Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[notbias]

Treliving didn’t have Matthews Marner Nylander and Rielly to start. Any GM that has that as a starting point is obviously going to be ahead of the curve over others. Treliving to me is an average GM but to try and keep propping up Dubas while ignoring the massive head start he had with players, prospects and cap space any GM would make the playoffs year after year.

He had 4 more years than Dubas, does that makeup for it?

He also had some good pieces to start building with.

4th overall pick (Bennett), Gio, Brodie, Gaudreau.

It isn't like he had a terrible starting point.

Those are all good players….

were, currently they don't appear to be.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Shanahan is going by the Detroit Red Wings and Steve Yzerman schedule to win a cup. It took Stevie Y 14 seasons in Detroit to finally hoist Lord Stanley. Yzerman was doing the same thing in Tampa by keeping all their best players and rearranging the depth pieces and low and behold Stamkos after 13 years with Tampa wins a cup.

Patience folks.

Been more than patient. This core, outside of Rielly, won't go to war. Easy to play against, easy to shut down, entitled, and lack physicality. Seriously, who cares how long it took a certain team to win!?

 

[rumman]

Him and Shanny had a deal in place ready to go. He decided to pull the final minute big bluff and lie about not wanting to be anywhere else.

He f***ed the Leafs dude. Cope.

or did them a huge favor..........

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Koshan doesn't reference CJ in his article.

Either a series of different journalists are completely dedicated to making this up for no apparent motivation - OR it actually happened.

The simplest answer here seems by far the most logical....

So what?

I don't believe any of this type of media nonsense used to generate views and clicks as soon as I hear or see "anonymous/player/coach/GM said x". Doesn't meet my personal standard of evidence.

That said, I'm not against the idea that Shanny wants to keep the core (and Keefe). Why don't we just wait, as his actions and or actual words coming from his lips will give us the definitive answer in very short order.

 

[notbias]

Hard to get excited about Treliving in an extremely positive or negative way IMO.

His work in Calgary starting in 2014 was taking the ruins of a post Iginla Flames team poised for a massive rebuild and built it back up bit by bit through every avenue possible. It started as a wasteland and ended up as an up and down competitive team, probably without championship upside.

The starting line in Toronto is way different.

4+ years, and decent pieces to start.

Glad the anti-Dubas crowd is already making excuses for the new GM.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Agreed. The Leafs need players in the top 6 and top 4 who have sandpaper too

Yeah you can't have AM, MM, WN, JT taking up tons of minutes and not one of them plays a physcial game, or will go to the net hard in the playoffs. WN occasionally does

 

[rumman]

Well if Elliotte's reporting it like that...

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would be great if he was announced as the new GM AND President of hockey Operations. Still hoping Shanahan falls on his sword at the next presser............

 

[Magic Man]

He did essentially replace Gaudreau with Huberdeau in the Tkachuk trade. They are a month apart in age, they cost roughly the same on the cap, they have a pretty similar track record when you add it all up with both of them coming off 115 point seasons. So, they came out even with Gaudreau/Huberdeau on paper. Still to be determined how Huberdeau gels in Calgary.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Shanny or Treliving aren't going to weaken their trade position by declaring that he core 4 are staying no matter what.

There's almost nothing I take as gospel about a teams management statements. Of course Shanny will tell them he likes them. He'll probably tell them that after their traded too.

Thanks Warden. This is all I'm trying to say. Player/coach speak means nothing. Actions mean everything.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Alright Brad, show us what you can do.

 

[Stephen]

4+ years, and decent pieces to start.

Glad the anti-Dubas crowd is already making excuses for the new GM.

Wonder if we can just live in a Treliving era and evaluate the decisions made therein without having to refer back to the Dubas Golden Age.

 

[LeafSteel]

There's very little hard reporting on the number (most articles say things like "it's believed") but it was 8x$9m. That's just as unreasonable of a contract the year before.

Hindsight is 20:20. You're effectively suggesting he should have signed a bad contract a year earlier because we're from the future so we know he would have gotten lucky.

Come on, this is not hindsight, this is damn common sense.

You want to tell me that Dubas couldn't see a gifted player like Marner, 20 years old at the time, and delivering 69 points, wasn't going to have an improvement as a young player AND adding a player like Tavares, who was going to play with him? Really?

There is hindsight and there is painfully obvious, and Dubas' lack of action cost us almost $3 million more per year, for 2 years less than the maximum 8 years he was willing to sign for at the time.

Straight up stupid and completely misread by Dubas. What did he think Marner was going to do?

 

[rumman]

I reserve my right to blame the previous GM for anything bad the current GM does for up to and including 3 seasons.

what goes around comes around............

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Well that's good to hear.

 

[NMacrules]

He's been without Burke for a few years now.

That stank lingers

 

[The Masters]

 

[Cleetus]

Wonder if we can just live in a Treliving era and evaluate the decisions made therein without having to refer back to the Dubas Golden Age.

thats it time to look forward, lets see what happens! its not like Dubas done anything productive in terms of winning anything here.... hopefully Brad takes us to the promise land!

 

[Martin Skoula]

Come on, this is not hindsight, this is damn common sense.

You want to tell me that Dubas couldn't see a gifted player like Marner, 20 years old at the time, and delivering 69 points, wasn't going to have an improvement as a young player AND adding a player like Tavares, who was going to play with him? Really?

There is hindsight and there is painfully obvious, and Dubas' lack of action cost us almost $3 million more per year, for 2 years less than the maximum 8 years he was willing to sign for at the time.

Straight up stupid and completely misread by Dubas. What did he think Marner was going to do?

The smartest man in all of hockey history told him “if you have time, use it”.

 

[Americanadian]

There's very little hard reporting on the number (most articles say things like "it's believed") but it was 8x$9m. That's just as unreasonable of a contract the year before.

Hindsight is 20:20. You're effectively suggesting he should have signed a bad contract a year earlier because we're from the future so we know he would have gotten lucky.

This is spot on - it would have been a terrible deal at the time for a player who put up 69 points in his D+3 season. For reference - Draisaitl had just put up 77 points in his D+3 season and signed 8x8.5M as a center.

 

[Stephen]

thats it time to look forward, lets see what happens! its not like Dubas done anything productive in terms of winning anything here.... hopefully Brad takes us to the promise land!

Yeah. Just keep an open mind.

 

[Smif]

Been more than patient. This core, outside of Rielly, won't go to war. Easy to play against, easy to shut down, entitled, and lack physicality. Seriously, who cares how long it took a certain team to win!?

The same people who are saying trade someone from the core 4 are also criticising Treliving for trading Tkachuk.

It's always best to hold onto your stars, the two teams in the Stanley Cup finals are perfect examples of that:

Tkachuk
Stone
Pietrangelo
Eichel

Our best chance to win is in two years when JT comes off the books and the cap is increased to 90+ million

 

[fahad203]

Wonder if we can just live in a Treliving era and evaluate the decisions made therein without having to refer back to the Dubas Golden Age.

Not a fan of Brad at all. I think there are few better options out there

The experience with Dubas left a bitter taste for a first time GM. Otherwise there were some decent options
Also given the timeframe, we are forced to make a quick hire. Someone who's ready and can start from day 1

The contract situation with Matthews, Nylander and Draft really decided who needed to be hired

I don't care what Brad does, if he doesn't fire Keefe within first month, I am going to hate this deal

 

[Duffman955]

Kind of excited to see what he does.

I hope he's active instead of sit around and assess type

 

[notbias]

Wonder if we can just live in a Treliving era and evaluate the decisions made therein without having to refer back to the Dubas Golden Age.

I'll evaluate him on his time here, but he hasn't been good elsewhere so not sure why it would change.

Also, why wouldn't you compare him to the GM that was Shanny's first choice?

 

[Stephen]

The smartest man in all of hockey history told him “if you have time, use it”.

It’s too bad Lou hadn’t taught Dubas lessons beyond time management before he was ousted.