Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

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I don't actually mind Rielly-Schenn for a top-4 pairing next year. Just need to bring in a good name on D to complete another good top-4 pairing and all of a sudden the D is starting to look solid.

I'm thinking you can trade the last year of Brodie to help this acquisition. I don't mind McCabe but I think he will function best as the complimentary guy on a pairing.

I wouldn’t mind moving on from Brodie. But I wonder if Teliving will elect to keep him due to their history in the past. I think he’s showing visible decline and if we could clear cap and get a modest futures return that would be ideal.
 

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I am not sure it makes it all that more difficult. People want cap space, sign them or trade them, cap is very, very, very valuable on these boards.

I'd rather that issue than the bad contracts Lou left.
Lou? What contracts are left in TOR that Lou signed? Might as well mention Nonis and Fletcher (2.0) while we are discussing errors...
 

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Rielly-Schenn is a great pairing, you got physical play and the transition game, and you can start them in either zone. Mccabe-Lil is like a pared down version of that pairing, you also got physical and transition play and given enough time I think the two will gel.

Which leaves Gio-Brodie. As great as that pairing was 4 years ago, now it's a soft, slow pairing that will have trouble getting the puck out. Would be great to upgrade that one.
I think we need a new top pair that moves everyone down and others out.
Like Holl, Gio and possibly Brodie.

So:
1. New Group
2. Rielly - Schenn
3. McCabe - Lily/Other Depth
 
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The best he did was hyman..

I guess we cant be negative about holl and bunting they did give their seasons and were the cheap finds.. but yeah i want better
Leafs acquired Hyman in 2015. Dubas wasn't GM then. And i view that as a different case as Hyman wasn't going to sign in Florida regardless so they were looking to move him.

Bunting was definitely a good get, but him being a Toronto boy definitely helped getting him here.
 
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Lou 2 - Hunter 1 - Dubas Zero.
The Matthews draft was a gimme... zero thought required on that pic, hard to even count it as anything other than sheer luck. I give most credit to the Marner pick as most people wanted Hanifin.

To be fair to Dubas... Knies looks like a star, and picked in the late 2nd round it looks like absolute genius. He was arguably our best forward in one or two of those playoff games and was already dominating in some aspects against a championship caliber team.
 

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I don't actually mind Rielly-Schenn for a top-4 pairing next year. Just need to bring in a good name on D to complete another good top-4 pairing and all of a sudden the D is starting to look solid.

I'm thinking you can trade the last year of Brodie to help this acquisition. I don't mind McCabe but I think he will function best as the complimentary guy on a pairing.
I think so too .. he will make our D bigger and faster .. Rielly and Schenner are gonna be part of it .. after that I am not sure .. but expect he will keep Lily as his development has been off da charts good .. and expect he will play Gio much less .. Brodie likely gone .. Timmer too .. could see McCabe on 3rd pair continuing to develop Lily

2 New Guys
Rielly Schenner
McCabe Lily
Gio as 7th
 
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This idea that Lou left a mess for Dubas is comical. Sure he made some errors, guess what the Dube did as well. He’s also the guy that traded the “unmoveable” Phaneuf boat anchor and managed to do things like get a second rounder for Polak twice. I was fine Dubas taking over, Lou was getting old, I wanted to wait one more year and let him do the contracts, then out the door. People love to parse out things that fit their partisan narratives, but the fact of the matter is if you review both their tenures, I’m hard pressed to see this glaring gap in competence. Foligno is every bit as bad a deal as Marleau, you can argue this stuff all day. I just find it amusing the way these basement warriors rip the shit out of Hall of Fame GM’s, coaches, when the guys they defend have accomplished sweet f*** all in the end.

Dubas inherited a fantastic gig, as Treliving said yesterday the hardest part is acquiring top end talent, Dubas walked in after the “pain”, with young studs to build around any organization would have killed for. All the Dubist spin doesn’t change that.

I will say again, to show I’m pragmatic, I voted for Dubas to return, I felt he had grown well into the job, his past mistakes and philosophical failings modified enough for me to say bring him back. That said, the way he handled the last few weeks, I couldn’t be more happy we turfed his entitled, narcissistic, duplicitous self. The new guy looks on par, we won’t miss a beat.
 
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Leafs acquired Hyman in 2015. Dubas wasn't GM then. And i view that as a different case as Hyman wasn't going to sign in Florida regardless so they were looking to move him.

Bunting was definitely a good get, but him being a Toronto boy definitely helped getting him here.
I think dubas was the guy that spearheaded that though

This idea that Lou left a mess for Dubas is comical. Sure he made some errors, guess what the Dube did as well. He’s also the guy that traded the “unmoveable” Phaneuf boat anchor and managed to do things like get a second rounder for Polak twice. I was fine Dubas taking over, Lou was getting old, I wanted to wait one more year and let him do the contracts, then out the door. People love to parse out things that fit their partisan narratives, but the fact of the matter is if you review both their tenures, I’m hard pressed to see this glaring gap in competence. Foligno is every bit as bad a deal as Marleau, you can argue this stuff all day. I just find it amusing the way these basement warriors rip the shit out of Hall of Fame GM’s, coaches, when the guys they defend have accomplished sweet f*** all in the end.

Dubas inherited his a fantastic gig, as Treliving said yesterday the hardest part is acquiring top end talent, Dubas walked in after the “pain”, with young studs to build around any organization would have killed for. All the Dubist spin doesn’t change that.

I will say again, to show I’m pragmatic, I voted for Dubas to return, I felt he had grown well into the job, his past mistakes and philosophical failings modified enough for me to say bring him back. That said, the way he handled the last few weeks, I couldn’t be more happy we turfed his entitled, narcissisti, duplicitous self. The new guy looks on par, we won’t miss a beat.
Amen
 

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I think people are forgetting how valuable TJ Brodie has been to this defensive core, he's been one of the best defensive defenseman in the NHL since he signed his deal. One playoff run shouldn't outshine 3 years of high end work

If you let him go you need to replace his production with someone comparable
 

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Just re-sign Schenn.

Rielly played some great hockey this playoffs and Schenn was a steadying force that played at a controlled pace and didn't make many mistakes.

Interesting that Treliving actually brought up Schenn's name in the press conference and said he's known him for awhile.
Schenn can't do it for a full season though.
 

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The first thing Treliving did during his conference was thank everyone associated with the Flames organization. That little dweeb didn’t thank anyone in the Leaf organization during his conference yesterday. Not a classy move by someone who owes everything to the team that put their faith in him despite being raw. Already see the difference in class between Dubas and Treliving.
Kyle only ever thinks of himself and whatever he can do to make himself look better.
 

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Montour was found at Value Village.

Pietrangelo was also signed as a UFA, and apparently had interest in coming to Toronto (and would have been the best dman this team has had in like 30+ years), but due to our cap mismanagement we didn't have enough capspace to even remotely entertain the idea.

Hamilton was a UFA the year before too, also from Toronto, and very well could have had interest in coming here.

It's hard to find legit quality dmen, but the opportunities have been there - we've just missed them either due to lack of capspace (eg Pietrangelo, Hamilton, etc) or inability of our scouting staff to identify high quality buy low candidates who were available for relatively cheap trade value (eg Montour, H. Lindholm, D. Toews, Forsling, etc).

When you spend as much as we do on off-ice scouting/management, its reasonable to expect us to find the buy low candidates more frequently.
 

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Dubas talked about a “progressive” hire as GM. The Penguins discussed using these titles strategically, knowing that if they want to hire someone from another organization, a promotion will be mandatory. Could "progressive" mean the first female GM in NHL history? The Maple Leafs would not discuss what agreements they made with Dubas in regards to taking anyone to Pennsylvania with him. Toronto will do what it can to keep assistant GM Brandon Pridham. One to watch: director of amateur scouting Wes Clark.

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Dubas has obviously left the franchise in a better position than Lou did, and the league situation he'll face is also much easier to navigate. It's not even debatable.
Hopefully Treliving doesn't screw it up.
Lol

Lou had far more post season success on the island sans JT then Kyle did with generational talents on ELCs 😂

Hiring Dubas was the mistake many of us said it was. Eat your crow like a big boy :)
 

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Pietrangelo was also signed as a UFA, and apparently had interest in coming to Toronto (and would have been the best dman this team has had in like 30+ years), but due to our cap mismanagement we didn't have enough capspace to even remotely entertain the idea.

Hamilton was a UFA the year before too, also from Toronto, and very well could have had interest in coming here.

It's hard to find legit quality dmen, but the opportunities have been there - we've just missed them either due to lack of capspace (eg Pietrangelo, Hamilton, etc) or inability of our scouting staff to identify high quality buy low candidates who were available for relatively cheap trade value (eg Montour, H. Lindholm, D. Toews, Forsling, etc).

When you spend as much as we do on off-ice scouting/management, its reasonable to expect us to find the buy low candidates more frequently.

Yep agreed. The Dubas era Leafs did not go after available to end defensemen whenever they hit the market. The cap structure of the team didn’t allow for it and they liked too many middle class pieces like Brodie, Holl and Kerfoot, with bad contracts like Muzzin and Murray from really getting aggressive with getting blue chip blue liners.
 

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I wouldn’t mind moving on from Brodie. But I wonder if Teliving will elect to keep him due to their history in the past. I think he’s showing visible decline and if we could clear cap and get a modest futures return that would be ideal.
Remember Treliving already once let Brodie walk as a UFA at the end of the 2019-20 season, which was 3 seasons ago. Leafs signed him as UFA $5 mil X 4 years.

He signed dman Chris Tanev from Vancouver for $4.5 mil AAV X 4 years as UFA instead.
 

yubbers

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Reily had a career year playing with Hainsey. A solid stay at home guy you can rely on that let Morgan roam. Then Dubas waived him to give Morgan Codi Ceci 😂

Schenn is a good fit for Morgan. Definitely keep him.
 
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Lou had far more post season success on the island sans JT then Kyle did with generational talents on ELCs
I'm not sure what you incorrectly attributing the NYI's playoff outcomes to Lou has to do with what he did and left here. By the time Dubas took over, Nylander's ELC was done, and Matthews/Marner only had one year left. If you're looking for who wasted our star's ELCs, it's Lou.
 

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Remember Treliving already once let Brodie walk as a UFA at the end of the 2019-20 season, which was 3 seasons ago. Leafs signed him as UFA $5 mil X 4 years.

He signed dman Chris Tanev from Vancouver for $4.5 mil AAV X 4 years as UFA instead.

I also remember Treliving almost fleeced Toronto with a Brodie for Kadri trade that was mixed by Naz himself.
 

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3. This has been a superb spring for NHL conspiracy theories. The latest: that this is what Kyle Dubas, Brendan Shanahan, Brad Treliving, the Pittsburgh Penguins and Toronto Maple Leafs wanted for months. Dubas made the decision on Tuesday night / Wednesday morning to accept the Penguins job, and there were immediate changes in the organization as the transition began. He made it clear that he will keep the GM job into July, but make no mistake, he will not be ceding the role even if someone else gets the title. Dubas could have taken a slight step back, as there were several teams who reached out about joining them in advisory positions — either short-term or with the idea of an eventual bigger position. But he dove into deep waters. The most interesting reaction to his move is how many people thought it was very “personal,” how other execs think he is driven to immediately prove Toronto made a mistake. 

4. Dubas talked about a “progressive” hire as GM. The Penguins discussed using these titles strategically, knowing that if they want to hire someone from another organization, a promotion will be mandatory. Could "progressive" mean the first female GM in NHL history?
The Maple Leafs would not discuss what agreements they made with Dubas in regards to taking anyone to Pennsylvania with him. Toronto will do what it can to keep assistant GM Brandon Pridham. One to watch: director of amateur scouting Wes Clark.
 

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Lou? What contracts are left in TOR that Lou signed? Might as well mention Nonis and Fletcher (2.0) while we are discussing errors...

For the Record: There are no current Leaf contracts that don't have Kyle Dubas name on them as the signing GM.

Lou Lamoriello has left our new GM Treliving a franchise #1C Auston Matthews, and Leafs potential goalie of the future Joseph Woll and young Dman Timothy Liljegren on D as solid building blocks from his 2 drafts as Leafs GM. :wg:

I sure Brad is quite pleased with that.
 
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“The most interesting reaction to his move is how many people thought it was very “personal,” how other execs think he is driven to immediately prove Toronto made a mistake. “
What a beauty this guy is turning out to be. Said he wouldn’t put his family through exactly what he did out of pure ego. He looks more and more like a fraud, just a master linguistic bullshit artist. Seriously.
 

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