Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[HockeyVirus]

Grass is greener syndrome.

I've read a lot of posters say something along the lines of "at least those guys played with heart, were a hard working team, etc".

Being the only team to not win a playoff round in x amount of years was FAR better than being the only team to not make the playoffs for the most years.


Dubas made some mistakes, but the majority of those came from his first year or two. Signing JT was a risk that didn't work out, but that's a very unique situation and its tough to pass on a PPG centre wanting to come to Toronto.

The Marner contract shouldve been avoided by agreeing to a deal the year before (8x8 was rumoured to be offered by Marner at the time)... He hadnt fully proved himself yet, but everybody knew the following year would very likely increase his demands. Like it or not, Matthews will likely set a new market high each time he signs a new contract (same as McDavid, Mackinnon, and other top 5 players).

Other than that, there's some questionable moves but fairly few egregious ones (no Foligno trade/Mrazek contract are not egregious... there's been far far worse across the league).

Dubas of today is significantly improved over Dubas from 3 years ago and he shows a willingness to alter his plans as necessary. I think Shannahan was right to have some pull over big decisions in the past, but wrong to not allow for Dubas to have more autonomy now.


I'll support Trev/whoever our new GM is, but there isn't a lot of quality candidates and there's a good chance we're downgrading.

FInally some sense. Agreed completely. And your point about Marner signing 8x8, that was Lou who rejected that deal as well. People say oh yeah Dubas got 20 year old stars, well he also was handcuffed with having to sign them without the ability to do so early, and also had to deal with Zaitsev contracts, a bottom 5 defense, and all of these other issues like Marleau he inherited.

Not to mention the players hated Babcock and wouldn't take a discount to play for him.

The attitude that we somehow need to be grateful for Dubas to taking us to the thoroughly mediocre heights of the 2nd round is insane. Of course things could always be worse, but that's no reason to not hope for better

Leave out the regular season success which DOES matter. We were a damn good team under Dubas for 5 years and that matters.

 

[Captain Crunch]

News flash, that technically would have been better for this teams future than any of Dubas' 5 years here. Why you might ask ? Higher draft pick while still not winning shit. All Dubas did was trade away 1sts, acquire later picks and not win.

The last 5 years under Dubas were great regular season hockey and some of the worst playoff performances I have ever seen. If you watched the Montreal series, Columbus series, Florida series and thought those were good I dunno what to tell you.

Dubas failed, plain and simple. And on top of failing this jackass asked for more money and more power, can you imagine demanding that in any work place. "Hey boss, I know I've come up short every year for the past 5 years but the only way I'll come back is if you give me 2-3M more per year, oh also I don't want to answer to you"

Well said. Dubas nut huggers are a hard bunch. I was never a fan of Dubas, but I will give him credit for making the moves he did this past trade deadline. I really thought we were ready for a deep playoff run. Then the core 4 shit the bed like they always have come playoff time.

 

[Mess]

The biggest hurdle the new GM faces is the current overpaid contracts of the Core 4 particularly Matthews, Marner and Tavares.

Our past greenhorn GM gave these players contracts that should have been the new ones they should be signing RIGHT now, but went right from ELC to 3rd contracts without earning anything based on playoff success first.

Instead the new GM inherits the Cap Hell mess that has Leafs with 3 of the top 9 highest AAV contracts in the NHL and 2 of those going to looking for raises.

That doesn't even include Nylander who has his hand out looking to get a nice raise as well.

Outside of breaking up the band somehow the New GM goes from 4 players all forwards eating up 1/2 his salary cap to (after raises) those same 4 players that have 1 playoff round win in 7 years to again having 4 core players eating up 1/2 the cap again going forward.

These are the cards Treliving will be dealt and its a very poor hand at that.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Well i guess we will see Jim again at year end sponsor mtg and more Boston Pizza ads at Scotia next year .. on team who knows???????????????????????

 

[thewave]

I reserve my right to blame the previous GM for anything bad the current GM does for up to and including 3 seasons.

Agreed. To be honest though Inwill give him a pass on the contracts. Thats a legit mess not of his doing

 

[Kaladin]

Markstrom, Huberdeau, Kadri, and Weeger, ya he seems great.

Those are all good players….

 

[ULF_55]

I sure hopes he's a good motivator.

Be nice to see the players start on time and play to the final whistle.

Anyone have any video of his locker room speeches?

His strategy going into the playoffs are important.
Is he going to use the same system as Dubas?

 

[hamzarocks]

So we're gonna pay a non-generational talent the most money in the league? Seems like something a generational talent would get I hear what you're saying though

The participation trophy culture can't be undone sadly. We need a full reno.

Dubas negotiating skills were his worst attribute

Good drafted

Medicore trader

Terrible negotiator

 

[facelessjoe1990]

Is there any chance that Treliving wants to trade someone from the big 4? So shanny can blame him if it goes wrong?

 

[Sypher04]

I really hope Tannenbaum wasn’t involved in this hire at all. The last thing we need is a nepotism hire. This said, Treliving may be a fine choice, who knows. I will stay cautiously optimistic

 

[Metroid]

Well i guess we will see Jim again at year end sponsor mtg and more Boston Pizza ads at Scotia next year .. on team who knows???????????????????????

Boooooo BoPi

 

[Fonzieleaf]

Eat your heart out fire Dubas crowd. You guys deserve the shit show this team is about to become

Did you get your crystal ball at Walmart?

 

[definedMF]

Of all those who should have been replaced, seems like we are starting from the WRONG direction...

Should have been one of the core four -> Coach/GM ->GM/Coach

All I'm smelling is Treliving will be it and we will run it back with Keefe's galaxy brain antics and the core four doing the SAME shit next year.

Shanahan really f***ed this thing up more than he could of in a single foul swoop.

 

[MCR74]

I'll reserve judgement. Let's see what Brad can do. He's got a hill to climb, that's for sure.

 

[rumman]

Shanahan is happy with the coaching, perhaps another area where the GM isn't in charge?

lame post, Keefe was Dubas' boy, my grandmother knows this and she's been dead for fifty years.........

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I really hope Tannenbaum wasn’t involved in this hire at all. The last thing we need is a nepotism hire. This said, Treliving may be a fine choice, who knows. I will stay cautiously optimistic

I highly doubt it .. Larry knows da sponsors .. we get together every year for a year end mtg in June for a Q&A

 

[Fonzieleaf]

It's stupid to say that this franchise is going to get much worse or better before he does anything. I'll reserve judgement until he actually starts to do some moves.

 

[sbpointer]

I really hope Tannenbaum wasn’t involved in this hire at all. The last thing we need is a nepotism hire. This said, Treliving may be a fine choice, who knows. I will stay cautiously optimistic

Respectfully I disagree. I hope Treliving is Tannenbaum's guy and when Shanahan tries to screw up a deal to improve the teams position Shanahan is vetoed by the board and shown the door.
The only way for this change to be effective is fully autonomy.

 

[thewave]

I really hope Tannenbaum wasn’t involved in this hire at all. The last thing we need is a nepotism hire. This said, Treliving may be a fine choice, who knows. I will stay cautiously optimistic

I think Treliving will at the very least do his best to ensure that we do not walk away from our big contracts as total losers. I think that he will be motivated to help cover the blemish he had with Johnny.

 

[rumman]

I'm actually not to worried about this as long as Treliving keeps the scouting and development structure the Dubas built.

I hope Triv sinks the shrimp boat..........

 

[57 Years No Cup]

We've now had multiple Toronto media types confirmed what Chris Johnston said about Shanny calling the core four.

Looks like some folks owe him an apology for insinuating he was making it all up. Guess it wasnt 'hearsay' afterall

So they heard Johnston say it and repeated it as gospel? Classic definition of hearsay.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Leave out the regular season success which DOES matter. We were a damn good team under Dubas for 5 years and that matters

Hang the regular season banner. Clearly not built for playoff hockey, and that's the only thing that matters.

 

[Dreakmur]

And your point about Marner signing 8x8, that was Lou who rejected that deal as well.

Lou was let go on April 30th of 2018, which is a few months before Marner could have even signed a contract extension.

 

[thewave]

It's stupid to say that this franchise is going to get much worse or better before he does anything. I'll reserve judgement until he actually starts to do some moves.

It will get worse. The contracts ensure that. It may get better after the second year but next season will probably be a step back.

 

[rumman]

Looks like this is the end for this franchise and this era. So long fellas, I might jump on board with the Sabres.

adios amigo..........