Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[Sypher04]

I like what I saw from Brad and some of things he was saying especially about initiating play and taking it to other teams rather than being passive and that there is no room for flybys especially in the playoffs etc. Time will tell but Im interested to see how this team looks in Oct. and if the boys whoever is still around can play a different type game.

Im surprised nobody has mentioned how nervous Kyle was yesterday at his presser. I have never seen him quite like that. Stiff/awkward and scared though he loosened up a bit as it went along. And for me he still doesnt sound like his mental state is all that much better than it was during his infamous last presser in Toronto.... Saying things like well we had to move anyways so may as well be Pittsburgh. I thought that was a weird thing to say.

I agree he did look nervous/awkward a bit. I don’t the bolded was particularly weird myself, just honest. I don’t think he was being casual about the location, but moreso the timeline. Like, we were done in Toronto, so we had to move one way or another. We can either do it now or in a year. He even made mention if he didn’t do it now, an opportunity like this isn’t garaunteed next year

 

[Osmows OReilly]

Leafs are a burning fire
Stay, 'cause then the cap grows higher
Shanny, don't let him overpay the UFAs
It's easy, easy
Kyle, this game can't last forever
Why we cannot sign for depth together?
Try, don't let him take your first round picks from me

You're no good, can't you see?
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Overpay, UFAs
Oh, Marner's only looking to me
Only max term breaks his heart
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Handshake line paradise
Oh, Matthews' only looking to me
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Oh, please overpay me
Oh, let it, Dubie, seven playoff exits
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Oh, doing what he's doing
So leave it, Dubie, 'cause Justin Holl's his lover

Stay, 'cause boy wonder wants to gamble
Stay, Kadri's more than he can handle, dude
Oh, Kerfoot, stay by me forever, ever
Why does he go on pretending
That half on four players is never ending
Dude, don't let him trade for Matt Murray

You're no good, can't you see?
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Overpay, UFAs
Oh, Marner's only looking to me
Only max term breaks his heart
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Handshake line paradise
Oh, Matthews' only looking to me
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Oh, please overpay me
Oh, let it, Dubie, seven playoff exits
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Oh, doing what he's doing
So leave it, Dubie, 'cause Justin Holl's his lover

Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Oh, please overpay me
Oh, let it, Dubie, seven playoff exits
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Oh, doing what he's doing
So leave it, Dubie, 'cause Justin Holl's his lover
Brother Dubie, Dubie
Oh, he's only trading for me
Oh, let it, Dubie—

 

[myleafs]

But depth gets you through a bad matchup series .. we just don't have any .. Kuch has had some bad rounds in his playoff career and Tampa has won .. same with Lafleur .. same with Lemieux .. it happens a ton in playoffs where a team shuts down a player with a high low trap game and other guys need to produce .. we are far too easy a team to shutdown .. basically you shutdown Matty and Willy and we are finished .. JT can't keep up and Mitch has no shot (aka they can't do it themselves)

All of our guys disappear at the same time. We can maybe handle 2 of em not showing up but not all of them. And the only way your really gonna upgrade the depth the way your saying is to move 1-2 of the big contracts. If 2 of those big 4 show up when needed we arent having the conversation about depth.

 

[Sypher04]

I find it a little odd that Calgary put stipulations on Treliving’s draft participation and yet Dubas’ conference in Pittsburgh seems to indicate we didn’t do the same

 

[TheDoldrums]

I need more Leafs political cartoons in my life lol

 

[The Masters]

In the end Dubas was like some of our players - entitled, talked about only Toronto but needed top dollar and a higher up position without having earned it, immature and arrogant

 

[DarkKnight]

I agree he did look nervous/awkward a bit. I don’t the bolded was particularly weird myself, just honest. I don’t think he was being casual about the location, but moreso the timeline. Like, we were done in Toronto, so we had to move one way or another. We can either do it now or in a year. He even made mention if he didn’t do it now, an opportunity like this isn’t garaunteed next year

Thought the same it was very awkward and he seemed to be knocked down a peg or two with how he was delivering the message.

 

[The Masters]

 

[myleafs]

Schenn can't do it for a full season though.

Schenn exceeded what I thought he would bring to the table which is great but at his age and his play the last several years etc can he keep up that kind of pace that he had in the playoffs over a full season?

 

[The Masters]

wendell ftw

 

[myleafs]

Kyle only ever thinks of himself and whatever he can do to make himself look better.

Was such a different vibe from Treliving to Dubas during their presser. Dubas went out of his way not to say Toronto or Leafs as much as he could "saying my previous post" where Trevling acknowledged his former employer (flames) and had good things to say about them while also praising Dubas. I was happy to see Shanny take the high road and go out of his way to say nice things about Kyle. One side of the equation was classy and professional while the other side was immature IMO.

 

[myleafs]

I’m actually wondering if Treliving-Calgary-Shanahan-Toronto and Dubas-Fenway was not a simultaneous divorce, remarriage type situation.

With Bettman as the marriage councillor

 

[Tak7]

One thing that doesn't work out with the Leafs model is that if an injury occurs in the playoff, that's a huge % of your payroll not contributing to you winning.

Spreading it around a little bit can go a long way.

While I'm generally a fan of spending big on your stars, I completely agree with you.

If you throw all your chips at a few horses, and just one of them goes down, you're fighting with one hand tied behind your back.

Winning this time of year is all about getting contributions through the bottom of your lineup - look at how valuable Vegas' bottom 6 has been in getting them to the final

Ok so that still leaves them 8 million Plus the extra forward to spend on improvement.
how much did they spend in their top 4 paid forwards in the interest in fair comparison

35%

 

[rocketman588]

They have tons of flexibility over the next 2 years. All 2 players are signed past that.

Next year they have like 14+ million and some ELCs to fill out the roster.

I think that is flexibility.



Dubas should have tanked.

We have 13 million with 14 players on the roster and have to at a minimum sign a number one goalie and a top 6 FW

Even if we get them for 3 mil a year on avg that's 7 mil to sign 4 FWs and at least one Dman

If Murray doesn't agree to go on LTIR then it's even sketchier

Not to mention our D right now is

Brodie-Morgan
McCabe-Lily
Gio-Timmins

Which has a lot of question marks on it especially when you consider Keefe has used Lily horrifically for two years and that gio might retire.

That's no flexibility at all. While Lou gave Kyle enough flexibility to make JT realistic.

That's even before the contract stuff and no moment clauses that kick up due to Dubas's mismanagement where we have no control because they're all UFAs Instead of RFAs

If you're asking any GM what situation they would find easier to deal with all of them would say the one that Dubas got given.

He made it difficult for himself in the long term by overpaying every one of his stars

You think it’s reasonable to go from 30th in 2016 to have used the ELC’s productively by the time Lou left in 2018? Like we should have won a cup?

He thinks Kyle Dubas is a God so you're never going to convince him

 

[rocketman588]

32 Thoughts: The real question facing new Maple Leafs GM Brad Treliving

Will Ryan Smith bring a team to Salt Lake City? What's next on the Senators' ownership timeline? And what will be the fallout from the Brad Treliving and Kyle Dubas hirings? Elliotte Friedman has that and more in this edition of 32 Thoughts.

www.sportsnet.ca

3. This has been a superb spring for NHL conspiracy theories. The latest: that this is what Kyle Dubas, Brendan Shanahan, Brad Treliving, the Pittsburgh Penguins and Toronto Maple Leafs wanted for months. Dubas made the decision on Tuesday night / Wednesday morning to accept the Penguins job, and there were immediate changes in the organization as the transition began. He made it clear that he will keep the GM job into July, but make no mistake, he will not be ceding the role even if someone else gets the title. Dubas could have taken a slight step back, as there were several teams who reached out about joining them in advisory positions — either short-term or with the idea of an eventual bigger position. But he dove into deep waters. The most interesting reaction to his move is how many people thought it was very “personal,” how other execs think he is driven to immediately prove Toronto made a mistake. 

4. Dubas talked about a “progressive” hire as GM. The Penguins discussed using these titles strategically, knowing that if they want to hire someone from another organization, a promotion will be mandatory. Could "progressive" mean the first female GM in NHL history? The Maple Leafs would not discuss what agreements they made with Dubas in regards to taking anyone to Pennsylvania with him. Toronto will do what it can to keep assistant GM Brandon Pridham. One to watch: director of amateur scouting Wes Clark.

Needs to prove the organization that offered him 20 million dollars and a private jet after one playoff series win wrong because they wouldn't make him the highest paid GM in the league by 2 million a year and fire his supervisor.

Also Wes Clark is basically a Dubas Stan. Lou canned him for going into the locker room after he told him not to. Perfect fit for Dubas we can do significantly better then him. Not like we've drafted well

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Leafs are a burning fire
Stay, 'cause then the cap grows higher
Shanny, don't let him overpay the UFAs
It's easy, easy
Kyle, this game can't last forever
Why we cannot sign for depth together?
Try, don't let him take your first round picks from me

You're no good, can't you see?
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Overpay, UFAs
Oh, Marner's only looking to me
Only max term breaks his heart
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Handshake line paradise
Oh, Matthews' only looking to me
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Oh, please overpay me
Oh, let it, Dubie, seven playoff exits
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Oh, doing what he's doing
So leave it, Dubie, 'cause Justin Holl's his lover

Stay, 'cause boy wonder wants to gamble
Stay, Kadri's more than he can handle, dude
Oh, Kerfoot, stay by me forever, ever
Why does he go on pretending
That half on four players is never ending
Dude, don't let him trade for Matt Murray

You're no good, can't you see?
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Overpay, UFAs
Oh, Marner's only looking to me
Only max term breaks his heart
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Handshake line paradise
Oh, Matthews' only looking to me
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Oh, please overpay me
Oh, let it, Dubie, seven playoff exits
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Oh, doing what he's doing
So leave it, Dubie, 'cause Justin Holl's his lover

Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Oh, please overpay me
Oh, let it, Dubie, seven playoff exits
Brother Dubie, Dubie, Dubie
Oh, doing what he's doing
So leave it, Dubie, 'cause Justin Holl's his lover
Brother Dubie, Dubie
Oh, he's only trading for me
Oh, let it, Dubie—

I don't think the North Americans know this song, but I do. Well done!

 

[geo25]

I’m actually wondering if Treliving-Calgary-Shanahan-Toronto and Dubas-Fenway was not a simultaneous divorce, remarriage type situation.

That is a very thought provoking take....hmmm....it makes too much sense...

 

[authentic]

Schenn exceeded what I thought he would bring to the table which is great but at his age and his play the last several years etc can he keep up that kind of pace that he had in the playoffs over a full season?

There's no real gamble with Schenn though. He doesn't make enough money anyway

 

[myleafs]

There's no real gamble with Schenn though. He doesn't make enough money anyway

True

 

[hockeywiz542]

Brad Treliving talks Toronto Maple Leafs

NHL Network

June 2, 2023

Brad Treliving has been hired as general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs following the departure of Kyle Dubas. He joined NHL Tonight to talk about the position.

 

[Dayjobdave]

Listening to Treliving I like what I hear. A more physical, more aggressive and playoff worthy team, good sense of humour, doesn't act like he has all the answers....

Toronto could do worse than not having 3/4 of the league automatically rooting for us to fail.

 

[Stephen]

He was never a leafs fan in any case so he's definitely not now



Needs to prove the organization that offered him 20 million dollars and a private jet after one playoff series win wrong because they wouldn't make him the highest paid GM in the league by 2 million a year and fire his supervisor.

Also Wes Clark is basically a Dubas Stan. Lou canned him for going into the locker room after he told him not to. Perfect fit for Dubas we can do significantly better then him. Not like we've drafted well

A little theory of mine. Sheldon Keefe’s time in Toronto will run down eventually. Dubas and GM will butt heads with Mike Sullivan and Sullivan will get turfed. Keefe resurfaces in Pittsburgh. Maybe we go after Mike Sullivan.

 

[rocketman588]

Listening to Treliving I like what I hear. A more physical, more aggressive and playoff worthy team, good sense of humour, doesn't act like he has all the answers....

Toronto could do worse than not having 3/4 of the league automatically rooting for us to fail.

Seems to have respect and relationships with the other GMs as well

Way better then having half our waived players picked up solely as troll moves because half the GMs think Dubas is a clown

A little theory of mine. Sheldon Keefe’s time in Toronto will run down eventually. Dubas and GM will butt heads with Mike Sullivan and Sullivan will get turfed. Keefe resurfaces in Pittsburgh. Maybe we go after Mike Sullivan.

I will not be shocked if Sullivan leaves pre season tbh

Dubas hasn't really shown that he can work with others that may try to wield power.

He basically ruined babs career with the media leak blitz after they got rid of him ( although he got fat stacks on the way out). Maybe Sullivan sees the leafs job or even the rangers as a good opportunity

 

[Stephen]

Listening to Treliving I like what I hear. A more physical, more aggressive and playoff worthy team, good sense of humour, doesn't act like he has all the answers....

Toronto could do worse than not having 3/4 of the league automatically rooting for us to fail.

Treliving comes across as a good pro with a good head on his shoulders. Personable and a little corny in a dad joke kind of way. Clear headed to understand the challenges ahead and tackling them one step at a time. Smart enough to tackle the people piece before the money piece. Turning down the heat on the Leafs organization: if this whole project was on overdrive to deliver on the previous GM’s timeline, things can now settle down and breathe a little.

 

[Stephen]

I will not be shocked if Sullivan leaves pre season tbh

Dubas hasn't really shown that he can work with others that may try to wield power.

He basically ruined babs career with the media leak blitz after they got rid of him. Maybe Sullivan sees the leafs job or even the rangers as a good opportunity

Duboss. As they call him in Pittsburgh. Seems to have strong relationships with those serving under him or green horns hired under his watch. He absolutely takes care of his people. Which is an admirable trait for leadership.

Where things get complicated is when he has to coexist with other established hockey people. Doesn’t seem to end well for his adversaries. They all seem to be tarred and feathered for incompetent out of date thinking. Lou, Babs, Hunter. Shanny now.