Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[BondraTime]

Ok, so in the context of the conversation unknown miscarriages have no bearing, nobody is grieving an unknown miscarriages, nobody knows about them so you wouldn't "realize most couples experience them" either.

Just feels like you're scrambling to support the claim that dealing with a miscarriage is a regular occurrence for most couples which frankly seems way off, both in terms of anecdotally and in terms of what the evidence supports.

It's ridiculously callous

 

[Golden_Jet]

"About 10 to 20 percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. But the actual number is likely higher because many miscarriages occur very early in pregnancy — before you might even know about a pregnancy."

Keep in mind, that 10-20% is not 10-20% of couples...but of pregnancies. And if the number is likely higher, then a couple who has 3 kids is likely to have had 1 miscarriage, statistically.

You said most people deal with miscarriages, and that was shown to be wrong.

 

[jbeck5]

You said most people deal with miscarriages, and that was shown to be wrong.

I should have said many...as in its not rare.

Ok, so in the context of the conversation unknown miscarriages have no bearing, nobody is grieving an unknown miscarriages, nobody knows about them so you wouldn't "realize most couples experience them" either.

Just feels like you're scrambling to support the claim that dealing with a miscarriage is a regular occurrence for most couples which frankly seems way off, both in terms of anecdotally and in terms of what the evidence supports.

I didn't mean to say it was a regular occurrence for everyone, but that it's not very rare. Many people deal with it.

As in its not an excuse for suspect leadership. It would be a reason. But either way, it would still be suspect leadership.

 

[jbeck5]

It's ridiculously callous

Lol no it's not. Calm down.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Lol no it's not. Calm down.

Even if 100% of couples experienced miscarriages, it would still be a devastating event. 99% of us will experience the death of a parent, doesn't mean it won't have an impact on the quality of your work.

 

[jbeck5]

Even if 100% of couples experienced miscarriages, it would still be a devastating event. 99% of us will experience the death of a parent, doesn't mean it won't have an impact on the quality of your work.

Sure, there are a lot of things that can effect your work. Everyone is dealing with things you know nothing about. That's why using what you or someone else is going through as an excuse isn't fair. Others can be going through worse and be even more hurt by it, but aren't letting it effect their dealings with others.

Once you realize everyone could be going through something worse than you at this very moment, it makes you realize it matters less about what you're going through, but more so how you can pull together and still be good.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Sure, there are a lot of things that can effect your work. Everyone is dealing with things you know nothing about. That's why using what you or someone else is going through as an excuse isn't fair. Others can be going through worse and be even more hurt by it, but aren't letting it effect their dealings with others.

Once you realize everyone could be going through something worse than you at this very moment, it makes you realize it matters less about what you're going through, but more so how you can pull together and still be good.

This is ass-backward. "Others might have it worse" doesn't lessen the pain or the burden. This isn't the trauma Olympics here.

 

[bert]

What's this have to do with Brady? Did I miss something?

I am personally very happy with the player. He is incredibly unique, very happy he is the captain of this team. He is absolutely not the problem right now.

 

[Golden_Jet]

What's this have to do with Brady? Did I miss something?

I am personally very happy with the player. He is incredibly unique, very happy he is the captain of this team. He is absolutely not the problem right now.

Ya good call.

 

[Micklebot]

What's this have to do with Brady? Did I miss something?

I am personally very happy with the player. He is incredibly unique, very happy he is the captain of this team. He is absolutely not the problem right now.

I think it started with a comparison of Karlsson as a leader to Brady as a leader and then how things fell apart under Karlsson got brought up...

In the end, I'm not going to speculate on how Brady would have reacted in similar circumstances so idk how any of it advances the discussion.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I thought I missed something too. I thought Brady's fiance had a miscarriage.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Lol no it's not. Calm down.

Everybody's parents die.

I don't get why people get sad about it.

 

[jbeck5]

This is ass-backward. "Others might have it worse" doesn't lessen the pain or the burden. This isn't the trauma Olympics here.

That's not what I'm saying.

Im saying those are poor excuses for poor behaviour.

It's like when people make excuses for poor behaviour because they have depression...or anxiety. Or someone who becomes a huge dick because they have cancer.

Go watch the show "afterlife". Ricky Gervais character loses his wife and is depressed so he's a huge asshole to everyone. I'm saying I think it's a poor excuse when people use negative events occuring to someone as an ok for their poor behaviour. Everyone goes through shit. Doesn't mean it's ok to be a dick.

That's kind of my mentality.

Now I'm not even saying he was a dick or a poor leader or anything. I'm saying that those excuses are poor or invalid.

Everybody's parents die.

I don't get why people get sad about it.

They're allowed.

A better example would be:

"Everyone's parents die. I don't think his mom passing gives him a pass for being an asshole to everyone"

 

[Golden_Jet]

Everybody's parents die.

I don't get why people get sad about it.

Lol

 

[bicboi64]

2 OTG, and 5GWG on the season.

Captain Tkachuk? More like Captain Clutch

 

[coladin]

Here's all you need to know about the EK Hoffman drama. The first time they met in an environment where one could beat the snot out of the other without being charged with assault, it was Hoffman looking to initiate a fight to defend his honour against EK's allegations not EK looking to initiate a fight to defend having been wronged.

That to me tells the entire story

When someone is unstable, best to leave them be. If I were in the Karlsson's situation, I would not have negaged people who you think are whack. Like what Bill Burr said about Lance Armstrong on Conan..."Just keep him on the bike"

 

[CorrectOpinion]

Pretty much. The fact that they sat back after all the damage to the Hoffman’s was done, didn’t bother to either show the proof that they had to support their claims, or step up and admit that maybe they made a mistake, tells me a lot about the situation as well. In the end one side was vilified and run out of town with zero evidence brought forth.

The fact that this became a huge lockerroom issue to begin with, again, with full denials and zero evidence, speaks for itself in my opinion.

I feel like this is pretty objective.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Here's all you need to know about the EK Hoffman drama. The first time they met in an environment where one could beat the snot out of the other without being charged with assault, it was Hoffman looking to initiate a fight to defend his honour against EK's allegations not EK looking to initiate a fight to defend having been wronged.

That to me tells the entire story

One of the stranger things I've read in a while.

 

[JD1]

One of the stranger things I've read in a while.

Strange in what way?

You've got a guy accuses another guy of being involved in some pretty terrible things being done to his wife

So who wants to initiate what?

The accused or the accuser?

It says a lot, at least to me.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Strange in what way?

You've got a guy accuses another guy of being involved in some pretty terrible things being done to his wife

So who wants to initiate what?

The accused or the accuser?

It says a lot, at least to me.

Strange that the assumption is that if EK and his wife were actually wronged the logical response would be anger and violence.

If what allegedly happened to EK happened to me I'd do my best to forget that Mike Hoffman ever existed.

Different strokes I suppose.

 

[JD1]

Strange that the assumption is that if EK and his wife were actually wronged the logical response would be anger and violence.

If what allegedly happened to EK happened to me I'd do my best to forget that Mike Hoffman ever existed.

Different strokes I suppose.

Yes, different strokes for different folks.

You're a lawyer. You're probably mire used to settling your differences with words.

EK and Hoffman are pro athletes that have displayed jacked up masculinity for 15 years. One guy has been wronged. And one guy has been accused of being the instigator of the wrong doing.

Pardon the pun but they're in an arena where being charged with assault isn't on the table and violence in the form of fist fights is common if not encouraged

And who initiated what tells me something

Maybe that's just me though...different folks for different folks

 

[Ice-Tray]

EK already had the Hoffmans run out of town without having to prove any allegations, actually refusing to when pressed, and yet never conceding that they may have been wrong in their accusations. He doesn’t need to fight him, in the end it’s him who wronged Mike with a crushing social blow.

No wonder Mike went after him and not the other way around.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I like discussions on hockey related topics, especially those that have social
Implications. I find them interesting, nothing more sinister than that.

Looking at how you post these days about EK, I think it’s pretty obvious that you weren’t looking to broaden your perspectives on your hero in his heyday here, come now.

I think EK did a shitty thing to Hoffman, and once all of the details came out and it became less and less likely that it was her, they decided to turn the page and move on and stay silent while the Hoffman’s continued to try to publicly and legally defend themselves, received death threats and railroaded out of town for the incident.

It definitely changed how I viewed EK as the captain of the team and a person at the end, and along with the ensuing collapse of the lockerroom and team, it was a sad way to end a legacy here in my opinion. It doesn’t mean I didn’t enjoy the journey, or that I have personal animosity or even dislike towards the man.

I see that you’re tripling down on your weak jabs, it’s like a dog with a bone.

oh yea you're the one bringing this up 5 years after it happened in a brady thread and im the dog with a bone.

 

[bicboi64]

I like discussions on hockey related topics, especially those that have social
Implications. I find them interesting, nothing more sinister than that.

Looking at how you post these days about EK, I think it’s pretty obvious that you weren’t looking to broaden your perspectives on your hero in his heyday here, come now.

I think EK did a shitty thing to Hoffman, and once all of the details came out and it became less and less likely that it was her, they decided to turn the page and move on and stay silent while the Hoffman’s continued to try to publicly and legally defend themselves, received death threats and railroaded out of town for the incident.

It definitely changed how I viewed EK as the captain of the team and a person at the end, and along with the ensuing collapse of the lockerroom and team, it was a sad way to end a legacy here in my opinion. It doesn’t mean I didn’t enjoy the journey, or that I have personal animosity or even dislike towards the man.

I see that you’re tripling down on your weak jabs, it’s like a dog with a bone.

That's the thing, you're not much different from Agent Zub when it comes to trying to broaden your perspectives on a situation. You're not exactly open to the notion that EK didn't do anything wrong.

As the details come out, it is not definitive that its less and less likely that Hoffman's gf was innocent. Only way to prove it was her was to link an IP address to Hoff's gf, which is incredibly different to do. There's numerous statements that show her to be an irrational person who had a childish dislike of EK's wife. But no one can prove anything, it's a he-said-she-said situation.

The only definitive thing anyone can say was that it was an incredibly shitty situation and that we don't know exactly what happened. Based on that it doesn't make sense to question either Hoff's or EK character/leadership. I don't, I'm not sure if other posters do, but you've made it clear that you question EK as a person even though we don't know what happened.

 

[Ice-Tray]

oh yea you're the one bringing this up 5 years after it happened in a brady thread and im the dog with a bone.

Well, it kept you from posting a single weird hot take about Brady…. Silver linings