id think this is more right than wrong unfortunately. i think expectations of fans were way too high coming in, between what fox did and his production in sweden things got carried away. i think internally and externally expectations for this year were far more muted. still would think hes underperformed those though - his skating really muted any transition / offensive impact and didnt help his strongest skill was manned by the reigning norris winner. i dont think hes fallen off a cliff, but i dont think hes returning a turcotte or perfetti in a 1 for 1. but counterintuitively, i think he holds roughly equivalent value in a package as part of a bigger deal. think teams still see real upside and value given his position and skillset but views on his ceiling likely have lowered and probability of reaching that is less certain. in a 1 for 1 thats harder to stomach, but in a package he could be seen as a first round equivalent with still some material potential to become a high impact player if all breaks right. do think thats aided by his still looking like a child, his hockey iq is high and hes got an elite shot...just really needs to get stronger and more powerful which are two things that can be improved - and appearances suggest hes a long way from where he might get to in those areas. id think hes moved this season though as part of some deal - hes clearly the odd man out here. have to wonder if he sees the writing on the wall there too with his hartford numbers....which are really not helping his return value. kravtsov torpedoing his value was bad enough.
Player Discussion Braden Schneider
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id think this is more right than wrong unfortunately. i think expectations of fans were way too high coming in, between what fox did and his production in sweden things got carried away. i think internally and externally expectations for this year were far more muted. still would think hes underperformed those though - his skating really muted any transition / offensive impact and didnt help his strongest skill was manned by the reigning norris winner. i dont think hes fallen off a cliff, but i dont think hes returning a turcotte or perfetti in a 1 for 1. but counterintuitively, i think he holds roughly equivalent value in a package as part of a bigger deal. think teams still see real upside and value given his position and skillset but views on his ceiling likely have lowered and probability of reaching that is less certain. in a 1 for 1 thats harder to stomach, but in a package he could be seen as a first round equivalent with still some material potential to become a high impact player if all breaks right. do think thats aided by his still looking like a child, his hockey iq is high and hes got an elite shot...just really needs to get stronger and more powerful which are two things that can be improved - and appearances suggest hes a long way from where he might get to in those areas. id think hes moved this season though as part of some deal - hes clearly the odd man out here. have to wonder if he sees the writing on the wall there too with his hartford numbers....which are really not helping his return value. kravtsov torpedoing his value was bad enough.
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if we wind up with the best asset, sandwiched between the two devil picks, thats going to be delicious.
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The Rangers have figured out Schneider's better. Everyone else probably has too.
Hunter Gathers
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I never understood those that had Lundkvist above Schneider.
Another stand out game for the "kid". The difference between Shneider and someone like Hajek/Nemeth is immeasurable.
Nice to finally have someone on the third pairing who isn't a complete shit show every night.
Nice to finally have someone on the third pairing who isn't a complete shit show every night.
unpopular opinion but Nemeth and Schneider can be a good pair just give them a few weeks
i don’t see the issue W Playing Jones and Lundkvist in the AHL. They are young
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Panarin & Schneider have really good chemistry, which you dont often see between a forward and a defenseman not named Fox. The kid know how to get open and when to let it rip. Hot(?) take: Hes already our best d-man behind Fox/Trouba
KirkAlbuquerque
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Heartache to heartache they stand.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
He's been pretty impressive the past few games. I thought he struggled after his debut but he's been really shining through since the Florida game I'd say.
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Good sign that he's playing well regardless of who his D-partner is
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No promises, no demands.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Yeah. I know it may sound outrageous but he might displace Trouba sooner than expected.
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McRanger92
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I am one of Trouba's biggest fans but being able to potentially move his 8 mil in 2-3 years is going to give this team some huge flexibility at a time when they really need it
n8
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it's all about point potential. With Lundkvist, people see a Brian Rafalski/Phil Housley type of player. Schneider is more like a Zbynek Michalek/Dan Girardi (circa 2010) type. If Lundkvist hits his ceiling, he's just a sexier type of player with a higher "total points" number. And you know HFB, we love them stats.
Mandar
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Huge Klein fan but Schneider is more skilled in every way. I would hope that would be Schneider's floor.
Did you mean from a fiestiness standpoint?
Mandar
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very similar physically. Klein also scored some clutch goals when he was at the top of his game…he did have some skills too.
I see that Schneider certainly has better wheels….and he’s just scratching the surface
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I can see the comparison, but agree. He has a WAY higher skill ceiling. I like that he's focused on being defensively smart seeing how fresh he is, but also has the ability to step up offensively, and I think as time goes on, we're going to see more of that.
So he might actually have Jacob Slavin like potential?
Maybe he ends up to be our Colton Parayko? Guy was a beast 2018-2019.
I think Slavin is an excellent comp for him tbh.
I think as more time goes by, he’s going to get more comfortable throwing his body around.
He’s already impressed a ton both offensively/defensively for a kid his age, he’s going to be a true stud
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