Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[ToDavid]

The biggest hurdle the new GM faces is the current overpaid contracts of the Core 4 particularly Matthews, Marner and Tavares.

Our past greenhorn GM gave these players contracts that should have been the new ones they should be signing RIGHT now, but went right from ELC to 3rd contracts without earning anything based on playoff success first.

Instead the new GM inherits the Cap Hell mess that has Leafs with 3 of the top 9 highest AAV contracts in the NHL and 2 of those going to looking for raises.

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That doesn't even include Nylander who has his hand out looking to get a nice raise as well.

Outside of breaking up the band somehow the New GM goes from 4 players all forwards eating up 1/2 his salary cap to (after raises) those same 4 players that have 1 playoff round win in 7 years to again having 4 core players eating up 1/2 the cap again going forward.

These are the cards Treliving will be dealt and its a very poor hand at that.

Agent: Most players get raises.
Treliving: Most players aren't already making $11m.

If Treliving can't contend with expert negotiating tactics like "I wan't a raise", that's his own problem.

I'm firmly in the camp of keeping our best players, but if they're looking for $13+ million I'll lose zero sleep over the team telling them to kick rocks. The other thing I'm not going to do is cry about the guy who doesn't work here anymore.

 

[Menzinger]

Leafs actually have 10 UFA's currently on the NHL roster and 1 RFA (Samsonov) without contracts for next year. However if you weren't including Holl as one because its applied he is gone then its only 9.

However those 10 - 11 roster spots would need filling by re-signing or replacing.

Leafs currently have only $9,143,550 in free cap space available.. With 11 positions and < $10 mil in free cap = $831k per player on average to replace. (League minimum salary 2023-24 = $775,000)

Getting Murray's $4.67 mil off the books via trade or buyout almost a must, and with a buyout saving $4 mil next year that could be used to re-sign Samsonov at and one problem solved.

New GM has little money to play with to reshape the roster.

The contract extensions for AM and WN with applied raises from current need to be budgetted for in 2024 when the kick in.

Assuming Muzzin isn't returning - which seems a near certainty imo - in practical terms Treliving has currently 14.7 mil to play around with. If they dump Murray it's just under 20 mil

 

[notbias]

We are not forced to trade anyone. Nobody said they wont' come back
Tkachuck made it very clear he's not coming back

We are likely running it back then.

Either they don't think the core can get it done and are forced, or they can run it back.

No GM will ignore offers on players, so basically everything is the same unless they make a trade for the sake of change.

Also, Tkachuk wanted to be traded because of Treliving.

 

[4thline]

Leafs actually have 10 UFA's currently on the NHL roster and 1 RFA (Samsonov) without contracts for next year. However if you weren't including Holl as one because its applied he is gone then its only 9.

However those 10 - 11 roster spots would need filling by re-signing or replacing.

Leafs currently have only $9,143,550 in free cap space available.. With 11 positions and < $10 mil in free cap = $831k per player on average to replace. (League minimum salary 2023-24 = $775,000)

Getting Murray's $4.67 mil off the books via trade or buyout almost a must, and with a buyout saving $4 mil next year that could be used to re-sign Samsonov at and one problem solved.

New GM has little money to play with to reshape the roster.

The contract extensions for AM and WN with applied raises from current need to be budgetted for in 2024 when the kick in.

Are you honestly still incapable of reading Capfriendly or are you deliberately miss-stating the situation (trolling)?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

As an outside spectator, from what I heard before, a lot of you guys wanted chaos, huge trades.

This is exactly what brad is going to do, good or bad.

Should be really interesting who he keeps and who goes!

We want the Stanley Cup and it's painfully obvious that it will never happen with this core. Trading them ain't chaos it's progress.

 

[al secord]

Are you honestly still incapable of reading Capfriendly or are you deliberately miss-stating the situation?

I'm sure you know the answer to this.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Assuming Muzzin isn't returning - which seems a near certainty imo - in practical terms Treliving has currently 14.7 mil to play around with. If they dump Murray it's just under 20 mil

I actually think after July 1st that Arizona is gonna want that contract.

Murray is gonna be an interesting topic...Chicago again?

 

[Canucks LB]

Nobody wanted chaos. We wanted change, a cultural change. If that meant personnel change then so be it.

Most change that is significant with the leafs, though, usually creates chaos by default.

We all know how diehard and passionate the leafs fanbase is.

 

[al secord]

Most change that is significant with the leafs, though, usually creates chaos by default.

We all know how incredibly good looking and passionate the leafs fanbase is.

Fixed.

 

[notbias]

Leafs actually have 10 UFA's currently on the NHL roster and 1 RFA (Samsonov) without contracts for next year. However if you weren't including Holl as one because its applied he is gone then its only 9.

However those 10 - 11 roster spots would need filling by re-signing or replacing.

Leafs currently have only $9,143,550 in free cap space available.. With 11 positions and < $10 mil in free cap = $831k per player on average to replace. (League minimum salary 2023-24 = $775,000)

Getting Murray's $4.67 mil off the books via trade or buyout almost a must, and with a buyout saving $4 mil next year that could be used to re-sign Samsonov at and one problem solved.

New GM has little money to play with to reshape the roster.

The contract extensions for AM and WN with applied raises from current need to be budgetted for in 2024 when the kick in.

14.7 million in cap with this.

Holmberg is likely back cheap as a 4th line C.

I think one of McMann/Steeves will be on the 4th line too.

So you now have 13 million to upgrade D, re-sign Samsanov (guessing around 3.5), and fill out 3C and 3RW.

And then if you dump Murray, it is almost 18 million to do that.

You could probably re-sign Schenn for 1-1.5 and have him play with Rielly since they were great. Move Gio to the press box, and Brodie to the left.

Now you have 16+ million for Samsanov, 3C, and 3RW.

This team in really good shape for next year. The following year is tougher.

 

[Menzinger]

I actually think after July 1st that Arizona is gonna want that contract.

Murray is gonna be an interesting topic...Chicago again?

There's going to be more trade options than people think. Sharks could also be an option potentially.

Some team always needs a goalie and this year's free agency group isn't particularly deep

 

[RayzorIsDull]

I actually think after July 1st that Arizona is gonna want that contract.

Murray is gonna be an interesting topic...Chicago again?

No they can buy him out and it only costs 687k this year and 2 mil next year

 

[rumman]

Point is, sometimes you're better off with the devil you know. When you clamor for change, be prepared to be worse-off.

"the devil you know" couldn't get it done, was more interested in knifing his boss in the back and holding the team hostage to his demands for more power, more money. Pretty sure BT can't be as bad as KD............

 

[WTFMAN99]

There's going to be more trade options than people think. Sharks could also be an option potentially.

Some team always needs a goalie and this year's free agency group isn't particularly deep

Yea, just depends on what the sweetener is.

No they can buy him out and it only costs 687k this year and 2 mil next year

I'd rather not have dead cap.

Attaching an asset to Murray to move him is fine if the ask is reasonable.

 

[rumman]

Why does BT deserve a grace period and how is the team an utter mess?

because he's not a "knuckle dragging mouth breather", some people are never satisfied...........

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Its only 680k it's not a big deal and the cap goes up next year.

Yea, just depends on what the sweetener is.



I'd rather not have dead cap.

Attaching an asset to Murray to move him is fine if the ask is reasonable.

 

[fahad203]

We are likely running it back then.

Either they don't think the core can get it done and are forced, or they can run it back.

No GM will ignore offers on players, so basically everything is the same unless they make a trade for the sake of change.

Also, Tkachuk wanted to be traded because of Treliving.

Tkachuk actually spoke very highly of Treivling and complimented in many regards

I was very fortunate to deal with another unbelievable guy in Calgary in Brad Treliving, and we were able to get that (trade) worked out,” Tkachuk said on TNT’s post-game broadcast.

Tkachuck wanted to go home to US market. Like a lot of Canadian boys wants to come but too nice to ask for a trade

Frankly speaking, the idea to get to play for Barkov and sunny Florida is just too enticing. You do know the weather in Calgary in January

 

[CDN24]

We are not forced to trade anyone. Nobody said they wont' come back
Tkachuck made it very clear he's not coming back

But once those NMC kick in on July 1st the player has all the power. You either give in to their contract demands or they walk as UFA. Trading them becomes a whole lot more difficult as they control where they go, if they pull a Patrick Kane and say I will only accept a trade to Team X then don't expect team X to knock you socks off with an amazing offer. your option becomes a trade at less than fair value or a contract extension at probably more than fair value. those NMC were probably the worst part of those 2 contracts

 

[WTFMAN99]

Its only 680k it's not a big deal and the cap goes up next year.

It's more the 2M in dead space that would bother me.

I'd just tackle it differently than the buy out route if I could.

 

[Mess]

Also worth noting that the 2005-2014 seasons aren’t necessarily a baseline to where the team will backslide to and the 2005-2008 years were very different to the 2009-2012 years and 2012-2014 were different as well.

What I’m getting at is Dubas wasn’t single-handedly taking us out of the dark ages and we won’t be plunging back into the dark ages because he’s gone.

It was actually GM Lou Lam and coach Mike Babcock that would get most of the credit for restoring respectability and creating playoff teams in Toronto. That is even the reason Shanny gave for hiring them.. He even gave up 3rd round draft picks as compensation to bring them in as they were under contract to other teams.

Leafs missed the playoffs 10 of 11 seasons prior to Lou Lam hiring and after finishing dead last drafting #1OA Matthews.. In year #2 they went from last overall to a playoff team with 95 points taking on the President's trophy Caps in round #1 and in year #3 the Leafs set a new franchise record in points with 105, before bowing out to Boston in round #1 in 7 games.

Dubas inherited a 105 point playoff team and a very young core all on their ELC.

The bridge between non playoff years and playoff years had little to do with Dubas, other then he was watching and learning from Lou Lam at the time as assistant GM.

I think the biggest change might be moving away from Hockey Analytics and HockeyPuck team building to old fashion experience and actual goals >> expected goals.

 

[yubbers]

he gave Dubas the framework for the Tavares deal, he wanted him at 11+x8.

or do you mean how to negotiate and then 10 mins after signing the contract tell the media the contract is too long and too much money?

Why do people pretend Lou is good at things?

No need to pretend. His resume speaks for itself.

 

[Nineteen67]

I actually think after July 1st that Arizona is gonna want that contract.

Murray is gonna be an interesting topic...Chicago again?

Murray gets paid 6 million in real dollars this year and 0 bonus so I don’t think AZ wants that.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

He had 4 more years than Dubas, does that makeup for it?

He also had some good pieces to start building with.

4th overall pick (Bennett), Gio, Brodie, Gaudreau.

It isn't like he had a terrible starting point.



were, currently they don't appear to be.

No but it's not the same as what 's starting With here.

 

[4thline]

Assuming Muzzin isn't returning - which seems a near certainty imo - in practical terms Treliving has currently 14.7 mil to play around with. If they dump Murray it's just under 20 mil

15.5 actually, Robertson's IR is counting against the cap in their calculation.

So 15.5 against 5-8 open positions (not 11 @Mess) that's an average of 1.94 - 3.1 per vacancy.
Call it a 22 man roster (7 vacancies), 2 spares at 800k each = 13.9 /5 = 2.78 per
2x 4th liners at 1.5 each leaves 11.9/3 = 3.97 per
1x 2m 3rd liner @ 2m leaves 9.9 /2 = 2x 5m players

 

[yubbers]

or did them a huge favor..........

Oh I'm ecstatic he offed himself.

But it just proves Dubas homers are fans of him and not the team. He pulled the rug out on SHanny last minute spitting in his face. Shanny can take a hike too. This entre mess is on him.