Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs
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That’s unfortunate, I think Babs should have been gone after the 2nd Boston series when he didn’t want to play Matthews more than Marleau. I’m not saying Keefe was the right guy. But you need a guy who can hold players accountable but still support and bring positivity. I think Rod Brind’Amour is the perfect example of a good new age coach. He isn’t easy to play for and he doesn’t try to cator to the guys, but the players know at the end of the day he’s got their back.
Personally I’d love Patrick Roy
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In the second Boston series, Matthews played 19:47 per game, which was second among forwards behind Marner.
Marleau played 14:40 per game, which was eighth among forwards.
I know he averaged more, but in game 7 in the final game. Marleau played more than Matthews if I remember correctly and it was a big issue on this board and all over the media. He had Marleau out there when we needed a goal over Matthews.
He also kept putting a No ACL Hyman out there on the PK and Boston feasted
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You do not remember correctly. In game 7, Matthews played 18:48 and Marleau played 14:35.
The first series against Boston was the one where people went nuts because Matthews played 18:06 and Marleau played 18:35. Of course those same people probably forget that Marleau had 4 goals that series, including 2 in game 7, while Matthews had 1 in the series and not a point in the game.
He did keep using Hyman, but he didn’t exactly have other good options. It’s easy to bash in hindsight, but at the time it’s actually not unreasonable to see why Babcock thought an injured Hyman was still better than Tyler Bozak.
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This is all Tanenbaum's fault.
You don't blame the employee that can't do his job right. You blame the idiot that hired him. So no need to blame Dubas when Shanahan was the one that kept him around for so long.
Taking this line of thinking to the next logical step, we should blame Tanenbaum.
He's the one that was acting as brassiere for the two bouncing boobs. So "fantastically supportive" of this whole thing. Why blame inept management when ownership keeps them employed year after year?
It all starts at the top.
With the stupid, incompetent, loser for an owner. Who believes in the equally stupid, incompetent, loser President. For what reasons, I'm not entirely sure.
He's probably just not very smart.
More money than brains. If you're still "fantastically supportive" of Shanahan after all these years, you're an even bigger tit than he is. But hey, one playoffs win in twenty years.
I'm so f***ing proud to be a Leafs fan right now it's unbelievable.
Thanks for all the good times Tanenbaum.
Up yours.
Sincerely,
A Long Time Fan
You don't blame the employee that can't do his job right. You blame the idiot that hired him. So no need to blame Dubas when Shanahan was the one that kept him around for so long.
Taking this line of thinking to the next logical step, we should blame Tanenbaum.
He's the one that was acting as brassiere for the two bouncing boobs. So "fantastically supportive" of this whole thing. Why blame inept management when ownership keeps them employed year after year?
It all starts at the top.
With the stupid, incompetent, loser for an owner. Who believes in the equally stupid, incompetent, loser President. For what reasons, I'm not entirely sure.
He's probably just not very smart.
More money than brains. If you're still "fantastically supportive" of Shanahan after all these years, you're an even bigger tit than he is. But hey, one playoffs win in twenty years.
I'm so f***ing proud to be a Leafs fan right now it's unbelievable.
Thanks for all the good times Tanenbaum.
Up yours.
Sincerely,
A Long Time Fan
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Winning the Cup has a way of turning monsters into hero's, ask players what Bowman was like. Bowman makes Babcock's antics with Marner look like it was Sunday school teachings.
You're right some are entitled brats and do get their way because the "I say so" is the guiding principal, for some reason we allow people with inexperienced opinions form how society works, IE: I had a thought so it must be the right thing to do. I remember when logic and experience ruled society & sport now it's if I have an opinion and yell the loudest, I get my way.
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He's a dirt bag, that has an issue with keeping his hands to himself. I believe in redemption but he's not capable of that.
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Yup, when you read the stories about how the Hab players hated Scottie, to a man they all said it was a unifying force and in retrospect was exactly what the team needed for success. Good times……….
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One player said that they hatted him 364 days of the year. On the 365th they lifted the Stanley Cup. I forget exactly which player, but my mind is saying it was BigBird.
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Love Larry Robinson, he was the epitome of a true defencman
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One of the first games I can remember watching Larry had two opponents tied up, one guy in a head lock and the other guy he had by the scruff of his neck,, not sure why I never became a Habs fan, my mom was a Habs fan, my earliest memories are of Habs like Larry and Guy.... somehow I saw the light at a very young age and made the stupid stupid stupid decision to be a Leafs fan... which further underlies my previous point, you should never let kids make decisions at a young age that will for ever become a life long comedy of errors.
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I hear through the grapevine that Dubas wanted Matthews to play more (and it turns out now Marleau too) but Shanahan blocked it. Also Dubas had better cheaper more stable goaltending solutions over the past 5 seasons and you guessed it... Shanahan blocked it.
And this just in: Dubas was ready to pull the trigger on a number 1 defense stud, would've cost nothing in fact the team was going to pay the Leafs to take the player and you know the rest... Shanahan blocked it.
This all sounds eerily familiar to a certain Blue Jays' GM of the now distant past: J.P. Ricciardi. He would strut around talking about how he had tried to acquire Clayton Kershaw and Tim Lincecum implying what a baseball genius that made him to spot baseball talent anybody could spot.
Okay Dubas was never the level of a fraud that Ricciardi was but it's not far off. He has the good sense to launder his boasts through media friends and blur it unlike Ricciardi. But it's the same spirit of bravado: external forces kept me from succeeding.
And this just in: Dubas was ready to pull the trigger on a number 1 defense stud, would've cost nothing in fact the team was going to pay the Leafs to take the player and you know the rest... Shanahan blocked it.
This all sounds eerily familiar to a certain Blue Jays' GM of the now distant past: J.P. Ricciardi. He would strut around talking about how he had tried to acquire Clayton Kershaw and Tim Lincecum implying what a baseball genius that made him to spot baseball talent anybody could spot.
Okay Dubas was never the level of a fraud that Ricciardi was but it's not far off. He has the good sense to launder his boasts through media friends and blur it unlike Ricciardi. But it's the same spirit of bravado: external forces kept me from succeeding.
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Larry Robinson became a Lou Lamoriello loyalist for a decade until Lou lost power in New Jersey with new ownership.
Here here .. people think Larry is smart because he has made billions .. and maybe they are right .. maybe he should stick to brownfield real estate to keep making his billions .. but you are 100% correct in saying Larry is way way way too supportive of Shanny .. and last year at sponsor year end mtg he was way way too supportive of Dubie too .. guess what this year in fact yesterday afternoon he did same thing with Shanny again .. and all of us minions just said nothing again much like year before .. heh guess what boston Pizza guy was not there --- strange .. where r u Jim? .. there is absolutely nobody rocking da good ship Leaf boat on da $$$ side .. everybody seems happy making $$$ off da team including ma bell .. it was disheartening to me as I see zero REAL changes here .. except da talk that we are revamping our D in a big way this summer .. that may help some .. not sure what Tree is gonna do .. i guess we will see soon
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Thank god it was only a stupid stupid stupid decision of choosing a hockey team that you made as a child, imagine the comedy of errors you dodged………
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Well said. I have been calling out Larry T for years here. Most people won't touch it but he is the common denominator in every failure since JFJ wanted to blow it up and was denied.
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Game 7 it was pretty blatant that Marleau was getting way more run than Matthews until it was effectively too late. Steve Simmons asked Babcock about it at the podium and Babcock stormed out like a piss baby
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Brodie should not be on the 1st. pairing (obviously my opinion differs from yours.)
He looked overwhelmed in the playoffs.
Giordano looked slow and struggled to keep up.
Timmons is an unknown, he's played 88 NHL games. (regular+playoffs combined)
Holl became a regular at age 27.
Rielly -
McCabe - Liljegren
Giordano, Timmins, Brodie
Niemela and other prospects
Leafs need a stud ... don't have one.
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Correlation does not equal causation.
Winning is about as much about luck and good health as it is about team structure. The Leafs arguably played a much better series against the Bolts last year but they lose and then a year later against the same franchise they fluke their way into the 2nd round. Boston who was the class of the NHL, has multiple key injuries late in the season and lose against a 8th placed team who only made the playoffs because Chicago beat Pitts in Pitts in the last week of the season. Then Bob goes mental and posts sv% against Tor and Car, sv% that has never happened in the history of the league and we want to say that all these odd twists of fate are influenced by Larry? Playoffs are often a crap shoot, a minority owner has lots of money but I doubt he can bend the will of fate to cause the Leafs to be such epic losers.
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Maybe the case but it was the same board that stopped JFJ from blowing it up. Larry T was also the top dog when the TPP were here. People have said plenty of times that he is very hands on and ultimately under his watch Tim L left as well. Most speculation was that he had issues with the board.
The smokes all around the guy but of course he will just keep doing his thing as the issues stack up.
No worries Larry took the Stavro teams that had conference finals and solid deep runs and turned into a hunk of unproductive junk for almost two decades.
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How many has-beens does Vegas have?
The entire team is full of strong, younger players, who can skate, don't shy away from the forecheck, aren't afraid to shoot, etc.
The days of bringing in RORs, Giordanos, Spezzas....it's gotta end. We can't escape Tavares' contract, but we can stop bringing in slow, fragile players who played their best hockey 10 years ago.
If Gio is in our top 6 next year, I will stop Treleiving.
The entire team is full of strong, younger players, who can skate, don't shy away from the forecheck, aren't afraid to shoot, etc.
The days of bringing in RORs, Giordanos, Spezzas....it's gotta end. We can't escape Tavares' contract, but we can stop bringing in slow, fragile players who played their best hockey 10 years ago.
If Gio is in our top 6 next year, I will stop Treleiving.
