Zach Hyman are top line talents, but if you get the right fit, and the line works, who cares?
 
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Samsquanch said:
Brady has proven time and time again after being drafted that he's much more offensively gifted in all areas than most were willing to give him credit for. This isn't new to him as a player either, I remember a seeing a dangerous offensive player for the USA at the WJC before we drafted him #4OV.

He's a confident and creative offensive player that can play the game any way. Period. He's got high hockey IQ, but he just happens to be a brusing PWF that's built physically and hard wired to play that brand of hard nosed hockey.

And this confuses a lot of people that have a narrow minded definition of what a "skilled" player should look like in the modern day NHL. Brady is a unicorn from a past age in todays game in a lot of ways. Like he was the template for a perfect winger like 25 years ago - like a Brendan Shanahan (or Big Walt lol) type of player.
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Ya, he's like his father. I wouldn't say that is so unexpected or unusual. I guess it could have been surprising for a few people (i.e., minority versus a majority).
 
Diatonic said:
Ya, he's like his father. I wouldn't say that is so unexpected or unusual. I guess it could have been surprising for a few people (i.e., minority versus a majority).
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I'm surprised that he's playing at a PPG offensive level.

I was expecting 55-65 points a season plus physical play, leadership, fighting, intangeables, what have you.

League scoring going up has helped, but he's outstripped my expectations. Maybe they were too modest, I don't know.

I do know that I wanted Zadina (the goal scorer) over Tkachuk (Curtis Lazar 2.0) so I'm probably not the best equipped to assess his value.
 
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NyQuil said:
I'm surprised that he's playing at a PPG offensive level.

I was expecting 55-65 points a season plus physical play, leadership, fighting, intangeables, what have you.

League scoring going up has helped, but he's outstripped my expectations. Maybe they were too modest, I don't know.

I do know that I wanted Zadina (the goal scorer) over Tkachuk (Curtis Lazar 2.0) so I'm probably not the best equipped to assess his value.
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Maybe he is just developing and getting better as he grows older, gets stronger, and gains experience? Maybe I wasn't as dialed into that year's draft as others were. Two other players who I think will continue to get better (assuming no injury setbacks) are Stutzle & Sanderson. I think they will grow and improve in the same way Brady has.
 
Diatonic said:
Maybe he is just developing and getting better as he grows older, gets stronger, and gains experience? Maybe I wasn't as dialed into that year's draft as others were. Two other players who I think will continue to get better (assuming no injury setbacks) are Stutzle & Sanderson. I think they will grow and improve in the same way Brady has.
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There's that sort of traditional view that power forwards take longer to hit their stride.

If that's the case, it certainly holds with Tkachuk, although looking at it with more scrutiny, that PP has a lot of talent on it (both imported (Giroux, DeBrincat) and developed (Stutzle, Batherson)), and Brady is benefitting from that offensive talent infusion relative to his first few years.

It would be interesting to consider if the situation had been reversed - how his production would look if he'd had that kind of support starting out, only to lose it now while he's entering his prime.

Is it the more offensive team or is it his own capabilities? Realistically it's a bit of both.

With respect to the eye test, he may not be smooth but he's undeniably effective offensively. He skates fast enough to get into open positions, he makes solid passes and stick handles around the odd opponent, he can shoot, and he can gobble up rebounds and tip pucks.

He reminds me a bit of Heatley with us, where he never really looked like the most highly skilled guy on the team but piled up points nonetheless.
 
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NyQuil said:
There's that sort of traditional view that power forwards take longer to hit their stride.

If that's the case, it certainly holds with Tkachuk, although looking at it with more scrutiny, that PP has a lot of talent on it (both imported (Giroux, DeBrincat) and developed (Stutzle, Batherson), and Brady is benefitting from that offensive talent infusion relative to his first few years.

It would be interesting to consider if the situation had been reversed - how his production would look if he'd had that kind of support starting out, only to lose it now while he's entering his prime.

Is it the more offensive team or is it his own capabilities? Realistically it's a bit of both.

With respect to the eye test, he may not be smooth but he's undeniably effective offensively. He skates fast enough to get into open positions, he makes solid passes and stick handles around the odd opponent, he can shoot, and he can gobble up rebounds and tip pucks.

He reminds me a bit of Heatley with us, where he never really looked like the most highly skilled guy on the team but piled up points nonetheless.
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His skating has improved tremendously since he entered the league, so has his shot. The breakaway goal against new York the other night probably isn't one he gets two years ago. Probably isn't one he tries
 
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I wonder if he's miscast as a Anders Lee/Patric Hornqvist/Holmstrom type (park in front of the net, score from up close) where he's more of a Lucic/Kreider (but slower) type (bowl opponents over, score from the dot). I'm more impressed by his shot from mid-distance than by his hands up close.
 
NyQuil said:
From a cap perspective, if you can get a guy making a positive contribution in the top six while paying him a bottom six salary, that's a win.

No one thinks that Brendan Morrison or Zach Hyman are top line talents, but if you get the right fit, and the line works, who cares?
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Both very good players
 
Sens of Anarchy said:
Both very good players
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Eh, Morrison was definitely a big step down from Naslund and Bertuzzi. He’s more of a top six guy as opposed to centering one of the most dominant lines in the league guy.

For most of those years the Canucks could have used an upgrade on him to push him down, and a step up in goaltending. Still a great team all together, loved watching them.
 
Ice-Tray said:
Eh, Morrison was definitely a big step down from Naslund and Bertuzzi. He’s more of a top six guy as opposed to centering one of the most dominant lines in the league guy.

For most of those years the Canucks could have used an upgrade on him to push him down, and a step up in goaltending. Still a great team all together, loved watching them.
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Not arguing that ... You don't think he was "a very good player"... I do
 
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