Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[ToDavid]

I thought Dubas was a GM who had the media wrapped around his finger

Sounds like Simmons has spent the last 5 years shitting all over Dubas and the team and as a result he's been on the outside looking in. He's probably hoping new GM means he's less of a pariah. I'm hoping Treliving can smell his bullshit from a mile away.

 

[Stephen]

I want to see Jonas do a cover of Sinead O’Connor’s “Nothing Compares to Dube.”

 

[Nineteen67]

Its more of whats your number and term. Here is our best offers. We need a commitment before NMC or we are trading.

If they want to hold all the cards even after being treated phenomenally they can get the hell out. Nobody else in the league got pampered and greased like them.

One of the problems, especially with AM, is they’ll want max dollar on a short term term deal. He doesn’t get to be a Leaf if he wants to be the highest paid player unless he signs for 8 yrs.
The Leafs have leverage if he starts to play hardball. Give him a deadline and if he doesn’t agree, sit him for the year. It won’t take many nights of him sitting in the press box to come around. If he walks out, even better.

 

[4thline]

I look forward to this actually. There's a middle ground between guys like Burke who talk about everything (remember when he used to whip the media into a frenzy about his self imposed holiday trade freeze?) and someone like Lou/Dubas who never spoke or allowed their staff too.

As a fan, yeah more information to gossip about without letting it hurt the org is nice.

As someone who hates Simmons, absolutely on brand that it's completely transparent that "better at the media game" translates to "gives me the time of day and validates my self-importance"

 

[al secord]

"data-curious"

I experimented a little in college. Didn't we all?

 

[Wendel17]

Idiots run Dubas out of town thinking they’d get better. Absolutely foolish and we will get what we deserve for acting like spoiled brats.

Who ran him out of town? All I'm hearing in the media is how awesome he was and how much he will be missed.

We went from one mediocre GM to another.

 

[yubbers]

I want to see Jonas do a Sinead O’Connor cover of “Nothing Compares to Dube.”

It's been 13 hours and 13 days......
Since you took your offer away.....

AHHH AH AHH AH

 

[hullsy47]

Glad we didn't hire Bergevin or Chiarelli, but not sure Treliving represents an upgrade on what we had before. Willing to be open minded about it.

To my mind, everything comes down to what happens with Matthews, but I doubt we get an answer to that particular question for some time.

The more I look at the huberdeau weeger deal
I think both would have been considered for team canada if their was an Olympic team
He didn't get fleeced .Tkachuk is playing great this year but that hasn't always been the norm .
In my books let's see what he can do
If he keeps the core but keeps tye contracts sane I ll be happy
If they wanna go let's see what he gets
A 100 point huberdeau and 40 point top 3 defenseman would be a decent return for marner

 

[Martin Skoula]

One of the problems, especially with AM, is they’ll want max dollar on a short term term deal. He doesn’t get to be a Leaf if he wants to be the highest paid player unless he signs for 8 yrs.
The Leafs have leverage if he starts to play hardball. Give him a deadline and if he doesn’t agree, sit him for the year. It won’t take many nights of him sitting in the press box to come around. If he walks out, even better.

So you’re going to throw a competitive season in our prime window, scare off all future UFAs, get investigated and fined by the NHLPA, all so you can have the privilege of paying Matthews 13 mil when he’s 35? It would be unacceptable for you to pay him that amount until he’s 32 instead, we really need those high paid 33-35 seasons from a guy with a chronic wrist issue who’s skating is starting to slow down.

 

[hoglund]

I wish him good luck and hope that he can help improve our team.

 

[Smif]

Idiots run Dubas out of town thinking they’d get better. Absolutely foolish and we will get what we deserve for acting like spoiled brats.

He ran himself out of town imo.

 

[francis246]

from what i heard - a lot of the stuff in Calgary was forced because the players he had to trade didnt want to be in Canada so whatever.

my issue with this is what my issue was with Dubas whatever years ago now - did you even interview other people? does he have different ways of thinking (because everyone having the same thought process is not good). like. the ONLY named that was mentioned was Treliving, so like.. ... i don't know.

whatever. just... do well.

There were a few others confirmed, I personally think Doug Wilson would have been the favourite if he was healthy enough to do the job. But it doesn’t sound like he’s ready to come out of retirement

 

[notbias]

What is that supposed to mean? Don't you think results matter?

Yes, just the people who seem to care a lot about results don't seem to care too much right now.

I'd argue Dubas has better results.

 

[AvroArrow]

Thank god he’s finally on a team where ownership would NEVER meddle or force him to keep a coach over financial concerns. We’re just incredibly lucky we found the one guy who sees the same value in Keefe that Shanny and MLSE does.

Woosh, point went right over your head. People brought up those trades in Calgary and said look he f***ed those up, when in reality ownership forced it by forcing him to keep Sutter.

In simple terms, Tkachuk/Gaudreau walking are directly because Calgary ownership didn't want to get rid of Sutter. Now i'm not saying he's a great GM or anything, but I don't know how someone logical can blame him for those. Or for Adam Fox openly saying I won't play anywhere except for the New York Rangers.

 

[thusk]

He would have to sign in advance with the paperwork being filed on the 1st.

Still a verbal agreement and nothing say he can change mind come july 1st... for me at the end, its the same thing

 

[ITM]

hence the "falling on his sword," perhaps Shanahan knows he's been part of the problem and does the honorable thing? All hypothetical, but I'd be happy none the less if Shanahan was gone gone gone...........

Still seems random, if you’re not demanding everyone and everything else associated with Shanahan including Treliving.

 

[myleafs]

Everyone deserves their chance.
Trust me, there will be plenty of time to bash it all at a later date if it doesn’t work.

yea its a bit bizarre to be totally off the rails negative already. Guy hasnt even been announced yet and some have declared the next 10 yrs to be the worst in leafs history. Settle down.

 

[yubbers]

He ran himself out of town imo.

Not an opinion. Fact. He had an offer ready for months. Got greedy. It's poetic really.

 

[myleafs]

Grass is greener syndrome.

I've read a lot of posters say something along the lines of "at least those guys played with heart, were a hard working team, etc".

Being the only team to not win a playoff round in x amount of years was FAR better than being the only team to not make the playoffs for the most years.


Dubas made some mistakes, but the majority of those came from his first year or two. Signing JT was a risk that didn't work out, but that's a very unique situation and its tough to pass on a PPG centre wanting to come to Toronto.

The Marner contract shouldve been avoided by agreeing to a deal the year before (8x8 was rumoured to be offered by Marner at the time)... He hadnt fully proved himself yet, but everybody knew the following year would very likely increase his demands. Like it or not, Matthews will likely set a new market high each time he signs a new contract (same as McDavid, Mackinnon, and other top 5 players).

Other than that, there's some questionable moves but fairly few egregious ones (no Foligno trade/Mrazek contract are not egregious... there's been far far worse across the league).

Dubas of today is significantly improved over Dubas from 3 years ago and he shows a willingness to alter his plans as necessary. I think Shannahan was right to have some pull over big decisions in the past, but wrong to not allow for Dubas to have more autonomy now.


I'll support Trev/whoever our new GM is, but there isn't a lot of quality candidates and there's a good chance we're downgrading.

So Dubas probaly learned and grew from his experience but Tre doesnt get the same consideration?

 

[Nineteen67]

Matthews, you keep if he's OK with 13x5. He won't be though. I'm predicting he's gonna ask for 14.5. I aid Matthews was gonna walk the minute they didn't give him the C over that stupid summer story. I predict this gets real ugly sadly

Marner I shop

WIlly is gonna ask for 10+ GUARANTEED so move him now while his value is high.

The damage is done with this core. They won't learn good habits together anymore imho. You need to split them up like children. LOL

13x5, where is the comparable?

 

[yubbers]

Yes, just the people who seem to care a lot about results don't seem to care too much right now.

I'd argue Dubas has better results.

You literally have nothing to compare it to yet. LOL.

 

[notbias]

You literally have nothing to compare it to yet. LOL.

Do his years in Calgary not count? Or are we pretending every GM is potentially amazing here?

 

[yubbers]

13x5 here is the comparable?

I'm saying that's the most I'm comfortable with. I have my doubts about Matty so I even flinch at that. But it's tough to walk away from a dude like that you drafted if his head is in the right place.

 

[authentic]

Who ran him out of town? All I'm hearing in the media is how awesome he was and how much he will be missed.

We went from one mediocre GM to another.

It's almost like the best GMs in the world don't just fall into your lap... And even then they will make moves you probably don't like

 

[myleafs]

FInally some sense. Agreed completely. And your point about Marner signing 8x8, that was Lou who rejected that deal as well. People say oh yeah Dubas got 20 year old stars, well he also was handcuffed with having to sign them without the ability to do so early, and also had to deal with Zaitsev contracts, a bottom 5 defense, and all of these other issues like Marleau he inherited.

Not to mention the players hated Babcock and wouldn't take a discount to play for him.


Leave out the regular season success which DOES matter. We were a damn good team under Dubas for 5 years and that matters.

We were already a pretty damn good team when he took over .