Actually Hunter asked Mitch to leave team for 2 weeks his 2nd season in London after Paul blew up at him over ice time and usage .. another reason why you can't pay too much attention to what is said publicly .. fyi he was also absent for a week his 1st season too which was never explained except that Mitch needed some time with his skating advisor .. there were loads of issues on taping of practices too which London did not allow .. all in name of Paul working with Mitch .. but that went on from time he was 6 years old
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I'm coming around to the expectation that without significant overhauls this summer, we're going to see the team regress fairly substantially next year.
The victory that was our first round playoff win clearly was a huge weight off their shoulders. You could see it in the faces of Matthews' parents and how he hugged his dad after the win. They had finally done it, they were finally on their way to the promised land. They had proven the haters wrong and were true hockey players™. That lasted exactly one game and their victory turned to ash in their mouths as they crapped the bed against an upstart Panthers team that they didn't take seriously.
If they thought the pressure was bad last year, they are in for a whole world of hurt this year because now they're in cup or bust territory. The weight that they thought they had dropped has now doubled. It's tragic in a philosophical sense, but more importantly it's not practical in a hockey team sense. Hockey teams succeed when they're driven and capable. The drive can come from many different places, and what we know about this core is that no matter what tinkering Dubas did around the edges, be it toughness, defense, leadership, our core is not driven. They carry the burden of pressure, rather than use it as fuel to drive them forwards. Pressure makes them crumble, while it turns winning teams into diamonds.
My argument is simply that without a significant reset to the team and therefore expectations, the pressure will destroy them and we will be out of a playoff spot around Christmas time. A new GM doesn't mean squat for that locker room, that locker room needs "new team smell" and that's going to come from significant changes to the core. We need at least one of the core 4 gone, and a new core piece brought in. A new coach now is better because it emphasizes the reset, as opposed to a mid season which is a gradual change. If this team is just gradually adjusted, the narratives won't change and the pressure will keep building. We need a reset and it would be better to do it manually this summer, rather than have the team buckle under the pressure this year and cost us another year.
The victory that was our first round playoff win clearly was a huge weight off their shoulders. You could see it in the faces of Matthews' parents and how he hugged his dad after the win. They had finally done it, they were finally on their way to the promised land. They had proven the haters wrong and were true hockey players™. That lasted exactly one game and their victory turned to ash in their mouths as they crapped the bed against an upstart Panthers team that they didn't take seriously.
If they thought the pressure was bad last year, they are in for a whole world of hurt this year because now they're in cup or bust territory. The weight that they thought they had dropped has now doubled. It's tragic in a philosophical sense, but more importantly it's not practical in a hockey team sense. Hockey teams succeed when they're driven and capable. The drive can come from many different places, and what we know about this core is that no matter what tinkering Dubas did around the edges, be it toughness, defense, leadership, our core is not driven. They carry the burden of pressure, rather than use it as fuel to drive them forwards. Pressure makes them crumble, while it turns winning teams into diamonds.
My argument is simply that without a significant reset to the team and therefore expectations, the pressure will destroy them and we will be out of a playoff spot around Christmas time. A new GM doesn't mean squat for that locker room, that locker room needs "new team smell" and that's going to come from significant changes to the core. We need at least one of the core 4 gone, and a new core piece brought in. A new coach now is better because it emphasizes the reset, as opposed to a mid season which is a gradual change. If this team is just gradually adjusted, the narratives won't change and the pressure will keep building. We need a reset and it would be better to do it manually this summer, rather than have the team buckle under the pressure this year and cost us another year.
These are all well known issues but Paul has been largely absent from Scotia since Mitch's signing .. I give him credit he got Mitch his contract and for most players who have been on train tracks since 6 this is da ultimate goal and it gets worse every year with parents (same issues with Rose and Shanny and Bonnie and eric etc) .. been going on for many many years my friend with controlling parents
Oh lord i know.. i didnt play for long but as a teenager.. some of the parents were f***ed
I just get astounded when it continues to that degree once they go major junior..
Hopefully he can bring back Acciari, Schenn and O’Reilly at reasonable numbers. Bunting can walk unless he comes cheap which is highly doubtful. Holl and Kerfoot both go.
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Totally agreed .. sick when Rose told Curran Shanny only wanted to play for Knights - it is why he slipped down to no 13 in O draft .. or when Bonnie told hockey world she would never agree to her Eric playing in Quebec .. this is nothing new but you are right it is downright wrong .. but guess what it worked for Shanny so he knows a thing or two about doing it too
Yep if the talent is shiny it tends to work
Why should a child be punished for their parents decisions. Also the leafs brought up the Marner salary due to their own incompetence. Leafs got marner to forfeit his rookie bonuses and then immediately gave Matthews his. The Marners were also pissed about how the organization handled the Babcock player ranking situation. Then he got demoted to fourth line. Just completely avoidable things organizationally that could have saved us a few million on his deal.
The more you dive into the situation the more you’ll realize Babcock’s actions really had an affect on all the RFA contract situations. Kyle should have fired that guy way earlier.
You mean the Babcock who both Kadri and Marner have credited for making them better players - after he was fired.
At some point you can't let da inmates run da ship .. can you imagine Paul telling Babs who Mitch should be playing with and why? .. "heh heh heh Mitch needs more points so he can get a great contract man" .. da whole affair will eventually come out to FULL light and it won't look good for Mitch and fam .. but Babs had to keep his CA and severance $$$ and Shanny wants it all swept under rug .. loads of child like immature behavior from all sides .. it should never occur in pro hockey but it does
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Mike Kelly from the NHL network was on Kyper and Bourne the other day. He felt like outside of Matthews, BT's biggest challenge was bolstering the blue line. "The blueline needs more work than anything else".
He didn't go into too much detail, but it's easy to break down:
Rielly Brodie
McCabe Liljegren
Gio Timmons
All under contract, but it isn't the full story:
Gio seems to be breaking down
Timmons at this point is a 7th/8th D
Both McCabe and Liljegren seem to be slotted incorrectly.
It should be more like:
Rielly Brodie
_____ _______
McCabe Liljegren
Timmons
Niemela (?)
Signing Schenn certainly could make things easier.
Do you see BT putting an effort into changing our D?
He didn't go into too much detail, but it's easy to break down:
Rielly Brodie
McCabe Liljegren
Gio Timmons
All under contract, but it isn't the full story:
Gio seems to be breaking down
Timmons at this point is a 7th/8th D
Both McCabe and Liljegren seem to be slotted incorrectly.
It should be more like:
Rielly Brodie
_____ _______
McCabe Liljegren
Timmons
Niemela (?)
Signing Schenn certainly could make things easier.
Do you see BT putting an effort into changing our D?
Yeah I don’t expect those guys to completely bury him to the media. That’s not really in eithers nature. Babcock is a good coach but he also a piece of shit. Both can be true, he definitely caused a lot of issues for a young group here in Toronto. The more you read the more you’ll see he is at the root of why a lot of the younger players took the team to the shed on their RFA deals.
For sure I don’t agree with us giving into the contract demands. But that tends to happen now, if you’re inconsistent as an organization it tends to piss players off. It’s just the generation we are in now a days.
Cassidy was hated so much in Boston that Krejci went to Europe and DeBrusk demanded a trade. After Cassidy left, Krejci came back and DeBrusk rescinded his trade request.
Where is Cassidy now?
What is your point? This has nothing to do with my initial point. I never said Babcock was a bad coach. I said Babcock is an asshole who caused a lot of issues for our organization at a key team when trying to resign RFA’s. His actions played a part in why a lot of our RFA’s went ham in their negotiations.
What does that have to do with fcking Bruce Cassidy? If you’re going to respond keep it on topic with the original post. Idgaf about Cassidy.
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Yep you don't have to be a big bruising hitter but get your body in the way. I think Tre has a style of coaches he likes, I think he had Tochett in PHX he had Sutter, Peters, Hartley all have a reputation for being task masters. They all coach a style that is a "hard" game. TBH Babcock is more Tre's style than Keefe is. I think Toronto likes blue collar players, Tre likes coaches who like Blue collar players.
No doubt Lou and Babs were wrong guys for TO today .. you can't run da Leafs like da Devils or Isles or Ducks .. but you also can't run it like Dubie did either .. bottom line I see it in my kids hockey has changed .. you can't muscle down these kids like owners did to us .. being an *ss to players won't work ie Lou/Babs but being their best friend like Dubie does not work either .. personally i like Steve Y approach myself where it is all about TEAM in dressing room and do what you want on your own time but when you are with team you follow along and do what TEAM wants .. it only goes up to Steve Y in rare cases but when it does there will be a BIG cost .. players need to know and believe that someone at TOP is acting 100% in best interests of TEAM .. it is hard to do with our Leafs as every single person in hockey knows what a cash cow our team is .. players all know that Leafs could pay 3X salaries without blinking an eye .. whereas in Devils land da last month of season they struggle to make payroll .. it is why I have always believed we need at least 2 leagues here .. we need a league for da $$$ teams (5-8) teams that could all at least double salaries .. and then a bottom tier league where Ducks, Devils, Coyotes, Cats etc can play at maybe 80% of current CAP .. we are 30 years into Bettman and all he has done is make hockey a middling sport with a better geographic profile for TV in States .. da rich teams like leafs Habs and rangers just roll in $$$ and bank every year for owners .. while cats and coyotes are in deep sh*t .. while this year cats will cream cash on playoff gates which is great for them i guess
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“If people want to bet against Mike Sullivan, Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Kris Letang, and others, they can go ahead and do so, but I am going to bet on them and go with them here.” He further emphasized that Mike Sullivan, “can coach forever. He is a great coach. There is no real expiration date on Mike.”
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“If people want to bet against Mike Sullivan, Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Kris Letang, and others, they can go ahead and do so, but I am going to bet on them and go with them here.” He further emphasized that Mike Sullivan, “can coach forever. He is a great coach. There is no real expiration date on Mike.”
On Brad Treliving's first week, and the possibility of the Maple Leafs "running it back" with the core and coach
Whenever there is a change at the head of the front office, a new voice almost always provides a breath of fresh air. That was evident when listening to Brad Treliving in his introductory press conference last week (and as he made the media rounds afterward). As expected, he didn’t make any...
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These guys are great to close for you if you haven't got over the hump.
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Its very funny like everything looking better outside of toronto...
In reality leafs had 10 hits by /60 player over vegas...but vegar is more physical and more ready to hit and be hit..
Stone gm 3 to 6 vs edmonton and 4 to 7 vs dallas had only 1 goal no assist... oh what a leader, matthews who only record 2 assist or marne 1 goal 2 assist in 5 game against florida, oh what kind of loser...
The reality its if Brossoit didnt get injured and hill played pretty huge hockey... vegas would not pass edmonton and certainly no beating Dallas... if hill didnt made amaizing save on cousins, probably vegas losing gm 1 and if he didnt stop verhaeghe in breakaway at beggining of gm 2, maybe floride win it...
Losing doesnt mean everyone had been trash or whatever
I like a lot of what you said here but I will take that bet about them being out of a playoff spot by xmas. If everything stays the same there is no reason to think we wont be in the playoffs easily again next yr. What they do once they get there is probably more of the same though.
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Exactly. Like I said way before, keep Marner and Nylander to get you easily through the season into the playoffs. Trade Matthews now to acquire two or three of the type of players who excel once the playoffs start. Treliving knows...
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successful coaches have been hated by players since the invention of hockey, the only difference is now the kids are entitled brats..........
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