Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[The Masters]

Doug @ 35 min LOL

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Good for him. I would usually advice putting everything in investments but at his age he has probably been through some tough shit in his life. I would advice him to spend it all!

But get a new phone number and ignore "new" family.

Am I supposed to know who this guy is?

Leiweke:

- Loves Dubas but the Leafs losing him is not a backwards move
- Treliving is the most tested GM in the league, he was in a war in Calgary
- Maple Leafs most talented team in Atlantic division which is division of death
- Shanny and the Board want to win more than anyone

Then break up the core 4. Standing Pat won't do it.

 

[phillipmike]

Leiweke:

- Loves Dubas but the Leafs losing him is not a backwards move
- Treliving is the most tested GM in the league, he was in a war in Calgary
- Maple Leafs most talented team in Atlantic division which is division of death
- Shanny and the Board want to win more than anyone

Very impressed with Lewicke’s hockey knowledge. He was reeling off the amount of picks Montreal and Detroit has in the upcoming draft.

I thought this guy was just a businessman or hockey was behind his other sports but he knows hockey and stays current.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Leiweke:

- Loves Dubas but the Leafs losing him is not a backwards move
- Treliving is the most tested GM in the league, he was in a war in Calgary
- Maple Leafs most talented team in Atlantic division which is division of death
- Shanny and the Board want to win more than anyone

I listened too, he's an impressive guy.

A good reminder that MLSE needs to hire another CEO at some point, they've been without leadership for far too long.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Duhatschek notebook: Similarities and differences with paths for Treliving and Dubas

How will Kyle Dubas and Brad Treliving figure out the best courses for the Penguins and Maple Leafs? Can they make deals with each other?

theathletic.com

Near the end, when Treliving was asked how he might handle things differently from his predecessor, Kyle Dubas, Treliving fell back on another truism — that in a 32-team league, governed by a hard salary cap, it’s difficult to be the single team that ends up on the top of the heap. It’s an answer that many fans deemed unsatisfactory, even though it’s hard to dispute.

“We’re looking at a Final here now with two really good teams, but one of the teams was a Pittsburgh win away from not making the playoffs, right?” said Treliving. “It’s tight. The margins are thin. It’s hard to win. I know how that sounds. People want the answers. We’re going to try to get them the answers, but it’s hard to win.”

The problem of course is that every new GM is both helped and handcuffed by the moves that came before them. So, for example, Treliving’s replacement in Calgary, Craig Conroy, has to navigate his way around, among things, a $10.5 million contract extension for Jonathan Huberdeau that begins in the fall and a few other mid-level contracts that he could probably live without (say, four more years of Blake Coleman at $4.9 million with a full no move).

Treliving readily conceded he inherited a strong roster from Dubas, but the reality is he would have a lot more options if he didn’t have to deal with another two years of John Tavares at $11 million. That might be the best news of all — that only two years remain on Tavares’ deal and soon the salary cap is supposed to soar so you can see the light at the end of the contractual tunnel there.

In a dream world, Treliving would also find a way of handing off Matt Murray’s contract to Dubas in Pittsburgh.

Is there a way of actually making that happen in the real world? Pittsburgh’s starter, Tristan Jarry, is a UFA. Dubas promised to drill down on Jarry — what he accomplished and what he may want in salary to stay on — but Murray did win two Stanley Cups in Pittsburgh and presumably would be endorsed by the likes of Sidney Crosby and Kris Letang based on their knowledge of what he can do on the ice and how he’d fit into the mix in the dressing room.

In Toronto, clearing out the final year of Murray’s deal ($4.687 million) would free up the money to extend Ilya Samsonov — or to shop for another goaltending option, either in free agency or via trade.

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Giordano is actually 39. But he will turn 40 on Oct. 3, so just before puck drop for the 2023-24 season. But there’s trust there between the two. Giordano — and to a lesser degree fellow ex-Flame T.J. Brodie — will help Treliving get a better look behind the curtain. Everybody wants to see changes and every year, on every team, there are changes. That’s just a fact of professional sports life. Treliving noted, however, that just being different doesn’t necessarily make you better — another observation that’s hard to dispute.

There are occasionally good reasons to make lateral trades, if you feel you need to change the chemistry or makeup of your team. Other times, changes are forced upon you. In Treliving’s last gig in Calgary, Matthew Tkachuk let the Flames know last summer he had no interest in signing an extension — which then precipitated the trade to Florida. Generally speaking, if you force a change just to be seen to be doing something, those types of deals tend to backfire in a meaningful way.

 

[andora]

You think it’s reasonable to go from 30th in 2016 to have used the ELC’s productively by the time Lou left in 2018? Like we should have won a cup?

And that folks is why the rebuild was bot over .. and tavares was bad timing

 

[leafsfan5]

Leiweke:

- Loves Dubas but the Leafs losing him is not a backwards move
- Treliving is the most tested GM in the league, he was in a war in Calgary
- Maple Leafs most talented team in Atlantic division which is division of death
- Shanny and the Board want to win more than anyone

Another important point he mentioned is that when he took over ownership was scared of doing anything. They were scared of success and the tough decisions it requires. Tim came in and had to change that attitude and it started with him showing he could do it at TFC (TFC was the team to do it at because MLS rules would allow the turnaround to be fastest there)

I am worried we are back to that point with us continuously running back the core 4

 

[The Masters]

Another important point he mentioned is that when he took over ownership was scared of doing anything. They were scared of success and the tough decisions it requires. Tim came in and had to change that attitude and it started with him showing he could do it at TFC (TFC was the team to do it at because MLS rules would allow the turnaround to be fastest there)

I am worried we are back to that point with us continuously running back the core 4

they gotta take some swings here. Tre might be that guy to find something good

 

[Trapper]

Another important point he mentioned is that when he took over ownership was scared of doing anything. They were scared of success and the tough decisions it requires. Tim came in and had to change that attitude and it started with him showing he could do it at TFC (TFC was the team to do it at because MLS rules would allow the turnaround to be fastest there)

I am worried we are back to that point with us continuously running back the core 4

Fans and management are scared. When you’ve had so many dark times, it’s hard to let go of the fear of slipping even a little.
It’s a catch 22 with the Leafs.
You aren’t winning but you are afraid to make changes because you might lose.

 

[Leafblooded]

This team is f***ed

 

[rocketman588]

Duhatschek notebook: Similarities and differences with paths for Treliving and Dubas

How will Kyle Dubas and Brad Treliving figure out the best courses for the Penguins and Maple Leafs? Can they make deals with each other?

theathletic.com

Near the end, when Treliving was asked how he might handle things differently from his predecessor, Kyle Dubas, Treliving fell back on another truism — that in a 32-team league, governed by a hard salary cap, it’s difficult to be the single team that ends up on the top of the heap. It’s an answer that many fans deemed unsatisfactory, even though it’s hard to dispute.

“We’re looking at a Final here now with two really good teams, but one of the teams was a Pittsburgh win away from not making the playoffs, right?” said Treliving. “It’s tight. The margins are thin. It’s hard to win. I know how that sounds. People want the answers. We’re going to try to get them the answers, but it’s hard to win.”

The problem of course is that every new GM is both helped and handcuffed by the moves that came before them. So, for example, Treliving’s replacement in Calgary, Craig Conroy, has to navigate his way around, among things, a $10.5 million contract extension for Jonathan Huberdeau that begins in the fall and a few other mid-level contracts that he could probably live without (say, four more years of Blake Coleman at $4.9 million with a full no move).

Treliving readily conceded he inherited a strong roster from Dubas, but the reality is he would have a lot more options if he didn’t have to deal with another two years of John Tavares at $11 million. That might be the best news of all — that only two years remain on Tavares’ deal and soon the salary cap is supposed to soar so you can see the light at the end of the contractual tunnel there.

In a dream world, Treliving would also find a way of handing off Matt Murray’s contract to Dubas in Pittsburgh.

Is there a way of actually making that happen in the real world? Pittsburgh’s starter, Tristan Jarry, is a UFA. Dubas promised to drill down on Jarry — what he accomplished and what he may want in salary to stay on — but Murray did win two Stanley Cups in Pittsburgh and presumably would be endorsed by the likes of Sidney Crosby and Kris Letang based on their knowledge of what he can do on the ice and how he’d fit into the mix in the dressing room.

In Toronto, clearing out the final year of Murray’s deal ($4.687 million) would free up the money to extend Ilya Samsonov — or to shop for another goaltending option, either in free agency or via trade.

.....................

Giordano is actually 39. But he will turn 40 on Oct. 3, so just before puck drop for the 2023-24 season. But there’s trust there between the two. Giordano — and to a lesser degree fellow ex-Flame T.J. Brodie — will help Treliving get a better look behind the curtain. Everybody wants to see changes and every year, on every team, there are changes. That’s just a fact of professional sports life. Treliving noted, however, that just being different doesn’t necessarily make you better — another observation that’s hard to dispute.

There are occasionally good reasons to make lateral trades, if you feel you need to change the chemistry or makeup of your team. Other times, changes are forced upon you. In Treliving’s last gig in Calgary, Matthew Tkachuk let the Flames know last summer he had no interest in signing an extension — which then precipitated the trade to Florida. Generally speaking, if you force a change just to be seen to be doing something, those types of deals tend to backfire in a meaningful way.

Unfortunately the biggest news from that is that it sounds like Murray is not LTIRed

Which is a massive f*** up by Dubas

 

[LeafEgo]

I wouldn't. I would just be direct with him and ask, how do you justify making almost 3M more than MacKinnon? I would say you are an equivalent player and he's accomplished more than you have. I would also point out how the results have gone thus far in his career after giving the big 3 their big money early in their careers and how difficult it's been to surround them with other top 6 players to help them.

They each need to leave about 1M on the table for the team if they really are serious about winning a cup and being a Leaf. It's not like they are making peanuts. You'd still be making 12M plus endorsements ffs.

What Mack makes is a small part of the equation. It's what the market is willing to bear. Soon Matty will have full control, and his alternative to negotiation is waiting until he is a UFA where teams will pay him a surplus because they get him for free. A lot more than Mack.

If he takes an even some what reasonable offer once his NMC kicks in, he will actually still be leaving money on the table. A discount if you will.

 

[Community]

E. Lindholm, Tanev, Andersson, Hanifin, Kylington would all be interesting current Flames that I wouldn’t mind seeing on the Leafs if a Fletcher-Riseborough redux.

The whole team underperformed (most agree due to coaching/system that didn't suit them) and thererefore I wouldnt be suprised if some players are available for a good price and rebound well.

I can't believe Lindholm still has one more year at 4.85m. Unbelievably good contract value and he knows how to play with superstars.

I'd be interested in Andersson and Hanifin as well... I feel like grabbing Tanev at 33/34 years old isn't a good choice given his injury history. Haven't seen enough of Kylington to comment.

If I wasn't as high as I am on Woll, I'd be interested in a Murray + for Markstrom with retention (both teams retain 25%?) if they wanted to cut ties. I'd gamble Markstrom bounces back at 4.5m... however, after seeing their growth this year I honestly think the safer bet is Sammy or Woll progressing since they'll cost less than 4.5 combined.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

I listened too, he's an impressive guy.

A good reminder that MLSE needs to hire another CEO at some point, they've been without leadership for far too long.

Looking back now, Leiweke was a blessing for the MLSE enterprise. Put in place great infrastructure for all of the Leafs, Raptors and TFC, the latter two having gone on to win championships.

It's too bad he made people sour on him immediately by saying he was going to strip down the walls at the ACC of all of the team's legends so we don't live in the past. Completely tone deaf and stupid.

Besides that, he certainly was the much needed change the enterprise needed to actually take a step forward.

 

[Community]

I agree in that Brodie impressed me right away with his steadyness and just solid play and Gio for the same reasons but both are looking a little tired these days, especially Gio. Brodie with one yr left is ok by me, I think he probably has another year of solid hockey in him but but Gio....not so sure.

I think Keefe was suprised how well Gio handled the extra minutes during our injury crisis, but it obviously caught up to him in his last ~20 games plus playoffs. I'd be shocked if Keefe or any other coach treats him as more than a #6 this year. He should still be good in the locker room and be very steady in limited, sheltered minutes. More reliable than your typical #6, but unable to step into more minutes like some can without basically keeling over.

 

[HolyCrap]

The best he did was hyman..

I guess we cant be negative about holl and bunting they did give their seasons and were the cheap finds.. but yeah i want better

Holl is terrible. An absolute piece of garbage. And Dubas and Keefe kept him on the team and playing important minutes. If he’s back I’ll take up knitting for the winter.

 

[Aus34Matt]

Holl is terrible. An absolute piece of garbage. And Dubas and Keefe kept him on the team and playing important minutes. If he’s back I’ll take up knitting for the winter.

Two left to go from the Three Amigos.

 

[rocketman588]

Two left to go from the Three Amigos.

Holl is a UFA he will be gone

Would be hilarious if he's in Pittsburgh next season kerfoot needs to gtfo as well

 

[andora]

Holl is terrible. An absolute piece of garbage. And Dubas and Keefe kept him on the team and playing important minutes. If he’s back I’ll take up knitting for the winter.

Ok thanks

I didnt say i liked them holy crap

 

[Cleetus]

Holl is terrible. An absolute piece of garbage. And Dubas and Keefe kept him on the team and playing important minutes. If he’s back I’ll take up knitting for the winter.

I will join you maybe this guy will teach us how its done! lol

 

[al secord]

Apparently Treliving and Pridham had a very close relationship when Pridham was with the league and Treliving was GM of the Coyotes while the league owned them. Probably is a good thing if the goal is to keep Pridham around as AGM.

This gives me a semblance of relief.

Doug @ 35 min LOL

Whenever I think about how to build a team, I wonder, what would Doug Maclean do?

 

[Leaf Fans]

Ya know, I was just having a beautiful glass of Cabernet Franc, and it occurred to me, I hope the door did hit Dubas in the a?? on the way out.

Nope he ended up with a promotion in Pittsburgh.

 

[Antropovsky]

Reading between some lines - Shanny says they spoke to the core 4 expressing the intent that they want to keep them.

But are we talking about the core 4 forwards? Or does it include Rielly? He’s very much apart of that group. That could exclude someone like Nylander, who is the most likely trade candidate.

In the event that it is the 4 core forward and with Trev indicating that his focus is defense, maybe he’ll shake up the blue line and trade Rielly?

Mo is the only guy signed long term on this roster so it would be ignorant to not include him as a core piece.

Trading possibly the best playoff performer for.the leafs over the past two playoffs would seem to be counterintuitive

Apparently Treliving and Pridham had a very close relationship when Pridham was with the league and Treliving was GM of the Coyotes while the league owned them. Probably is a good thing if the goal is to keep Pridham around as AGM.

If Dubas offers the GM job, I'm sure Pridham is gone

 

[Kurtz]

Trading possibly the best playoff performer for.the leafs over the past two playoffs would seem to be counterintuitive


If Dubas offers the GM job, I'm sure Pridham is gone

We won't be trading Morgan Rielly.

But it's funny you say that, because a lot of people hold the same opinion about Willy, when he's clearly been inferior to Matthews & Marner. Just look at the stat sheet - Willy has less points than those guys, less hits (7 total hits in 2 years vs Matthews 70 hits for example), plays much worse defense, has worse plus minus despite getting the easier assignments, is a ghost for periods or games at a time...and yet people think he's been great and Matthews and Marner are chockers.

If enough GMs hold the same opinions, now would be a great time to sell high on Willy.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Holl is terrible. An absolute piece of garbage. And Dubas and Keefe kept him on the team and playing important minutes. If he’s back I’ll take up knitting for the winter.

I honestly can't fathom how Holl could be back:

He was terrible down the stretch
He was horrible in the playoffs
Mercyfully benched finally
Dubas gone

Nothing in a sane person's head can say, this massive plug needs to be back.