Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[notbias]

It’s too bad Lou hadn’t taught Dubas lessons beyond time management before he was ousted.

he gave Dubas the framework for the Tavares deal, he wanted him at 11+x8.

or do you mean how to negotiate and then 10 mins after signing the contract tell the media the contract is too long and too much money?

Why do people pretend Lou is good at things?

 

[HockeyVirus]

It's ok, but it's not like they ever even won the presidents trophy or anything. If you like moderate regular season success so much, just wait until you get a taste of playoff success. I guarantee Florida fans prefer this year to last year

And if they missed the playoffs, I guarantee they preferred at least being relevant in may than being on the gold course for nearly a month

 

[Rare Jewel]

Meh...

Probably the least exciting or interesting hire they could make IMO.

 

[NMacrules]

One thing is certain, fans have to give BT a chance and a grace period. The team is an utter mess right now. Dubas left the team in total disarray and BT has to clean all that up first before we can judge him. There are lots of UFA's and that Matthews trade that needs to get fixed first. Matthews has said a few times he won't talk extension before July 1st. Why is that Matthews? Looks to me like he wants to get all that leverage before raping the team. Looks to me like he will demand league max (18 mil I think) and if the leafs don't give it to him he will leave. Am I missing something here? Sounds like he has a foot out the door. He said he wants to remain a leaf, is that what he says before he demands league max? Get rid of him and that huge contract. This is another work of art by Dubas getting bent over by Matthews agent. Matthews needs to be gone.

BT went through this already with Gaudreau. He vowed to never let this happen again. So Matthews, sign or good bye. And i am one fan who doesn't give a flying rats ass if the big expensive choker is traded.

 

[7even]

Very whelming.

 

[Canucks LB]

As an outside spectator, from what I heard before, a lot of you guys wanted chaos, huge trades.

This is exactly what brad is going to do, good or bad.

Should be really interesting who he keeps and who goes!

 

[7even]

One thing is certain, fans have to give BT a chance and a grace period.

There's no time for a grace period. The gig is the gig.

 

[Mess]

Little more immediate for me.

Changing coach?

9 UFA's from end of season roster, that's plenty of roster room to draw some initial conclusions on how/if he is looking to change the makeup of the team.

Murray.

And of course, the contracts extensions.

By September we should have an idea of what's up.

Leafs actually have 10 UFA's currently on the NHL roster and 1 RFA (Samsonov) without contracts for next year. However if you weren't including Holl as one because its applied he is gone then its only 9.

However those 10 - 11 roster spots would need filling by re-signing or replacing.

Leafs currently have only $9,143,550 in free cap space available.. With 11 positions and < $10 mil in free cap = $831k per player on average to replace. (League minimum salary 2023-24 = $775,000)

Getting Murray's $4.67 mil off the books via trade or buyout almost a must, and with a buyout saving $4 mil next year that could be used to re-sign Samsonov at and one problem solved.

New GM has little money to play with to reshape the roster.

The contract extensions for AM and WN with applied raises from current need to be budgetted for in 2024 when the kick in.

 

[fahad203]

The same people who are saying trade someone from the core 4 are also criticising Treliving for trading Tkachuk.

It's always best to hold onto your stars, the two teams in the Stanley Cup finals are perfect examples of that:

Tkachuk
Stone
Pietrangelo
Eichel

Our best chance to win is in two years when JT comes off the books and the cap is increased to 90+ million

Takchuk forced calgary to make the trade
Pietrangelo was a FA. St.Louis was already in cap situation with Binngiton
Eichel story had to come to an end in Buffalo. Had he stayed end result would be the same
Stone was traded for Brannstorm who was highly touted prospect at the time. Also due to financial reasons


Florida barely even made the playoffs. Thanks to Pittsburgh losing to Chicago in 2nd last game
Vegas made the finals without Eichel and Stone has been part of that team 6 years now

 

[Martin Skoula]

he gave Dubas the framework for the Tavares deal, he wanted him at 11+x8.

or do you mean how to negotiate and then 10 mins after signing the contract tell the media the contract is too long and too much money?

Why do people pretend Lou is good at things?

That’s not fair, Lou was the only one that knew how to calm things down when Marleau had his WW1 flashbacks. There’s somethings you just have to be there for, can’t teach shellshock.

 

[legobeard]

Leafs actually have 10 UFA's currently on the NHL roster and 1 RFA (Samsonov) without contracts for next year. However if you weren't including Holl as one because its applied he is gone then its only 9.

However those 10 - 11 roster spots would need filling by re-signing or replacing.

Leafs currently have only $9,143,550 in free cap space available.. With 11 positions and < $10 mil in free cap = $831k per player on average to replace. (League minimum salary 2023-24 = $775,000)

Getting Murray's $4.67 mil off the books via trade or buyout almost a must, and with a buyout saving $4 mil next year that could be used to re-sign Samsonov at and one problem solved.

New GM has little money to play with to reshape the roster.

The contract extensions for AM and WN with applied raises from current need to be budgetted for in 2024 when the kick in.

We need a better goalie than samsonov imo

 

[Community]

Its called death by a thousand cuts

If looking at all moves at a group there are lots of little cuts that compounded into bigger cuts

The true totality is connecting the dots down the line.. it is not that good

I'd be extremely suprised if a GM is in control of a team for 5+ years and doesn't make some moves/trades that turn out poorly.

It's more about how the good stacks up against the bad. I think Dubas biggest winning trades and signings outweigh the losing ones.


Biggest losses are Kadri trade and JT signing which had their reasons. I was/am a huge Kadri fan, but he got suspended in back to back years (and again in Colorado)... One great year doesn't just negate that. JTs been discussed to death, but can't blame somebody for signing the top FA too much, especially when he wanted to come to Toronto.

Lots of positive moves, especially the last 2 years. Biggest mistake in the past 2 years was probably Murray who we still got assets to acquire. However, sounds like we'll have to just agree to disagree.

 

[Wendel17]

Who did you want as GM?

Ideally, George McPhee. I would have been happy with Doug Armstrong or Jim Nill as well. Realistically, none of those people are coming here to be report to Shanahan. So when (not if) this team poops the bed again, then perhaps the BoG will find a real experienced hockey person to captain this ship. Because right now we have no one.

 

[Stephen]

Not a fan of Brad at all. I think there are few better options out there

The experience with Dubas left a bitter taste for a first time GM. Otherwise there were some decent options
Also given the timeframe, we are forced to make a quick hire. Someone who's ready and can start from day 1

The contract situation with Matthews, Nylander and Draft really decided who needed to be hired

I don't care what Brad does, if he doesn't fire Keefe within first month, I am going to hate this deal

I’m not that big a fan of Treliving either. But I also can’t start criticizing him as a Leafs GM before he’s been introduced based on his Calgary track record. His puzzle pieces were different there and the picture he put together is going to be different here.

 

[notbias]

Takchuk forced calgary to make the trade
Pietrangelo was a FA. St.Louis was already in cap situation with Binngiton
Eichel story had to come to an end in Buffalo. Had he stayed end result would be the same
Stone was traded for Brannstorm who was highly touted prospect at the time. Also due to financial reasons


Florida barely even made the playoffs. Thanks to Pittsburgh losing to Chicago in 2nd last game
Vegas made the finals without Eichel and Stone has been part of that team 6 years now

If we make a trade, isn't it kind of forced?

I am sure they were willing to make trades all along if they were beneficial to the team.

 

[rumman]

As an outside spectator, from what I heard before, a lot of you guys wanted chaos, huge trades.

This is exactly what brad is going to do, good or bad.

Should be really interesting who he keeps and who goes!

this team is screaming for a change, hopefully it's for the better.........

 

[NMacrules]

There's no time for a grace period. The gig is the gig.

Really, so you go to a new job with new people and don't get time to adjust. Wake up man, Dubas left BT a disaster of a mess for BT to clean up. Before BT can make this team his, he has to clean up first. If you got a new job as a machinist, but there is crap all over the floor, do you clean up first or do you start making parts with that mess all around you.

 

[Brown Dog]

Here’s a conspiracy theory, maybe they wanted him and have been talking since he left Calgary, maybe they’re ahead of the curve and have a plan in place on what to do with 34, 16, 88? And yeah it’d be tampering, but tell me the Pen’s and Dubas haven’t been unethical in his supposed hire……….


Apples and oranges imo……..

Point is, sometimes you're better off with the devil you know. When you clamor for change, be prepared to be worse-off.

 

[Tak7]

Treliving was the best option of what was available imo. I could see it being a very easy and quick decision.

If Shanahan had done his due diligence the past 13 months, there wouldn't have been this scenario where Treliving would have been the "best option of what was available".

The Leafs have ended up with Treliving, instead of an outstanding candidate for one of the biggest jobs in the sport, because Shanahan forgot to do anything the past year despite deciding he deciding he didn't want to extend his GM last summer.

 

[egd27]

Looks like this is the end for this franchise and this era. So long fellas, I might jump on board with the Sabres.

Promises, promises.

 

[Mister NJ Devil]

he gave Dubas the framework for the Tavares deal, he wanted him at 11+x8.

or do you mean how to negotiate and then 10 mins after signing the contract tell the media the contract is too long and too much money?

Why do people pretend Lou is good at things?

Because Lou has more success under his belt than the Leafs entire organiztion since the 60s

 

[al secord]

One thing is certain, fans have to give BT a chance and a grace period. The team is an utter mess right now. Dubas left the team in total disarray and BT has to clean all that up first before we can judge him. There are lots of UFA's and that Matthews trade that needs to get fixed first. Matthews has said a few times he won't talk extension before July 1st. Why is that Matthews? Looks to me like he wants to get all that leverage before raping the team. Looks to me like he will demand league max (18 mil I think) and if the leafs don't give it to him he will leave. Am I missing something here? Sounds like he has a foot out the door. He said he wants to remain a leaf, is that what he says before he demands league max? Get rid of him and that huge contract. This is another work of art by Dubas getting bent over by Matthews agent. Matthews needs to be gone.

BT went through this already with Gaudreau. He vowed to never let this happen again. So Matthews, sign or good bye. And i am one fan who doesn't give a flying rats ass if the big expensive choker is traded.

Why does BT deserve a grace period and how is the team an utter mess?

 

[fahad203]

If we make a trade, isn't it kind of forced?

I am sure they were willing to make trades all along if they were beneficial to the team.

We are not forced to trade anyone. Nobody said they wont' come back
Tkachuck made it very clear he's not coming back

 

[Tak7]

Shanny had his guy in mind the moment Dubas said he wasn't all in

If a guy who spent 9 years building a team that couldn't make it into the playoffs is the "guy in mind", you should probably factor that into the equation before firing the previous guy.

 

[AvroArrow]

As an outside spectator, from what I heard before, a lot of you guys wanted chaos, huge trades.

This is exactly what brad is going to do, good or bad.

Should be really interesting who he keeps and who goes!

Nobody wanted chaos. We wanted change, a cultural change. If that meant personnel change then so be it.