Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[redbrick98]

Honestly wouldn't be opposed to stripping the C off his jersey.

Leaders don't parade around town in the off-season inebriated claiming they're going to win the Stanley cup and then proceed to put in this disaster of a season.

Really believe he was thrust into the captaincy too young, he's got some maturing to do

 

[Answer]

Trading Stutzle is just right out stupid

Also, trading Tkachuk will not end up any better than Stone, Spezza, Duchene, Karlsson trades. Well in Karlsson case we got extremely lucky. Teams will try to low blow us and pretty much offer us prospects and picks, and I am not down with that anymore.

 

[bicboi64]

Honestly wouldn't be opposed to stripping the C off his jersey.

Leaders don't parade around town in the off-season inebriated claiming they're going to win the Stanley cup and then proceed to put in this disaster of a season.

Really believe he was thrust into the captaincy too young, he's got some maturing to do

Not sure we can do that. Assuming him having the C is a problem, I doubt he's mature enough to handle the situation and not ask for a trade. When it comes to having Tkachuk on the roster, I think it'll be as C or he doesn't play here

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Stripping the C from Tkachuk could make sense if there was someone else in the organization who really, clearly, blatantly deserved it.

No such player, unfortunately.

G is far more likely to be dealt this offseason than be given the C, and probably as likely to be dealt as he is likely to re-sign.

 

[bicboi64]

Stripping the C from Tkachuk could make sense if there was someone else in the organization who really, clearly, blatantly deserved it.

No such player, unfortunately.

G is far more likely to be dealt this offseason than be given the C, and probably as likely to be dealt as he is likely to re-sign.

I don't think we're trading Giroux unless he asks for it. He came here for family reasons, not sure he'd want to leave after that. If he wants to extend, he'd be the perfect candidate (should've been him selected this year).

 

[TonySoprano11]

Stripping the C from Tkachuk could make sense if there was someone else in the organization who really, clearly, blatantly deserved it.

No such player, unfortunately.

G is far more likely to be dealt this offseason than be given the C, and probably as likely to be dealt as he is likely to re-sign.

He signed here so he can move his family back home as he winds down his career. No way he is going to want to play in some other city or move his family again for a couple years somewhere else. Giroux isn't going anywhere, and should be the one wearing the C.

 

[redbrick98]

Not sure we can do that. Assuming him having the C is a problem, I doubt he's mature enough to handle the situation and not ask for a trade. When it comes to having Tkachuk on the roster, I think it'll be as C or he doesn't play here

I'd honestly give it to Giroux.

Brady is too immature to have it.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I'd honestly give it to Giroux.

Brady is too immature to have it.

You don’t strip the C from a guy because he is a young man doing young man things.

They gave him the C because he was the clear leader on the team with a ton of solid leadership qualities, and then they brought in G and Alfie as mentors to teach him how to grow into the roll.

The reality is that young leaders don’t start out mature, they don’t start out making all the savvy media sound bites, and they don’t start out knowing how to manage the role. They start with natural skills and fine tune them over time.

Crosby started out looking A LOT like Stu does, acted a lot like Stu does, but he had some excellent mentors along the way. Like Crosby, Brady is unquestionably the heart and soul of this team like it or not.

As Staios told everyone, we are building this team around Brady, this is not a player likely to be traded any time soon. Best hunker down.

 

[redbrick98]

You don’t strip the C from a guy because he is a young man doing young man things.

They gave him the C because he was the clear leader on the team with a ton of solid leadership qualities, and then they brought in G and Alfie as mentors to teach him how to grow into the roll.

The reality is that young leaders don’t start out mature, they don’t start out making all the savvy media sound bites, and they don’t start out knowing how to manage the role. They start with natural skills and fine tune them over time.

Crosby started out looking A LOT like Stu does, acted a lot like Stu does, but he had some excellent mentors along the way. Like Crosby, Brady is unquestionably the heart and soul of this team like it or not.

As Staios told everyone, we are building this team around Brady, this is not a player likely to be traded any time soon. Best hunker down.

I never said trade the guy.


But he's not ready for the C currently, he needs to mature.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

He signed here so he can move his family back home as he winds down his career. No way he is going to want to play in some other city or move his family again for a couple years somewhere else. Giroux isn't going anywhere, and should be the one wearing the C.

He also wanted to win.

I don't think we're trading Giroux unless he asks for it. He came here for family reasons, not sure he'd want to leave after that. If he wants to extend, he'd be the perfect candidate (should've been him selected this year).

No chance we trade Giroux unless he wants to chase a cup, I agree. But I can absolutely see him chasing a cup. A year or two in Florida, New York, Toronto, Dallas, Vancouver, Colorado, or Vegas isn't some cruel hell by any means.

 

[bert]

Honestly wouldn't be opposed to stripping the C off his jersey.

Leaders don't parade around town in the off-season inebriated claiming they're going to win the Stanley cup and then proceed to put in this disaster of a season.

Really believe he was thrust into the captaincy too young, he's got some maturing to do

He is not the problem. The other parts of the leadership group that have been here for a while are however. Tkachuk shows up every night, he can stay in the line up he sticks up for his teamates. Absurd concept. He cant play for the other players he is everything you want in a captain.

They strip the C and he is gone at pennies to the dollar. He needs more support not less from this organization. Time to shake up the other parts of the leadership core. More guys like Giroux to help.

I will add this, for a moment if you think his teammates dont like when he drops the mits to stick up for his teammates you've probably never been in a hockey dressing room. Even if its a bad trade off. guys LOVE THAT.

He also wanted to win.

No chance we trade Giroux unless he wants to chase a cup, I agree. But I can absolutely see him chasing a cup. A year or two in Florida, New York, Toronto, Dallas, Vancouver, Colorado, or Vegas isn't some cruel hell by any means.

Would only be a deadline deal and he probably comes back after. If they are out of it again next year I could see this happening. I think if they arent even competing for a playoff spot next year this thing could go nulcear. I am confident in this management group to do the right thing in the offseason. They likely know whats wrong at this point.

 

[Senscore]

Remember when Giroux was arrested for grabbing a cops ass on Canada Day a few years back?


He's no stranger to party behaviour either.

 

[Adrianopolous]

Remember when Giroux was arrested for grabbing a cops ass on Canada Day a few years back?


He's no stranger to party behaviour either.

That was 10 years ago not a few years back. Leave the guy alone

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

That was 10 years ago not a few years back. Leave the guy alone

No one's attacking or even criticizing Giroux, just pointing out a double standard in the criticism of Brady.

 

[bert]

Remember when Giroux was arrested for grabbing a cops ass on Canada Day a few years back?


He's no stranger to party behaviour either.

No one's attacking or even criticizing Giroux, just pointing out a double standard in the criticism of Brady.

How about everyone sticks to what they know. How players show up and compete night in and night out. If they are willing to play injured, if they can stay healthy. If they are leaving it all out there. Not taking short cuts or shifts off.

 

[bicboi64]

No one's attacking or even criticizing Giroux, just pointing out a double standard in the criticism of Brady.

If we had a 24 year old Giroux doing that here and we gave him the C after he sat out games for his contract, I'd be against him having the C as well.

 

[Senscore]

No one's attacking or even criticizing Giroux, just pointing out a double standard in the criticism of Brady.

Exactly. He was captain of the Flyers at the time.


But people didn't immediately throw that into question. Brady has done some things I prefer he wouldn't do and from time to time has shown immaturity sure.

But he's also been the one answering tough questions and sticking up for his teammates in the media. He's been active with the team's community initiatives, and in general has been a great ambassador off the ice.

Maybe things don't work out in the end but at this point stripping the C would not be the right move.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

How about everyone sticks to what they know. How players show up and compete night in and night out. If they are willing to play injured, if they can stay healthy. If they are leaving it all out there. Not taking short cuts or shifts off.

Sure but I think the point is that getting drunk and a little goofy in public once in a while doesn't have any bearing on that.

If we had a 24 year old Giroux doing that here and we gave him the C after he sat out games for his contract, I'd be against him having the C as well.

Ok, so you'd focus on a few very basic data points and reach a really bad conclusion on that basis lol

 

[bert]

Sure but I think the point is that getting drunk and a little goofy in public once in a while doesn't have any bearing on that.

Ok, so you'd focus on a few very basic data points and reach a really bad conclusion on that basis lol

I have news for everyone if they think the greats didnt get after it. You're all going to be very disappointed.

 

[bicboi64]

Ok, so you'd focus on a few very basic data points and reach a really bad conclusion on that basis lol

No, I'd pick a captain based on a lot more factors. I'd see if there are other vets around who don't draw that kind of attention aside from their exemplary standards on/off the ice. Even if its someone who isn't your best player.

I'd let young forwards who need time to improve their all-round game not have that pressure

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I have news for everyone if they think the greats didnt get after it. You're all going to be very disappointed.

Yeah I think that's the point they are making though. Giroux is just a good example because he's literally the guy who people want to strip Brady's C for.

No, I'd pick a captain based on a lot more factors. I'd see if there are other vets around who don't draw that kind of attention aside from their exemplary standards on/off the ice. Even if its someone who isn't your best player.

I'd let young forwards who need time to improve their all-round game not have that pressure

Ok, but you realize that your hypothetical conclusion (strip the C of Giroux) would be a foolish one, no?

You can have your basis, but we know for a fact that Giroux is a great, well-respected leader. We also know he got after it and almost got in trouble.

 

[bicboi64]

Yeah I think that's the point they are making though. Giroux is just a good example because he's literally the guy who people want to strip Brady's C for.


Ok, but you realize that your hypothetical conclusion (strip the C of Giroux) would be a foolish one, no?

You can have your basis, but we know for a fact that Giroux is a great, well-respected leader. We also know he got after it and almost got in trouble.

Absolutely not, you're not able to look at the body of a player's career and evaluate them.

Giroux since that incident, has had to deal with pressure, has performed on the ice, hasn't been in the media due to whining. He may have been a poor choice for a captain at the time, but guess what he's not that player anymore.

Tkachuk within the lat 6 months has shown in inability to handle the pressure. Tkachuk in 10 years might be the leader that Giroux is today, but he's not that right now. Right now he's just a young forward who hits, is willing to fight anyone but his brother, is mediocre defensively, and sat out for his contract. I'm comparing an NHL vet vs someone who isn't experienced and has been lauded due to his last name since college.

 

[Big Muddy]

Would only be a deadline deal and he probably comes back after. If they are out of it again next year I could see this happening. I think if they arent even competing for a playoff spot next year this thing could go nulcear. I am confident in this management group to do the right thing in the offseason. They likely know whats wrong at this point.

Something I wonder about is how much change is required? And, if those changes are made, how much of an improvement will we see?

For example, if we get a good, top 4 RD, a goalie and a new coach, how much improvement can we expect? That seems like a pretty substantial off season. I wonder if Staois will do something more measured initially and see how that works?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

lets be real, if Alfredsson or Spezza or Karlsson played d or acted like Brady throwing temper tantrums or sat out for a contract after a 50 point season and implicated the captaincy into it they would be ripped apart. and rightfully so.

And thats WHILE they were winning and leading budget teams to playoffs.

the standards for this team are in the gutter.

 

[Adrianopolous]

The flyers were not a bottom feeder when Giroux was captain. When he had that incident they were a playoff team