Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[OD99]

Pretty sure we have seen the team as badly and worse many times prior to these last 2 games.

To imagine it had to do with a night out 3 days before the game is ridiculous. These guys barely get any time off during the season and I am happy they went out and enjoyed themselves. They deserved the mental break and are certainly better off for it, not worse.

 

[bicboi64]

It's like saying Dick Tarnstrom was a great NHLer because he led his tanking team in scoring as a defenceman.

Dick Tarnstrom, that is probably the best name I've ever heard of

 

[Adrianopolous]

I miss having a captain like Alfredsson or Karlsson, they were about their business. Brady is too young and immature. His whole "good vibes act" is really getting old.

 

[Tuna99]

Brady won’t be at his best until he has a coach that’ll challenge him to not be lazy in the D zone and a hero in the O zone

Ottawa won’t become an elite team unless (or until) Brady takes his 2 way hockey seriously and starts to play to win

 

[Ice-Tray]

I miss having a captain like Alfredsson or Karlsson, they were about their business. Brady is too young and immature. His whole "good vibes act" is really getting old.

I also love romanticizing past players in roles.

 

[Adrianopolous]

I also love romanticizing past players in roles.

Both of those guys brought 10x more success to the team than Brady has, so please put some respect on their names.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Brady won’t be at his best until he has a coach that’ll challenge him to not be lazy in the D zone and a hero in the O zone

Ottawa won’t become an elite team unless (or until) Brady takes his 2 way hockey seriously and starts to play to win

Norris: improved defensively under DJ.
Stutzle: improved defensively under DJ.
Sanderson: developing really well under DJ.
Brady: needs a coach to challenge him to be better.

It's almost comical how easily some of you let these guys off the hook for their negative qualities.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Both of those guys brought 10x more success to the team than Brady has, so please put some respect on their names.

I’m not star struck, sorry, but you can continue to put dudes on a pedestal at your leisure.

EK isn’t in the same category of ‘captain’ as Alfie, in fact he’s not remotely revered as such. They shouldn’t be lumped together in that regard. Alfie is a Mark Messier award winner, EK not so much. Alfie was highly talented but worked his ass off to get where he got. He was a league wide shining example of team leadership by the time he retired.

EK is deservedly loved and remembered as a singular talent at the game of hockey, which is his claim to fame and the source of his personal success, and the limited team success, during his tenure. He quite simply was the best player in the ice most nights and created wins on the strength of his vast hockey talent.

Brady is 23 and is a new young captain and is doing a good job in the role so far. We can compare the relative success they brought later in Brady’s career. We should all be hoping that Brady ushers in the highest level of team success, or this will be a failed rebuild.

Brady will have to excel as a captain, and drive the team to success to match Alfie’s legend, EK’s not so much. Conversely, no matter how hard he works he will not be able to match EK’s talent influence on the team. It’s a lot to ask of a young player regardless.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I’m not star struck, sorry, but you can continue to put dudes on a pedestal at your leisure.

EK isn’t in the same category of ‘captain’ as Alfie, in fact he’s not remotely revered as such. They shouldn’t be lumped together in that regard. Alfie is a Mark Messier award winner, EK not so much. Alfie was highly talented but worked his ass off to get where he got. He was a league wide shining example of team leadership by the time he retired.

EK is deservedly loved and remembered as a singular talent at the game of hockey, which is his claim to fame and the source of his personal success, and the limited team success, during his tenure. He quite simply was the best player in the ice most nights and created wins on the strength of his vast hockey talent.

Brady is 23 and is a new young captain and is doing a good job in the role so far. We can compare the relative success they brought later in Brady’s career. We should all be hoping that Brady ushers in the highest level of team success, or this will be a failed rebuild.

Brady will have to excel as a captain, and drive the team to success to match Alfie’s legend, EK’s not so much. Conversely, no matter how hard he works he will not be able to match EK’s talent influence on the team. It’s a lot to ask of a young player regardless.

Totally EK is not the same caliber as Alfredsson who was the rarest of breeds.

But one thing is for certain, Brady isn't close to the caliber of captain either Alfredsson or Karlsson were.

Those guys were generals and led by example. Brady not so much.

Brady's leadership style is basically being likeable off the ice and having the last name Tkachuk.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Totally EK is not the same caliber as Alfredsson who was the rarest of breeds.

But one thing is for certain, Brady isn't close to the caliber of captain either Alfredsson or Karlsson were.

Those guys were generals and led by example. Brady not so much.

Brady's leadership style is basically being likeable off the ice and having the last name Tkachuk.

Don’t make me laugh, EK wasn’t a ‘caliber of captain’ he was a generational talent who happened to be captain. He was given the honour because he was the team’s best player.

Lol at EK led by example. EK did what he wanted on the ice, and by the end practices when he wanted. He also tore his own locker room apart. He was leader because he was the best player, which is how lots of captains are chosen so there is that.

Being a better captain than EK will be easy enough for Brady. Being a better player is unattainable. Being a captain of Alfie’s caliber would be a career long challenge.

This will be the last time I engage in any conversations with you about Brady, or any topic that puts a euro player against an NA player for that matter. You’re THAT guy.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Agreed. Brady is definately overcompensating with the off ice "I want to be likeable" antics. Just produce and lead the team bro no one cares about that other stuff.

Or he is just a kid who wants to go to a bar and party.

Any kid in his early 20s would be doing the same.

 

[bicboi64]

Totally EK is not the same caliber as Alfredsson who was the rarest of breeds.

But one thing is for certain, Brady isn't close to the caliber of captain either Alfredsson or Karlsson were.

Those guys were generals and led by example. Brady not so much.

Brady's leadership style is basically being likeable off the ice and having the last name Tkachuk.

While I agree with your post, Brady hasn't been in a position to show what kind of leader he can be. So far he's dealing with a gm that isn't smart enough to acquire what the team needs, a coach who can only coach special teams, and a roster full of injuries.

I definitely fault him for not backchecking, as a player but as a leader. He should be the first to show effort in an area that the team sucks at.

Everyone saying Brady is a young dude who deserves to have fun, there are responsibilities that come along with being a captain for a hockey team, especially one that needs wins considering the shite few years we've had.

Instead of seeing so much social media of Brady having fun with the lads or doing photo ops with the kids, it'd be nice to see more posts about his work ethic and what he's doing to help the team aside from team bonding.

This teams leader right now is Giroux, he's the only player who's performing at every level of the game and we better hope the rest of the lads model their behaviour off what he's doing.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Makes me laugh, all this talk of responsibility, as though having a night out to blow off some steam is the cause of our woes in any way.

So if I’m getting this right, Brady is bad leader for having fun with teammates on days off as a young captain of a rebuilding team, while EK is a good leader for brining outside drama into the lockeroom and then obliterating the room over said drama as a veteran captain of a playoff team.

Cool cool cool….

In my opinion interacting with fans in the community is incredibly important and interesting, while posts about work ethic and working out are boring. His social media account has zero to do with helping the team on ice, that’s a weird take.

 

[bicboi64]

Makes me laugh, all this talk of responsibility, as though having a night out to blow off some steam is the cause of our woes in any way.

So if I’m getting this right, Brady is bad leader for having fun with teammates on days off as a young captain of a rebuilding team, while EK is a good leader for brining outside drama into the lockeroom and then obliterating the room over said drama as a veteran captain of a playoff team.

Cool cool cool….

In my opinion interacting with fans in the community is incredibly important and interesting, while posts about work ethic and working out are boring. His social media account has zero to do with helping the team on ice, that’s a weird take.

EK literally had one of the most unprecedented situations in NHL history. The trauma of dealing with a miscarriage + online harassment that may have been from a teammates partner. I'd be shocked if there was a captain alive that could deal with that at all. Why are you reducing someone's trauma and experience of harassment as just drama? And no, as I've argued before with you and you acknowledged, Karlsson is a good leader for several reasons, including being praised by his peers and NHL legends.

You're making a false equivalency, I never said our captain having a night off is the reason the Sens are losing hockey games. I said its a symptom of poor leadership in the context of Brady is the captain of an NHL franchise. A rebuilding team needs to have discipline a lot more than it needs to have social media presence. We need wins a lot more than we need social media appearances and wins will put more butts in seats as well.

 

[Ice-Tray]

EK literally had one of the most unprecedented situations in NHL history. The trauma of dealing with a miscarriage + online harassment that may have been from a teammates partner. I'd be shocked if there was a captain alive that could deal with that at all. Why are you reducing someone's trauma and experience of harassment as just drama?

You're making a false equivalency, I never said our captain having a night off is the reason the Sens are losing hockey games. I said its a symptom of poor leadership in the context of Brady is the captain of an NHL franchise. A rebuilding team needs to have discipline a lot more than it needs to have social media presence. We need wins a lot more than we need social media appearances and wins will put more butts in seats as well.

Give me a break. Miscarriages are difficult situations, no doubt, but they are far from unprecedented. Unverifiable internet bullying is terrible, but you’d be wrong to think that every other captain would bring it into the room, especially when the other person and their partner have been publicly and consistently vehemently denying it.

The fact that you think this is the most unprecedented situations in the history of the NHL leads me to believe that you are either very young or extremely sheltered. The only unprecedented bit was how shitty it was dealt with.

No, it was selfish and petulant to do when you are a multimillion dollar player responsible to the well-being of the team you lead. You guys crack me up with the excuses you’re willing to make for celebrities when regular people deal with these kinds of ‘traumas’ with dignity every day.

I wasn’t making false equivalency, I was pointing out how ridiculous the two behaviours sounds when out side by side.

I think your take on leadership is a stretch. You seem to think that since the captain has a social media presence, that it means that he doesn’t also hold teammates accountable for on ice play.

 

[bicboi64]

Give me a break. Miscarriages are difficult situations, no doubt, but they are far from unprecedented. Unverifiable internet bullying is terrible, but you’d be wrong to think that every other captain would bring it into the room, especially when the other person and their partner have been publicly and consistently vehemently denying it.

No, it was selfish and petulant to do when you are a multimillion dollar player responsible to the well-being of the team you lead. You guys crack me up with the excuses you’re willing to make for celebrities when regular people deal with these kinds of ‘traumas’ with dignity every day.

I wasn’t making false equivalency, I was pointing out how ridiculous the two behaviours sounds when out side by side.

I think your take on leadership is a stretch. You seem to think that since the captain has a social media presence, that it means that he doesn’t also hold teammates accountable for on ice play.

Its ridiculous that you think it's you're place to decide how difficult a miscarriage is for someone and how it should be dealt with dignity (whatever the fudge that means). If the Karlsson's say it's traumatic, then its traumatic for them, end of discussion. Show some godamn empathy for people geez.

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that demonstrates that EK did anything to "break" the room a part. Evidence from the court proceedings already show how Hoffman's partner was someone that wasn't particularly liked and that other partners of players told her to stop trying to communicate with the Karlssons (before and after the allegations became public), if there's an outlier, its there, not with EK. There's quotes of Craig Anderson saying he was happy the situation was done and over with, but you stating EK broke the room a part is your interpretation, no body else's.

So if I’m getting this right, Brady is bad leader for having fun with teammates on days off as a young captain of a rebuilding team, while EK is a good leader for brining outside drama into the lockeroom and then obliterating the room over said drama as a veteran captain of a playoff team.

This is literally a false equivalency. I never argued this and your attempt at thinking.

Ice-tray, we've had this discussion before and we can pull receipt up if you'd like. You've made claims in the past that EK is a bad leader using metrics like "his peers don't praise him enough like Brady", and this has been called out and shown as false by me and other posters. You never handle any criticism of Tkachuk with any poise and often leave out of convo's after being shown how out of touch you are with "I guess we'll agree to disagree, this is my last post"

We get it, you don't like critiques of the captain, but let the people who want to discuss all the aspects of his game and role as a leader do so without constantly having to see your nonsensical rants about EK.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Its ridiculous that you think it's you're place to decide how difficult a miscarriage is for someone and how it should be dealt with dignity (whatever the fudge that means). If the Karlsson's say it's traumatic, then its traumatic for them, end of discussion. Show some godamn empathy for people geez.

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that demonstrates that EK did anything to "break" the room a part. Evidence from the court proceedings already show how Hoffman's partner was someone that wasn't particularly liked and that other partners of players told her to stop trying to communicate with the Karlssons, if there's an outlier, its there, not with EK. There's quotes of Craig Anderson saying he was happy the situation was done and over with, but you stating EK broke the room a part is your interpretation, no body else's.



This is literally a false equivalency. I never argued this and your attempt at thinking.

Ice-tray, we've had this discussion before and we can pull receipt up if you'd like. You've made claims in the past that EK is a bad leader using metrics like "his peers don't praise him enough like Brady", and this has been called out and shown as false by me and other posters. You never handle any criticism of Tkachuk with any poise and often leave out of convo's after being shown how out of touch you are with "I guess we'll agree to disagree, this is my last post"

We get it, you don't like critiques of the captain, but let the people who want to discuss all the aspects of his game and role as a leader do so without constantly having to see your nonsensical rants about EK.

I am in a place to know, and know many more people who are as well, because as an adult in a relationship who knows other people including women, you get a pretty good take on these things because they are fairly common. Them being devastated is a given, but it’s not a free pass to behave the way EK did as a professional and captain of a pro team. But hey, you’re and EK fanboy so let’s go with your take!

Actually, it’s wasn’t shown to be false. People brought up quotes by players at the time who of course will say wonderful things like they do now with Brady (though no one ever said EK dragged anyone in battle etc, he lead on the ice as in was the best player doing best player things), and then used things like he was at Stone’s wedding, and Alfie likes him as evidence as well.

Thing is, when you watch interviews like the one on Wally and Meth with Ryan and they talk about EK, no one mentions leadership. You go back and look at what Burrows and Anderson had to say about the lockeroom situation, along with what Hoffman had to say, and none of that fits your story of great leader. Lack of leadership is the story.

You make it about me, but it’s you, the EK fanboy that can’t allow for some fans to see him as an amazing talent, and a joy to watch, but not the greatest leader who made a serious blunder in that regard. People bring in personal anecdotes and their panned, folks look at things like practices skipped both here and in SJ, or terrible defensive play to end his tenure with the Sens and again pan it because their glorious hero has to be perfect, not a flawed but amazing hockey player. The funny thing is that I like EK, and enjoyed him here like the rest, the difference is that I was disappointed in his role in our team being ripped apart. Simple minds always turn these things into a black and white situation.

I have been critical of Brady’s play as recently as yesterday, but that bit twirls around the bowl with the rest of your fanboy post here since you just make shit up or simply ignore things that don’t fort your hero worship.

In the end it’s a big fat whatever from me. It’s totally cool man, you’ve made a hero out of a hockey player, don’t let me take that from you lol.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Don’t make me laugh, EK wasn’t a ‘caliber of captain’ he was a generational talent who happened to be captain. He was given the honour because he was the team’s best player.

Lol at EK led by example. EK did what he wanted on the ice, and by the end practices when he wanted. He also tore his own locker room apart. He was leader because he was the best player, which is how lots of captains are chosen so there is that.

Being a better captain than EK will be easy enough for Brady. Being a better player is unattainable. Being a captain of Alfie’s caliber would be a career long challenge.

This will be the last time I engage in any conversations with you about Brady, or any topic that puts a euro player against an NA player for that matter. You’re THAT guy.

Oh yea, the only reason why I think Sandersson is our most valuable piece is because he's Swedish.

I am in a place to know, and know many more people who are as well, because as an adult in a relationship who knows other people including women, you get a pretty good take on these things because they are fairly common. Them being devastated is a given, but it’s not a free pass to behave the way EK did as a professional and captain of a pro team. But hey, you’re and EK fanboy so let’s go with your take!

Actually, it’s wasn’t shown to be false. People brought up quotes by players at the time who of course will say wonderful things like they do now with Brady (though no one ever said EK dragged anyone in battle etc, he lead on the ice as in was the best player doing best player things), and then used things like he was at Stone’s wedding, and Alfie likes him as evidence as well.

Thing is, when you watch interviews like the one on Wally and Meth with Ryan and they talk about EK, no one mentions leadership. You go back and look at what Burrows and Anderson had to say about the lockeroom situation, along with what Hoffman had to say, and none of that fits your story of great leader. Lack of leadership is the story.

You make it about me, but it’s you, the EK fanboy that can’t allow for some fans to see him as an amazing talent, and a joy to watch, but not the greatest leader who made a serious blunder in that regard. People bring in personal anecdotes and their panned, folks look at things like practices skipped both here and in SJ, or terrible defensive play to end his tenure with the Sens and again pan it because their glorious hero has to be perfect, not a flawed but amazing hockey player. The funny thing is that I like EK, and enjoyed him here like the rest, the difference is that I was disappointed in his role in our team being ripped apart. Simple minds always turn these things into a black and white situation.

I have been critical of Brady’s play as recently as yesterday, but that bit twirls around the bowl with the rest of your fanboy post here since you just make shit up or simply ignore things that don’t fort your hero worship.

In the end it’s a big fat whatever from me. It’s totally cool man, you’ve made a hero out of a hockey player, don’t let me take that from you lol.

The level of projection here is incredible.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Lol, you guys!

Consider this though since we’re on the subject.

We don’t know who was messaging EK’s wife, but we do know that Hoffman and his Fiancé denied it profusely and publicly even looking to find legal was to prove it.

Consider that after this was made public Hoffman’s fiancé was vilified, and the couple was run out of town immediately.

It was an all around shitty situation brought about by the captain of the team. It gets a wash because he’s peoples hero. Fans are always gonna find a way to fan, it’s why sportswashing is so easy

Oh yea, the only reason why I think Sandersson is our most valuable piece is because he's Swedish.




The level of projection here is incredible.

Oh yea, the only reason why I think Sandersson is our most valuable piece is because he's Swedish.




The level of projection here is incredible.

You and your hero worship! Cracks me up

 

[bicboi64]

I am in a place to know, and know many more people who are as well, because as an adult in a relationship who knows other people including women, you get a pretty good take on these things because they are fairly common. Them being devastated is a given, but it’s not a free pass to behave the way EK did as a professional and captain of a pro team. But hey, you’re and EK fanboy so let’s go with your take!

How you deal with something as messed up as a miscarriage is not how everyone will. Get that through your head. It is not your place to decide how one should act with "dignity" after suffering a miscarriage. You and I having partners, being adults in relationships, all of that doesn't mean we get to decide how much one suffers in that situation.

Actually, it’s wasn’t shown to be false. People brought up quotes by players at the time who of course will say wonderful things like they do now with Brady (though no one ever said EK dragged anyone in battle etc, he lead on the ice as in was the best player doing best player things), and then used things like he was at Stone’s wedding, and Alfie likes him as evidence as well.

Thing is, when you watch interviews like the one on Wally and Meth with Ryan and they talk about EK, no one mentions leadership. You go back and look at what Burrows and Anderson had to say about the lockeroom situation, along with what Hoffman had to say, and none of that fits your story of great leader. Lack of leadership is the story.

Wait a minute, no one brings up that EK hasn't dragged his team into battle? I wonder what on earth he did in 2017 or the nights he's playing 30+ minutes.

SWEDE SUCCESS: Karlsson pays his own tribute as Alfredsson goes into the Hall

SWEDE SUCCESS: Karlsson pays his own tribute as Alfredsson goes into the Hall

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The greatest Senator of all time said this “Erik, thank you for helping me extend my career, with the energy, enthusiasm and confidence and presence,” said Alfredsson.

The one and only Erik Karlsson

Erik Karlsson’s identity as a player and person bleed together, giving us one of the sport’s most dynamic and unique characters on and off the ice.

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“He’s been terrific to coach,” said Guy Boucher, who took over as Ottawa’s coach this season. “Since the summer we’ve had many talks together, and he’s been an unbelievable leader in all aspects. He’s been defending so hard. He’s on time. He takes young guys aside. Everything you hope for from a leader, he’s shown it. ”

"Karlsson will speak up if he sees something he doesn’t like, and teammates respect him for it, Methot said. It’s not that Karlsson always wears his emotions on his sleeve. It’s that, when he does feel emotion, he’s comfortable showing it"

Alfie, Ceci, Boro literally joined EK's Can't Dim My Light Foundation opening ceremony. Karlsson's peers and coaches literally thought he was a good leader. Not legendary like Messier or Yzerman, just that he was a good leader.

Anderson wants to stay with Senators but says he's 'too old for drama' | NHL.com

37-year-old goalie hopes Ottawa can put offseason turmoil to rest

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Anderson said the following ""If everything going on this summer gets cleaned up, I've got no interest in going anywhere else," the 37-year-old goalie said Sunday at the Stars & Stripes Showdown when asked about an offseason report that he had requested a trade from the Senators. "I'm too old for drama." I don't see how anyone interprets that as the whole situation was shitty, as oppose to Anderson thinks EK tore apart the locker room.

Burrows blames himself for not "doing something" about problems in Senators room

Alex Burrows says multiple factors left the Senators overcome by “negative energy” in their plunge to 30th place last season.

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Burrows said the following " “It’s not only one thing. It’s not only (owner) Eugene (Melnyk) or coaches or players … Karl,” said Burrows. “It seems like it was a lot of things that went on at the same time, and we didn’t really respond to it well. "I blame myself for it. I should have been maybe more proactive or found a way to … but that’s the way it is sometimes. It’s personal stuff you think they’re not going to expose, but later on you realize maybe you should have done something about it.” Exactly what makes you infer that Burrows thinks Karlsson single handedly tore the room a part from what Burrows said?

What on earth did Bobby Ryan say in his various appearances on the Meth and Wally show? I've listend to every one and at no point was there anything about EK dividing a room.

You seem to think pointing out that your rationale for EK being a bad leader as false equates to EK fanboy. If doing so helps you sleep at night and cheer for the team, have at it but its pathetic and stifles actual discussion in threads that aren't even about EK.

 

[bicboi64]

Lol, you guys!

Consider this though since we’re on the subject.

We don’t know who was messaging EK’s wife, but we do know that Hoffman and his Fiancé denied it profusely and publicly even looking to find legal was to prove it.

Consider that after this was made public Hoffman’s fiancé was vilified, and the couple was run out of town immediately.

It was an all around shitty situation brought about by the captain of the team. It gets a wash because he’s peoples hero. Fans are always gonna find a way to fan, it’s why sportswashing is so easy

Court records reveal how events unfolded before Karlsson-Hoffman dispute became public

Caryk also maintains in her factum that she has not been contacted for any Senators investigation into the allegations.

ottawacitizen.com

Look at the comments made by Hoffman's partner, and then responses by others.

"Caryk told the lawyer that “it sounds so stupid” but Karlsson had stopped liking her posts on Facebook and Instagram, and that Caryk was “left out from dinners” for wives and partners that Karlsson organized."

Camille Pageau, wife of Senator J.G. Pageau, sent Caryk a series of texts that evening saying she was “so upset” and “disturbed by all this.You hate Melinda and I don’t understand why you would want to do anything for her! In time (sic) like this being a hypocrite is even worst (sic)! Stay out of this.”

Caryk received an email from Winnik on March 20, accusing her of harassing and bullying Karlsson on social media. She also received an email from Kodette LaBarbera, the wife of former NHL goalie Jason LaBarbera, on March 21 accusing her of online bullying and an email from Hayley Thompson, girlfriend of Sens winger Mark Stone, suggesting that Caryk leave Karlsson alone.

I don't blame Hoffman or Karlsson, I think its just a shitty situation that involves spouses which just makes it even worse. But Hoffman's gf was clearly a pariah in this situation, and prior to it. For godsake, this is someone who is mentioning social media likes as a reason to thinking someone doesn't like them.

I'm amazed at how in a shitty situation where the public knows nothing definitive, you decide that Karlsson was the one that woke up and decided to divide the room.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

damn f***en lawyered.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Court records reveal how events unfolded before Karlsson-Hoffman dispute became public

Caryk also maintains in her factum that she has not been contacted for any Senators investigation into the allegations.

ottawacitizen.com

Look at the comments made by Hoffman's partner, and then responses by others.

"Caryk told the lawyer that “it sounds so stupid” but Karlsson had stopped liking her posts on Facebook and Instagram, and that Caryk was “left out from dinners” for wives and partners that Karlsson organized."

Camille Pageau, wife of Senator J.G. Pageau, sent Caryk a series of texts that evening saying she was “so upset” and “disturbed by all this.You hate Melinda and I don’t understand why you would want to do anything for her! In time (sic) like this being a hypocrite is even worst (sic)! Stay out of this.”

Caryk received an email from Winnik on March 20, accusing her of harassing and bullying Karlsson on social media. She also received an email from Kodette LaBarbera, the wife of former NHL goalie Jason LaBarbera, on March 21 accusing her of online bullying and an email from Hayley Thompson, girlfriend of Sens winger Mark Stone, suggesting that Caryk leave Karlsson alone.

I don't blame Hoffman or Karlsson, I think its just a shitty situation that involves spouses which just makes it even worse. But Hoffman's gf was clearly a pariah in this situation, and prior to it. For godsake, this is someone who is mentioning social media likes as a reason to thinking someone doesn't like them.

I'm amazed at how in a shitty situation where the public knows nothing definitive, you decide that Karlsson was the one that woke up and decided to divide the room.

Hahaha, yeah it’s all totally ridiculous. But it also doesn’t show any direct bullying now does it?

Jokes aside, you seem to have missed posting a few of the MORE relevant bits from the article, the bits that cast shade on the Karlssons’s actions conveniently. Perhaps they didn’t suit you? Here, read this bit again:

“According to the factum, Caryk initiated legal proceedings because she says the Karlssons have yet to provide her, or Hoffman, any evidence as to why they believe she was the person behind the harassment campaign.

“The public nature of these allegations against Ms. Caryk have caused grave damage to Ms. Caryk’s reputation and her well-being, even threatening her safety,” according to the factum.

The protection order application was never served to Caryk or tested in court and no order was made. Ottawa police began a criminal harassment investigation into the allegations, but to date, no criminal charges have been laid against Caryk.

Caryk has not only repeatedly denied harassing Karlsson to this newspaper, she has also done so while under oath in a court filing and deposition.”

She wasn’t liked by those wives you referenced, though none of them seem to be doing more than defending EK’s wife rather than having any first hand knowledge or proof. They sound a lot more like supportive friends. You’ll recall that I was talking about her reputation you know, the public fall out for her, followed by her fiancé having to be traded based on how things escalated in the locker room. You seem to lack any empathy or consideration for the potential personal damage cause directly by these very public, but never proven (even when asked to by the accused) allegations.

EK didn’t likely decide to blow up the room one day, he simply came into work and did it one day or over several days. It may suck to come to grips with that, but it’s what happened. I mean, we very much do know that the divide caused the split and breakdown of the room, you just seem very apologetic about the fallout and the reasoning.

damn f***en lawyered.

Go read the article, and try again.

For anyone actually interested, here’s an article about Hoffman after the trade, with some opinions on him and his fiancé just to perhaps even the record a bit.

Mike Hoffman says he wasn't bad dressing-room guy in Ottawa, look forward to life as a Florida Panther

When the Ottawa Senators traded Erik Karlsson to San Jose, one of the conditions of the agreement was that the Sharks couldn’t turn around and send him to a team in…

torontosun.com

 

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Hahaha, yeah it’s all totally ridiculous. But it also doesn’t show any direct bullying now does it?

Jokes aside, you seem to have missed posting a few of the MORE relevant bits from the article, the bits that cast shade on the Karlssons’s actions conveniently. Perhaps they didn’t suit you? Here, read this bit again:

“According to the factum, Caryk initiated legal proceedings because she says the Karlssons have yet to provide her, or Hoffman, any evidence as to why they believe she was the person behind the harassment campaign.

“The public nature of these allegations against Ms. Caryk have caused grave damage to Ms. Caryk’s reputation and her well-being, even threatening her safety,” according to the factum.

The protection order application was never served to Caryk or tested in court and no order was made. Ottawa police began a criminal harassment investigation into the allegations, but to date, no criminal charges have been laid against Caryk.

Caryk has not only repeatedly denied harassing Karlsson to this newspaper, she has also done so while under oath in a court filing and deposition.”

She wasn’t liked by those wives you referenced, though none of them seem to be doing more than defending EK’s wife rather than having any first hand knowledge or proof. They sound a lot more like supportive friends. You’ll recall that I was talking about her reputation you know, the public fall out for her, followed by her fiancé having to be traded based on how things escalated in the locker room. You seem to lack any empathy or consideration for the potential personal damage cause directly by these very public, but never proven (even when asked to by the accused) allegations.

EK didn’t likely decide to blow up the room one day, he simply came into work and did it one day or over several days. It may suck to come to grips with that, but it’s what happened. I mean, we very much do know that the divide caused the split and breakdown of the room, you just seem very apologetic about the fallout and the reasoning.

The Karlssons are the ones that have an opportunity to lay criminal charges. I don't know what was going on in their minds and would only guess they wanted the situation to be done and over with. They had no evidence considering that the IP address of the harassing posts was not linked to Caryk, but Caryk admitted to using that site mentioned in the investigation as a place where partners of athletes frequent. The extent to which one would have to dig to find said evidence would simply be difficult to achieve.

You can choose to interpret the various partners defending their friend, but it's also indicative of Caryk being an outsider who had hostility towards EK's wife and had little tact. This is a woman who was upset over social media likes. The Hoffman family did suffer in reputation, and guess what, Hoffman still got to play hockey in Florida where his partner is a lot more unknown compared to Ottawa and her employment as a travel agent and promotoer has yet to be affected by the situation.

Its hypocritical of you to bring up the word empathy in this discussion. You've shown zero consideration for a couple that experienced a miscarriage and think there's some standard dignified way to act after a miscarriage. I hope no one around you suffers anything they perceive as traumatic, especially if you think there are one size fits all ways that every difficult situation should be dealt with.

Its okay if you think EK walked into the room one day and started cussing everyone around him out, especially if you live in fiction and can't accept that he was a good leader. Its okay fans of Brady to want him to become as good as a leader as Karlsson

 

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@Ice-Tray Nice that you know the exact right way to act and process emotion after not only losing a child but being harassed about it afterwards.

Rest of us are mere humans.

Also that stuff didn't really break the team. What broke the team was Dorion being a terrible GM and Melnyk a terrible owner.