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Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI
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He does get criticized. It may not be for all the ills of the team, but he isn't immune to negatively.
His cheating up the ice was debunked over and over as a legit tactic on the breakout. His overall defensive intensity can be debated but I think a lot of it is overblown.
I also think he is human, saw the young talent the team was acquiring and legit thought they would have had a few playoff rounds under their belt by now. He is frustrated and searching for answers.
What is there to enjoy here? Obviously it wouldn't be good to lose a top 6 winger but teams have survived changing their captains before and shipping out top 6 wingers before.
If you listen to the radio you'd think losing Tkachuk would be this massive hit. And maybe it would be for the short term but we'd be better off for it in the long term.
Again I don't want to see Tkachuk go but I don't understand this "oh my god it would be one of the worst moments for this franchise and the team would collapse". We're already garbage with him. It can't get much worse. And I'd argue it could be for the better after an adjustment period. Why are we married to what we know has not worked for 3 years now? Why is he excluded when we talk about this team's performance?
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Famous last words...
Of all the things that are wrong with this team, Brady isn't it.
I mean, where are we struggling - In net, RHD, and on the PP.
He's not the reason the goaltending has sucked, he's not the reason the PK had struggled, there's an argument to be made he could do more on the PP, but the role hes been given isn't what's causing it to struggle, and he isn't the reason we lack depth at RD.
If we're looking for reason this team is struggling, he is so far down the list it's not even worth talking about.
Could we get better by moving on by him, sure, that could be said of any player though. We could get better by moving Stu or Sanderson too if we get the right return and fix the actual problems. Is that the most efficient way to improve this team though, hell no.
No but he s the captain. Maybe if he stop to bring his teammates to the bar and more ready to start games would help. Don’t seem to be a good motivator. When we see him cheering at his brother playoff. I think this put a cold in the locker room. If he do that again this year. I don’t think Andlauer and Staois would be please.
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Was the floating on the backcheck a legit tactic as well?
DJ let them play how they wanted to play, to their "strengths" and there is no question that how Brady likes to play is his as less d as possible and cheat for offensive chances. DJ is to blame yes, but do you guys think MacKinnon, Alfredsson, Karlsson, Crosby, Chara etc would go on playing in flat out selfish manner when it clearly hurt the team? Like how Brady played before Martin and Alfredsson shut it down was flat out selfish and you can't just put it all on DJ.
The biggest problem with this team and one that Brady contributes to is that they like having fun more than they like winning.
Until that culture in the locker room changes they aren't going to do anything.
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I think the idea that Brady is a problem in the locker room is pretty wild, this is the first guy in line to stand up for his teammates any time anything happens, he's as competitive as it gets on the ice.
I think if you're upset about him going to the bar from time to time, or being supportive of his family when his team was well out of the playoffs, well idk what to tell you, it's to the point that people are looking for anything to complain about.
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- Made captain
- Signed to a big contract
- Surrounded team with his buddies
But it’s a small group of posters on a freaking random online forum that’s going to run him out of town?!? Give it a rest buddy, if he requests a trade it’s because the team is hot garbage and him listening to his brother/dad following in their footsteps.
Sens fans are so insecure about stars leaving that they think they are the problem lmaoo.
It's unlikely we've seen the best of what Stutzle or Sanderson can do. It's likely we have seen the best Tkachuk can do.
If you have to or want to move on from someone you do it when their value is the highest. For some reason people love Tkachuk and if he doesn't want to be here he'll get a great return.
That's all. If he wants to stay, let him stay. I don't think he's a horrible player or a weight on this team by any means but if we have to move a big name player other GMs in the league value, my mind is on Tkachuk.
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First rule to fandom is to not get married to any one player.
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He signed a big contract because that's what his market value dictated, he was made captain because he displayed leadership qualities and was seen as a leader on the team, not sure what you mean by surrounded team with his buddies?
I'm not saying fans are going to run him out of town, never suggested as much, if fact I think it's pretty unlikely he wants to leave at all, but when people start creating conspiracy theory style narratives based on little to nothing about players maybe they should take a look in the mirror if they are searching for reasons players sometimes aren't thrilled about every aspect that goes along with playing in Canadian markets. These stupid narratives fans create to villainize players serve one purpose, to make it easier to not be upset if the player does leave. It's stupid though, if he leaves, as you suggest, it's because the team hasn't improved and he wants to win, not because he's a bad leader, not because he isn't good enough defensively, not because he's greedy or only because the team was forcing him to be accountable, but because continuing to play for the team isn't conducive to his career aspirations of winning.
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We need to draft more players who’s Dads we’re in the NHL because they have a maturity and an understanding of how things are done and come with built in ready NHL habits and this will help the culture of the team
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Yep.
That was one hell of a hard lesson to learn over the past decade. Alfredsson, Spezza, Karlsson, and Stone....and others.
Sen fans' hearts are held together by a few bits of thread and hope at this point.
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I think he will be gone in the 2025 offseason before his NMC kicks in if we do not make the playoffs again.
He will leverage his NMC to get out of here and the team will give in because once a superstar wants out it's too difficult to keep them long-term and if they try to convince him to stay beyond when his NMC kicks in, they lose all leverage in a trade.
Winning solves everything. So if they have a strong 2024-2025 season, then it's like none of this ever happened.
Ultimately, the team Dorion built is very flawed, and fixing it in such a short period of time with so many big contracts is going to be very difficult. I suspect we are in for a major retool/rebuild around Sanderson/Pinto/Greig with everybody else, including Stutzle, possibly being moved.
The problem is that fixing this team is not a 1 year problem but they only have a year before Giroux is a UFA and Tkachuk's NMC kicks in.
I keep seeing this repeated over and over again. But what do people mean by that?
In the group of Tkachuk, Stutzle, Sanderson, Norris, Zub, Batherson, Joseph, Chabot, Korpisalo - all the guys who are signed to term and dollars - who are the 3-4 players who shouldn't be here? And what would you have realistically done instead? Korpisalo isn't the guy in nets (at least not this year) so who would have replaced him this past offseason? Should Chabot have never been given that extension? Or is the implication that he should have been shopped and traded before the year started? Is Norris' injury woes why you're trading him? Cause that could have happened to any player.
Or maybe it's none of those players. Maybe you're talking about the depth/role players? Would love to hear your take.
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Bridge deals to everyone but Sanderson, Stutzle, and Zub. As those guys are or will be bargains.
Keep everyone else hungry.
Easier to say now after seeing what happened, but in hindsight that was the right play.
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I am going to agree here. I don't think it's a good idea to give leadership roles to guys like Chabot and Tkachuk when they have accomplished absolutely nothing and are good but not great players.
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Feel like Brady would be a good leader if he is like 4th or 5th guy. Same with Chabot. Too much too soon.
These guys aren't the IT players. They feel the pressure too much and don't have the consistency or high end talent to fall back on.
Leading by example >>> leading by vibes and rah rah
The most efficient way to improve this team. Wow. That's a mouthful. That would be a juicy subject for debate and the only thing we really know about it is Staois has said he's prepared to move guys with term
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Rah rah
Led the team in takeaways last night, he’s much better under JM,
you have blinders on like usual, but your hate gets in the way of judgement.
