Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[rocketman588]

Hey, the owners are taking every penny of Seattle’s franchise fee.

My tinfoil hat theory is that AZ is only around to keep the cap down because they're hockey related revenue is basically 0 and their net is obviously in the negative.

Gary gets to use them to not raise the cap until he locks he players out to try to get a 60-40 split in 24/25

 

[Socreges]

 

[Magic Man]

Rielly got an 8 year extension. JT got 7 years, which was the maximum allowed as a UFA.

They blew the other 3 though. Nylander did have a nice cap hit for the duration of his deal. But, Matthews for 5 years and Marner for 6 years has put us in a really bad position.

 

[yubbers]

If that's Caufield deal doesn't show you how bad Dubas was...I don't know what will.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Dreger on Babcock returning to coach the Blue Jackets, if Keefe will get an extension and more - TSN.ca

TSN hockey insider Darren Dreger joins us to chat about if there is an extension in the works for Sheldon Keefe, Shane Doan's name being linked to the Maple Leafs' front office, if Patrick Roy will be behind an NHL bench soon, Mike Babcock returning to the NHL as to coach the Blue Jackets and more.

 

[scoringmachine]

His 1st draft
Bennett is the only one who had a carreer and was easily the best player available at the moment

He bring him hamiltom for a 1st and second, was an amaizing deal... bring lindholm and hanifin late

2015 andersson, kylington, mangiapane without any 1st...Pretty great

2016
Rkachuk, dube, fox ( who just never wanted to sign entry level deal)

2017-2018
Only had 1 pick first 3 round. Ruzicka only player from those draft

2019 pelletier and wolf... pretty good

Im just dont understand whats youre blaming from his draft in first 5 year of treliving, calgary drafted 2X quality player than previous 10 before him...

I know that Calgary is not a place that most NHL players want to play for, but the reason I am so critical on Treliving is he has a hard time dealing with star players.

1. Bennett is Calgary's highest ever draft pick in team history and was not treated like the star that he is now in Florida.

2. Hamilton was one of our best defenseman and rumors had to say that he was distraction for the team and needed to be traded. He did got lucky with Lindholm and Hanifin as they could of flopped in Calgary. It like saying to Toronto trading William Nylander for something similar, but do not know if they will succeed or flop.

3. Anderson, Kylington and Mangiapane are all good draft picks. Out of the three Anderson has been the most consistent Kylington and Mangiapane are up and down, Kylington took a personal year off and it could affect his game. Unless Kylington and Mangiapane improve their game their will be constant trade rumors about the two. How is it Treliving fault by not finding the right coach for the team to help them develop better.

4. We just have to wait until Wolf plays in the NHL to decide how good a pick he is. The reason is Tyler Parsan was just as good as Wolf, but could not hack it at the NHL level.

The main reason I think he is not a good fit in Toronto is he does not know how to handle Star players. Gaudreau he could have got something for him and handled the situation wrong. Tkchuck he got lucky as he asked to be traded and gave Treliving enought time to trade him. In Toronto they have more than two star players and 10 UFA next season and I do not know if he can handle the pressure of who to keep and who to let go as in Calgary during contract years that is when the players like Gaudreau would play their best. The Fans in Toronto are less forgiving then in Calgary.

 

[The Masters]

Rielly got an 8 year extension. JT got 7 years, which was the maximum allowed as a UFA.

They blew the other 3 though. Nylander did have a nice cap hit for the duration of his deal. But, Matthews for 5 years and Marner for 6 years has put us in a really bad position.

Rielly not core 4. JT at 7 at the time was nice. Too bad its aged badly.

The big extensions were Marner and Matthews and he failed in both.

 

[The Masters]

Treliving’s initial conversations with Leafs players and staff have gone well, according to those behind the scenes. Multiple agents contacted by The Athletic this week raved about Treliving’s personable and open style, with several vouching for his ability to build consensus and win people over.

 

[Magic Man]

Rielly not core 4. JT at 7 at the time was nice. Too bad its aged badly.

The big extensions were Marner and Matthews and he failed in both.

I get that the core 4 doesn't include Rielly. But, even though he's often left out, he is part of the core. There are 4 core forwards, but there are 5 members of the core on the team.

2 of the 5 got the max allowable term they could sign for.

JT still scored 80 points in 80 games in year #5 of his deal, while being a top-5 faceoff man. He also just scored the winning goal to end our first round curse. We have made worse signings than JT.

 

[rocketman588]

Rielly got an 8 year extension. JT got 7 years, which was the maximum allowed as a UFA.

They blew the other 3 though. Nylander did have a nice cap hit for the duration of his deal. But, Matthews for 5 years and Marner for 6 years has put us in a really bad position.

Caulfield is making 850k more then nylander with a higher cap and 8 years....

 

[Superstar]

Rielly got an 8 year extension. JT got 7 years, which was the maximum allowed as a UFA.

They blew the other 3 though. Nylander did have a nice cap hit for the duration of his deal. But, Matthews for 5 years and Marner for 6 years has put us in a really bad position.

The problem with Dubas is that he gave Matthews, Marner and Nylander AAVs that should have been 8 year terms when they signed, but couldn't actually sign them for 8 years...what a failure.

 

[rocketman588]

The problem with Dubas is that he gave Matthews, Marner and Nylander AAVs that should have been 8 year terms when they signed, but couldn't actually sign them for 8 years...what a failure.

And the NMC he got absolutely destroyed

 

[thusk]

I know that Calgary is not a place that most NHL players want to play for, but the reason I am so critical on Treliving is he has a hard time dealing with star players.

1. Bennett is Calgary's highest ever draft pick in team history and was not treated like the star that he is now in Florida.

2. Hamilton was one of our best defenseman and rumors had to say that he was distraction for the team and needed to be traded. He did got lucky with Lindholm and Hanifin as they could of flopped in Calgary. It like saying to Toronto trading William Nylander for something similar, but do not know if they will succeed or flop.

3. Anderson, Kylington and Mangiapane are all good draft picks. Out of the three Anderson has been the most consistent Kylington and Mangiapane are up and down, Kylington took a personal year off and it could affect his game. Unless Kylington and Mangiapane improve their game their will be constant trade rumors about the two. How is it Treliving fault by not finding the right coach for the team to help them develop better.

4. We just have to wait until Wolf plays in the NHL to decide how good a pick he is. The reason is Tyler Parsan was just as good as Wolf, but could not hack it at the NHL level.

The main reason I think he is not a good fit in Toronto is he does not know how to handle Star players. Gaudreau he could have got something for him and handled the situation wrong. Tkchuck he got lucky as he asked to be traded and gave Treliving enought time to trade him. In Toronto they have more than two star players and 10 UFA next season and I do not know if he can handle the pressure of who to keep and who to let go as in Calgary during contract years that is when the players like Gaudreau would play their best. The Fans in Toronto are less forgiving then in Calgary.

1- Bennett is become a good complemantary player in florida but hes not a star.

2- it is luck or just what he saw at this time of lindholm/hanifin

3- Pearson i really liked him with london but sorry wolf just show hes a huge step in front

4- He never wanted to move Tkachuk... if Matthews would say after this season he would not sign long term with Toronto, whatever who the gm would be... the result would be the same... Matthews would be gone after 1, the only difference would be the asset they have for him

For gaudreau if Gaudreau doesn't know about his futur before the season, do you move him or wait whats happening in regular season for a team who had hope ro keep him... 99,9 % of gm would wait and see in reg season to know and maybe traded him at trade deadline... but the problem is calgary was so good this season than they cant trade gaudreau...

 

[The Masters]

I get that the core 4 doesn't include Rielly. But, even though he's often left out, he is part of the core. There are 4 core forwards, but there are 5 members of the core on the team.

2 of the 5 got the max allowable term they could sign for.

JT still scored 80 points in 80 games in year #5 of his deal, while being a top-5 faceoff man. He also just scored the winning goal to end our first round curse. We have made worse signings than JT.

Marner and Matthews were the biggest failures of negotiations of the core 4. That's the whole point to this and it's set us back tremendously. The JT deal was nice when it happened but it crippled our cap and his game has dropped off significantly. I liked the deal at the time but these next 2 years at $11M will hurt.

 

[Zero1]

And the NMC he got absolutely raped

Don’t forget the signing bonus!

Didn’t they offer Marner $11x7 right on July 1st? I don’t think he even tried to negotiate. f***ing gave them everything.

 

[justashadowof]

Dreger on Babcock returning to coach the Blue Jackets, if Keefe will get an extension and more - TSN.ca

TSN hockey insider Darren Dreger joins us to chat about if there is an extension in the works for Sheldon Keefe, Shane Doan's name being linked to the Maple Leafs' front office, if Patrick Roy will be behind an NHL bench soon, Mike Babcock returning to the NHL as to coach the Blue Jackets and more.

It's insane that they're thinking about running it back with Keefe. If it were some other coach who was an external hiring after an exhaustive search who had no previous history with the former GM then I might get it. Sheldon Keefe has literally been tethered to Kyle Dubas for a decade. I wonder if Shanahan is calling some sort of bluff by offering an extension to Keefe.

 

[therealkoho]

And the coach can't openly show favoritism to only a couple players regardless of how they play. You won't get players going through a brick wall when they know others don't have to even stand up for themselves let alone some kid getting cowboyed.

You know me " Never say Never to a Paul Maurice coached team" .

Recognising a good coach, that your players will go through a brick wall for is one that has success and might even win you a Stanley Cup.

Agreed, the coach has to have autonomy to a certain extent to run his bench as he or she sees fit. Humiliating a coach by making him publicly apologize for the mean things he may have said to a certain underachieving player, cuts his legs out at the knees and undermines his authority.

The Keefe behind the Leafs bench is the same Keefe who guided the Marlies to a Calder and had the Leafs humming along and centering the offence on Matthews so much so that it won the kid a Hart, but sadly he did not have enough heart to continue into the playoffs. For 11 and change its not good enough.

Trelivings little trip marks the third time that they are publicly kissing the guys arse. The rest of the league must be laughing at this public display of supplication. I'm wondering whether he's going there to ask if it's alright for them to retain Keefe. I can imagine the rest of the team sitting back and wondering when it will be their turn for the silk sheets and champagne.

I'd imagine Paul Maurice treats Tkachuk good but doesn't coddle him ever and what he gets is 110% and total respect from the rest of the team.

 

[Magic Man]

Marner and Matthews were the biggest failures of negotiations of the core 4. That's the whole point to this and it's set us back tremendously. The JT deal was nice when it happened but it crippled our cap and his game has dropped off significantly. I liked the deal at the time but these next 2 years at $11M will hurt.

Scoring is higher, so JT's production isn't as impressive as it would have been 5 years ago. But, he's still a ppg center who is 60% on draws. Obviously his big year here in year 1 of his contract, he only scored 8 more points in 2 more games than he got this year. I keep waiting for him to come in and have a really noticeable decline and he just consistently does his thing. I'm starting to worry less that it will happen to a severe degree under his current contract.

 

[29Potvin]

Marner and Matthews were the biggest failures of negotiations of the core 4. That's the whole point to this and it's set us back tremendously. The JT deal was nice when it happened but it crippled our cap and his game has dropped off significantly. I liked the deal at the time but these next 2 years at $11M will hurt.

JT's deal set the standard for the rest of the core 3 and set our internal cap. Patty M playing dad for AM and MM set the table for how those negotiations would go.

 

[therealkoho]

Stanley Cup Media Day - 32 Thoughts: The Podcast

Toronto hiring Brad Treliving as their GM (23:30)

You are the hockey wiz huh?

 

[rocketman588]

Don’t forget the signing bonus!

Didn’t they offer Marner $11x7 right on July 1st? I don’t think he even tried to negotiate. f***ing gave them everything.

Yeppp

 

[therealkoho]

Hoping Tree gives Keefe more back up when Keefe calls out star players like Marner and Keefe won't have to walk back his comments. Dubas is not around to baby the core 4 any longer and now it's big boy pants on and do your job as a pro.

To me Dubas was too soft on Marner and allows him to get away with piss poor playoffs

It wasn't Marner

 

[The Masters]

Scoring is higher, so JT's production isn't as impressive as it would have been 5 years ago. But, he's still a ppg center who is 60% on draws. Obviously his big year here in year 1 of his contract, he only scored 8 more points in 2 more games than he got this year. I keep waiting for him to come in and have a really noticeable decline and he just consistently does his thing. I'm starting to worry less that it will happen to a severe degree under his current contract.

Meh. Leafs got burned now because they didn't have any success in his first 3-4 yrs of the deal. I don't really care about that anyways its over with. Bigger problems were Matthews and Marner and the pressure to get those guys under solid deals.

 

[myleafs]

If the core 3 are willing to negotiate fair deals like Morgan Rielly did recently, that would be a good start. If they plan on milking every last penny again, at least one of them will likely have to go.

If they do this they can all go as far as Im concerned

Vegas is a perfect example.
Switch Matthews and Eichel and guess which one is still playing?
They don’t have Marner, Nylander, Tavares, doesn’t matter. The sum of the parts, being able to play in the regular season and playoffs. Being able to skill or grind. Hit and be hit.

And Stone...he is their leader and he plays like one.

 

[myleafs]

His first job is hiring Patrick Roy as our new HC.
He just won the memorial cup

That would be interesting....he is one fiery mofo