Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

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Do his years in Calgary not count? Or are we pretending every GM is potentially amazing here?
Oh we're comparing the Flames to the Leafs. If Treiv managed to win a single playoff round being gifted 3 Top 10 in the league talents on ELCS then they'd be comparable :)

It's getting quite tiresome listening to ppl pretend Dubas had success. We have eyes you know. LOL
 

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There were a few others confirmed, I personally think Doug Wilson would have been the favourite if he was healthy enough to do the job. But it doesn’t sound like he’s ready to come out of retirement

okay. then i feel a bit better about this then.
thank you :)
 
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Anyways... I have posted a few comments already, but here is my two cents:

Treliving is not the worst option out there. His record in Calgary seems to be best characterized as "mixed," which is to say that there is some good, but there is also some bad:

Trades

Both Hamilton trades were really good (acquiring him for a mid-1st and then returning both Lindholm and Hanifin a few years later) as was the Toffoli deal with Montreal (late 1st plus B-prospect) and, while the Tkachuk trade turned out bad, the return was solid for a player who wanted out (#1C, top-4D, 1st rounder).

On the other hand, he's had some stinkers. Sam Bennett for a 2nd rounder seemed alright at the time, but amounts to very little when you look at how Bennett has blossomed in Florida. The 12th overall pick (used to select Noah Dobson) and two 2nds for Travis Hamonic is also pretty rough in hindsight as is trading a 2nd (used to select Jordan Kyrou) and 3rd for one year of below average goaltending from Brian Elliott. For some reason, Treliving also decided to acquire Nick Ritchie last year.

Drafting

I am not familiar with Calgary's prospect pool and don't feel like spending the time to get familiarized, but it isn't rated highly. That is somewhat concerning given that the Flames have not exactly been a contending team over Treliving's near-decade at the helm: they had only two seasons with more than 100 points.

On the other hand, he has found some nice players outside the 1st round who are now contributing at the NHL level: Rasmus Andersson, Andrew Mangiapane, Adam Fox, and Dillon Dube. He is going to have a bigger budget and scouting team in Toronto. Here is hoping he can use those extra resources smartly.

Free Agents and Contracts

This is my biggest concern with Treliving. Huberdeau was given a $10.5M contract before even putting on a Flames sweater, Kadri is signed to a $7M deal until he's 38, and even a guy like Coleman is making $4.9M until he's 35, well beyond the years that guys like him start to decline (see: Simmonds, Wayne).

Beyond the current roster, Treliving also has a claim to some worst deals signed in the last decade: Troy Brouwer was given a $4M/4y despite being 31yo when signed and having a career high of only 43 points, and James Neal was given $5.75M/5y despite also being 31 and in clear decline.

One of the best things that Dubas did was avoid giving big money to a middling player on the back end of his career. If Treliving hasn't learned his lesson, then it is only a matter of time before we end up with another Clarkson situation.

Overall

Treliving has been GM of the Flames for nine years: He's missed the playoffs in four of them. If he had some sort of magic formula to build a winner, he certainly hasn't shown it. At the same time, there are positives in his record, in particular his trades (something that may be particularly relevant for us). I see no reason to be optimistic about him, but I also don't think his hiring portends impending disaster. He's not Peter Chiarelli or Marc Bergevin.

Is "meh" good enough? Maybe. We have seen more than a few objectively bad teams go on hot streaks at just the right time and end up in the Conference and Cup Finals. Perhaps we see that happen with this much more talented group. On the other hand, Shanahan put this franchise in a difficult spot: We once chased the biggest names in the business. Now we have been forced to rapidly hire from a mediocre cast of whoever is available. That plainly sucks.
 
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So we can talk about his "experience" and how he made big trades but we can't talk about his flubs? That's dumb. He's taking over as GM. His past is absolutely relevant in regards to trying to figure out how he might manage this team going forward.
Yeah tell me all about what's dumb.
 

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Anyways... I have posted a few comments already, but here is my two cents:

Treliving is not the worst option out there. His record in Calgary seems to be best characterized as "mixed," which is to say that there is some good, but there is also some bad:

Trades

Both Hamilton trades were really good (acquiring him for a mid-1st and then returning both Lindholm and Hanifin a few years later) as was the Toffoli deal with Montreal (late 1st plus B-prospect) and, while the Tkachuk trade turned out bad, the return was solid for a player who wanted out (#1C, top-4D, 1st rounder).

On the other hand, he's had some stinkers. Sam Bennett for a 2nd rounder seemed alright at the time, but amounts to very little when you look at how Bennett has blossomed in Florida. The 12th overall pick (used to select Noah Dobson) and two 2nds for Travis Hamonic is also pretty rough in hindsight as is trading a 2nd (used to select Jordan Kyrou) and 3rd for one year of below average goaltending from Brian Elliott. For some reason, Treliving also decided to acquire Nick Ritchie last year.

Drafting

I am not familiar with Calgary's prospect pool and don't feel like spending the time to get familiarized, but it isn't rated highly. That is somewhat concerning given that the Flames have not exactly been a contending team over Treliving's near-decade at the helm: they had only two seasons with more than 100 points.

On the other hand, he has found some nice players outside the 1st round who are now contributing at the NHL level: Rasmus Andersson, Andrew Mangiapane, Adam Fox, and Dillon Dube. He is going to have a bigger budget and scouting team in Toronto. Here is hoping he can use those extra resources smartly.

Free Agents and Contracts

This is my biggest concern with Treliving. Huberdeau was given a $10.5M contract before even putting on a Flames sweater, Kadri is signed to a $7M deal until he's 38, and even a guy like Coleman is making $4.9M until he's 35, well beyond the years that guys like him start to decline (see: Simmonds, Wayne).

Beyond the current roster, Treliving also has a claim to some worst deals signed in the last decade: Troy Brouwer was given a $4M/4y despite being 31yo when signed and having a career high of only 43 points, and James Neal was given $5.75M/5y despite also being 31 and in clear decline.

One of the best things that Dubas did was avoid giving big money to a middling player on the back end of his career. If Treliving hasn't learned his lesson, then it is only a matter of time before we end up with another Clarkson situation.

Overall

Treliving has been GM of the Flames for nine years: He's missed the playoffs in four of them. If he had some sort of magic formula to build a winner, he certainly hasn't shown it. At the same time, there are positives in his record, in particular his trades (something that may be particularly relevant for us). I see no reason to be optimistic about him, but I also don't think his hiring portends impending disaster. He's not Peter Chiarelli or Marc Bergevin.

Is "meh" good enough? Maybe. We have seen more than a few objectively bad teams go on hot streaks at just the right time and end up in the Conference and Cup Finals. Perhaps we see that happen with this much more talented group. On the other hand, Shanahan put this franchise in a difficult spot: We once chased the biggest names in the business. Now we have been forced to rapidly hire from a mediocre cast of whoever is available. That plainly sucks.
After typing all that you throw in a "meh"?

Also define "objectively bad teams".
 

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Anyways... I have posted a few comments already, but here is my two cents:

Treliving is not the worst option out there. His record in Calgary seems to be best characterized as "mixed," which is to say that there is some good, but there is also some bad:

Trades

Both Hamilton trades were really good (acquiring him for a mid-1st and then returning both Lindholm and Hanifin a few years later) as was the Toffoli deal with Montreal (late 1st plus B-prospect) and, while the Tkachuk trade turned out bad, the return was solid for a player who wanted out (#1C, top-4D, 1st rounder).

On the other hand, he's had some stinkers. Sam Bennett for a 2nd rounder seemed alright at the time, but amounts to very little when you look at how Bennett has blossomed in Florida. The 12th overall pick (used to select Noah Dobson) and two 2nds for Travis Hamonic is also pretty rough in hindsight as is trading a 2nd (used to select Jordan Kyrou) and 3rd for one year of below average goaltending from Brian Elliott. For some reason, Treliving also decided to acquire Nick Ritchie last year.

Drafting

I am not familiar with Calgary's prospect pool and don't feel like spending the time to get familiarized, but it isn't rated highly. That is somewhat concerning given that the Flames have not exactly been a contending team over Treliving's near-decade at the helm: they had only two seasons with more than 100 points.

On the other hand, he has found some nice players outside the 1st round who are now contributing at the NHL level: Rasmus Andersson, Andrew Mangiapane, Adam Fox, and Dillon Dube. He is going to have a bigger budget and scouting team in Toronto. Here is hoping he can use those extra resources smartly.

Free Agents and Contracts

This is my biggest concern with Treliving. Huberdeau was given a $10.5M contract before even putting on a Flames sweater, Kadri is signed to a $7M deal until he's 38, and even a guy like Coleman is making $4.9M until he's 35, well beyond the years that guys like him start to decline (see: Simmonds, Wayne).

Beyond the current roster, Treliving also has a claim to some worst deals signed in the last decade: Troy Brouwer was given a $4M/4y despite being 31yo when signed and having a career high of only 43 points, and James Neal was given $5.75M/5y despite also being 31 and in clear decline.

One of the best things that Dubas did was avoid giving big money to a middling player on the back end of his career. If Treliving hasn't learned his lesson, then it is only a matter of time before we end up with another Clarkson situation.

Overall

Treliving has been GM of the Flames for nine years: He's missed the playoffs in four of them. If he had some sort of magic formula to build a winner, he certainly hasn't shown it. At the same time, there are positives in his record, in particular his trades (something that may be particularly relevant for us). I see no reason to be optimistic about him, but I also don't think his hiring portends impending disaster. He's not Peter Chiarelli or Marc Bergevin.

Is "meh" good enough? Maybe. We have seen more than a few objectively bad teams go on hot streaks at just the right time and end up in the Conference and Cup Finals. Perhaps we see that happen with this much more talented group. On the other hand, Shanahan put this franchise in a difficult spot: We once chased the biggest names in the business. Now we have been forced to rapidly hire from a mediocre cast of whoever is available. That plainly sucks.

In fairness I think the only flaw with your assessment is that he had to over pay to get players to stay in Calgary. He likely won’t have that issue with Toronto. Toronto is a destination where players want to be now, so he won’t have to use money as the carrot to get free agents to sign.
 

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Yes, just the people who seem to care a lot about results don't seem to care too much right now.

I'd argue Dubas has better results.
The guy hasn't been announced for 12 hours yet, there are no results.

Dubas' best results were winning 5 games in the most recent playoffs in 5 years as the GM. If he can't better that, then "the results matter" crowd will be critical of him as well.
 

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But it wasnt just Huberdeau who had a problem with Sutter right? If im not mistaken I thought there were more than a few players during the exit interviews who wanted out if Sutter stayed and why Sutter got fired?
I’m sure Sutter is a huge dbag and pain to play for, but if a player wants 10m, they should be able to put points on the board even if the coach is literally the Babadook.
 

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I don't envy his job coming in. His hands are all but tied due to the position Dubas has left the team in going forward. His biggest trade chips all have NMCs/NTCs kicking in very soon and he has a depleted draft pick and futures pool to work with.

Here's hoping he can make chicken salad out of chicken s***.
 

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After typing all that you throw in a "meh"?

Also define "objectively bad teams".

Teams that may go on runs or even have decent regular seasons, but whose talent-level and underlying numbers don't match their on-ice success. A good example is the 2016-2017 Ottawa Senators: They missed the playoffs the year before, had a decent but not great 98-point season, and then went on a run that took them within one goal (ECF; Game 7 OT) of the Cup Finals. They actually allowed more goals than they scored throughout that year and the following year finished in the bottom 3 overall.
 

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Do you know why Tkachuk was able to leave so easily?


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He wanted a long-term deal, but those are reserved for over-the-hill vets.

I hope he does better here, I just don't see it.



Maybe not wanted it, but he had a choice because he didn't get the long-term contract he wanted.

Treliving created that whole mess himself.

He is one of the best of the terrible options available.
Shitting on everything already....downer man
 

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But it wasnt just Huberdeau who had a problem with Sutter right? If im not mistaken I thought there were more than a few players during the exit interviews who wanted out if Sutter stayed and why Sutter got fired?
I heard it was 16 players that said they didn't want Sutter back. A bunch of them wanting out but rescinded after Sutter was fired
 
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It’s not a bad position. Lots of cap space….holl and kerfoot are gone.
They have some young kids that need playing time and deserve to be up. Lilly is a top 4 d and Woll is a NHL goalie.
He has some contracts to get done and has a month to do it. The draft is basically set by our scouts and he is prepared too as he was a GM a month ago.

Leafs will be fine…and maybe better then ever with Knies…and McMann etc steeping up
 

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Matthew Tkachuk, and Johnny Gaudreau just laugh. This move has desperation written all over it. So, who will the coach be.

Matthews and Nylander are gone.
 
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