Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[WTFMAN99]

Murray gets paid 6 million in real dollars this year and 0 bonus so I don’t think AZ wants that.

Arizona will like the Muzzin contract after July 1st because his signing bonus is paid out. Arizona definitely wouldn't like Murray, sorry if that wasn't clear enough in the original post.

 

[notbias]

No but it's not the same as what 's starting With here.

If he can't make up that gap in 4 years, how is he going to do anything here?

 

[ITM]

would be great if he was announced as the new GM AND President of hockey Operations. Still hoping Shanahan falls on his sword at the next presser............

To both statements: Why?

 

[egd27]

what goes around comes around............

Can we still blame Lou for Marleau ?

Asking on behalf of several regular posters.

 

[fahad203]

But once those NMC kick in on July 1st the player has all the power. You either give in to their contract demands or they walk as UFA. Trading them becomes a whole lot more difficult as they control where they go, if they pull a Patrick Kane and say I will only accept a trade to Team X then don't expect team X to knock you socks off with an amazing offer. your option becomes a trade at less than fair value or a contract extension at probably more than fair value. those NMC were probably the worst part of those 2 contracts

Well at some point we are goign to get Tavares-ed
We have a lot of expiring contracts. That's how she goes

This has happend to Niderymyer, Parise, Tavares, Chara

Or it could happened what transpiried with Barkov, Stamkos, Pstarnak

 

[Suntouchable13]

Shanahan is going by the Detroit Red Wings and Steve Yzerman schedule to win a cup. It took Stevie Y 14 seasons in Detroit to finally hoist Lord Stanley. Yzerman was doing the same thing in Tampa by keeping all their best players and rearranging the depth pieces and low and behold Stamkos after 13 years with Tampa wins a cup.

Patience folks.

Except Stamkos, Kuch, Vasi at least went to a cup final in 2015. And ECF in 2018. What has our core shown? 5 wins in the playoffs is the high benchmark.

 

[ToDavid]

Leafs currently have only $9,143,550 in free cap space available.. With 11 positions and < $10 mil in free cap = $831k per player on average to replace. (League minimum salary 2023-24 = $775,000)

Getting Murray's $4.67 mil off the books via trade or buyout almost a must, and with a buyout saving $4 mil next year that could be used to re-sign Samsonov at and one problem solved.

New GM has little money to play with to reshape the roster.

11 roster spots? Are they going to run a 26 man team?

They need 8 players for a 22 man roster with an extra forward and defenseman, 9 if they run the full 23. And that's assumuing Muzzin and Murray are done, which is likely. So if we're counting their roster spots we're also counting the extra $10.3m in cap space that opens up.

 

[Brobust]

FInally some sense. Agreed completely. And your point about Marner signing 8x8, that was Lou who rejected that deal as well. People say oh yeah Dubas got 20 year old stars, well he also was handcuffed with having to sign them without the ability to do so early, and also had to deal with Zaitsev contracts, a bottom 5 defense, and all of these other issues like Marleau he inherited.

Not to mention the players hated Babcock and wouldn't take a discount to play for him.


Leave out the regular season success which DOES matter. We were a damn good team under Dubas for 5 years and that matters.

Unfortunately it doens't matter at all when you get to a point where the outcome of the season is accurately assumed before the season the even starts.

 

[CDN24]

Murray gets paid 6 million in real dollars this year and 0 bonus so I don’t think AZ wants that.

Arizona wants a contract like Tyler myers. 6M Cap hit and 5M paid in signing bonus on July 1st, only 1M in salary to be paid for a 6M hit if they acquire after the bonus is paid

 

[LeafSteel]

We are likely running it back then.

Either they don't think the core can get it done and are forced, or they can run it back.

No GM will ignore offers on players, so basically everything is the same unless they make a trade for the sake of change.

Also, Tkachuk wanted to be traded because of Treliving.

Do you have something that supports this or are you just, well, you know……

Not excited by the hire, and not climbing out onto a ledge by it.

Let’s see where we are when puck drops in October.

There’s a lot to be done in the meantime

 

[rumman]

To both statements: Why?

well, it's apparently a done deal for BT being GM, so why not let him have both positions, and Shanahan falling on his sword gets rid of everyone who created this mess in the first place........

 

[notbias]

Tkachuk actually spoke very highly of Treivling and complimented in many regards

I was very fortunate to deal with another unbelievable guy in Calgary in Brad Treliving, and we were able to get that (trade) worked out,” Tkachuk said on TNT’s post-game broadcast.

Tkachuck wanted to go home to US market. Like a lot of Canadian boys wants to come but too nice to ask for a trade

Frankly speaking, the idea to get to play for Barkov and sunny Florida is just too enticing. You do know the weather in Calgary in January

Do you know why Tkachuk was able to leave so easily?

He wanted a long-term deal, but those are reserved for over-the-hill vets.

I hope he does better here, I just don't see it.

Do you have something that supports this or are you just, well, you know……

Not excited by the hire, and not climbing out onto a ledge by it.

Let’s see where we are when puck drops in October.

There’s a lot to be done in the meantime

Maybe not wanted it, but he had a choice because he didn't get the long-term contract he wanted.

Treliving created that whole mess himself.

He is one of the best of the terrible options available.

 

[Stephen]

he gave Dubas the framework for the Tavares deal, he wanted him at 11+x8.

or do you mean how to negotiate and then 10 mins after signing the contract tell the media the contract is too long and too much money?

Why do people pretend Lou is good at things?

he gave Dubas the framework for the Tavares deal, he wanted him at 11+x8.

or do you mean how to negotiate and then 10 mins after signing the contract tell the media the contract is too long and too much money?

Why do people pretend Lou is good at things?

Lou’s resume speaks for itself. He had a lengthy career before Kyle and he’s had a pretty good one after Kyle.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Except Stamkos, Kuch, Vasi at least went to a cup final in 2015. And ECF in 2018. What has our core shown? 5 wins in the playoffs is the high benchmark.

I think Stamkos in year 3 or 4 went to an Eastern conference final too...like you didn't doubt that maybe there was just a lack of luck but you'd get it right at some point.

We're 7 years in and I still lean towards it being unlikely this group has it in the post-season but I would definitely prefer to try without Keefe now.

 

[andora]

I'd be extremely suprised if a GM is in control of a team for 5+ years and doesn't make some moves/trades that turn out poorly.

It's more about how the good stacks up against the bad. I think Dubas biggest winning trades and signings outweigh the losing ones.


Biggest losses are Kadri trade and JT signing which had their reasons. I was/am a huge Kadri fan, but he got suspended in back to back years (and again in Colorado)... One great year doesn't just negate that. JTs been discussed to death, but can't blame somebody for signing the top FA too much, especially when he wanted to come to Toronto.

Lots of positive moves, especially the last 2 years. Biggest mistake in the past 2 years was probably Murray who we still got assets to acquire. However, sounds like we'll have to just agree to disagree.

I agree with you in a sense.. and when i have a little bit more time i will outline what i mean and respond back

 

[notbias]

Lou’s resume speaks for itself. He had a lengthy career before Kyle and he’s had a pretty good one after Kyle.

He inherited the team that did well... unless... does that change here? Dubas inherited his core, but Lou is the reason that the Islanders did well in his first year.

Lou's resume in the cap era is not good.

Is the team more Lou's now or first year? Is the team more Dubas' this year or his first year? Cause their most recent results have flipped.

 

[Smif]

Except Stamkos, Kuch, Vasi at least went to a cup final in 2015. And ECF in 2018. What has our core shown? 5 wins in the playoffs is the high benchmark.

Do you know the mayhem that would go on here if we missed the playoffs like that team did before winning together? Same thing as Vegas last year. Hindsight proves to keep the core and reset the depth.

 

[fahad203]

Do you know why Tkachuk was able to leave so easily?


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He wanted a long-term deal, but those are reserved for over-the-hill vets.

I hope he does better here, I just don't see it.



Maybe not wanted it, but he had a choice because he didn't get the long-term contract he wanted.

Treliving created that whole mess himself.

He is one of the best of the terrible options available.

Absolutely. BT gave in there and was a horrible term and contract
But my point was that Tkachuck didn't hate or had any resentment towards BT

 

[notbias]

Absolutely. BT gave in there and was a horrible term and contract
But my point was that Tkachuck didn't hate or had any resentment towards BT

I think BT is a good person from everything I've read, and respected. His decision-making is what worries me.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[Stephen]

He inherited the team that did well... unless... does that change here? Dubas inherited his core, but Lou is the reason that the Islanders did well in his first year.

Lou's resume in the cap era is not good.

Is the team more Lou's now or first year? Cause their most recent results have flipped.

Lou went to the Stanley Cup finals in 2012 with New Jersey in the cap era. Just have a little respect, eh?

 

[francis246]

Do you know why Tkachuk was able to leave so easily?


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He wanted a long-term deal, but those are reserved for over-the-hill vets.

I hope he does better here, I just don't see it.



Maybe not wanted it, but he had a choice because he didn't get the long-term contract he wanted.

Treliving created that whole mess himself.

He is one of the best of the terrible options available.

Go listen to Matthews interview on spitting chiclets. He basically said that he wanted the long term deal, it’s not that Treliving didn’t want to do it. It’s that if they did, they would not have the cap or budget to put a team around him based on the number Matthew wanted.

 

[notbias]

Lou went to the Stanley Cup finals in 2012 with New Jersey in the cap era. Just have a little respect, eh?

I can respect Lou and still think he is a terrible GM.

A cup final in the cap era is his big accomplishment? He's been a GM for 17 years in the cap era.

 

[The Masters]

shanny get ready to pack ur bags

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Was pretty obvious after a point. Not elated but I'll keep an open mind.

Bring us Lord Stanley, that's all I care about.