Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[Punch Drunk Loov]

The day the music died.

Kidding - didn't know what else to say

 

[ITM]

If you are a bandwagon fan sure. Trust me, the last 5 years under Dubas have been the best hockey we've had in Toronto in decades, since arguably the 90's. Early 2000's team had slightly more playoff success one year but that is it.

It can and has been a lot worse. Can't wait to go back to being a team who wishes they could sniff the playoffs.

You sound hopeful in the most disloyal fashion.

 

[Sypher04]

Keeping Keefe is not my preference today, but it doesn’t have to be a huge problem if the directive from the GM regarding how the team plays is different

 

[Community]

If you are a bandwagon fan sure. Trust me, the last 5 years under Dubas have been the best hockey we've had in Toronto in decades, since arguably the 90's. Early 2000's team had slightly more playoff success one year but that is it.

It can and has been a lot worse. Can't wait to go back to being a team who wishes they could sniff the playoffs.

Grass is greener syndrome.

I've read a lot of posters say something along the lines of "at least those guys played with heart, were a hard working team, etc".

Being the only team to not win a playoff round in x amount of years was FAR better than being the only team to not make the playoffs for the most years.


Dubas made some mistakes, but the majority of those came from his first year or two. Signing JT was a risk that didn't work out, but that's a very unique situation and its tough to pass on a PPG centre wanting to come to Toronto.

The Marner contract shouldve been avoided by agreeing to a deal the year before (8x8 was rumoured to be offered by Marner at the time)... He hadnt fully proved himself yet, but everybody knew the following year would very likely increase his demands. Like it or not, Matthews will likely set a new market high each time he signs a new contract (same as McDavid, Mackinnon, and other top 5 players).

Other than that, there's some questionable moves but fairly few egregious ones (no Foligno trade/Mrazek contract are not egregious... there's been far far worse across the league).

Dubas of today is significantly improved over Dubas from 3 years ago and he shows a willingness to alter his plans as necessary. I think Shannahan was right to have some pull over big decisions in the past, but wrong to not allow for Dubas to have more autonomy now.


I'll support Trev/whoever our new GM is, but there isn't a lot of quality candidates and there's a good chance we're downgrading.

 

[al secord]

The day the music died.

Kidding - didn't know what else to say

You're Punch Drunk Loov. You can say whatever you want.

 

[Morbo]

Yes I'm sure this team will fall apart without the wizardry of Kyle Dubas.

Toronto is an Original Six team with the second most Cups in league history. The fans should demand so much better than what they got under Kyle Dubas.

The team was a punchline around the league, mocked for being soft, weak and playoff no-shows. Why would anyone want the person responsible for that to continue to run the team?

The bar should *much* higher in Toronto. This team shouldn't have been a joke, it should have been the best chance for the team to win a Cup in my lifetime. Dubas made a series of costly errors that he refused to acknowledge were errors and the team failed in the same way, due to the same problems, year after year.

Fans should be rejoicing that he's gone, and yet, here you are, pretending the sky is falling because this colossal failure has left the team.

Demand better.

I think people upset about a mediocre-looking hire like Treliving agree with you, no?

 

[AvroArrow]

If you are a bandwagon fan sure. Trust me, the last 5 years under Dubas have been the best hockey we've had in Toronto in decades, since arguably the 90's. Early 2000's team had slightly more playoff success one year but that is it.

It can and has been a lot worse. Can't wait to go back to being a team who wishes they could sniff the playoffs.

News flash, that technically would have been better for this teams future than any of Dubas' 5 years here. Why you might ask ? Higher draft pick while still not winning shit. All Dubas did was trade away 1sts, acquire later picks and not win.

The last 5 years under Dubas were great regular season hockey and some of the worst playoff performances I have ever seen. If you watched the Montreal series, Columbus series, Florida series and thought those were good I dunno what to tell you.

Dubas failed, plain and simple. And on top of failing this jackass asked for more money and more power, can you imagine demanding that in any work place. "Hey boss, I know I've come up short every year for the past 5 years but the only way I'll come back is if you give me 2-3M more per year, oh also I don't want to answer to you"

 

[HockeyVirus]

You sound hopeful in the most disloyal fashion.

That was sarcasm...

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

If you are a bandwagon fan sure. Trust me, the last 5 years under Dubas have been the best hockey we've had in Toronto in decades, since arguably the 90's. Early 2000's team had slightly more playoff success one year but that is it.

It can and has been a lot worse. Can't wait to go back to being a team who wishes they could sniff the playoffs.

The attitude that we somehow need to be grateful for Dubas to taking us to the thoroughly mediocre heights of the 2nd round is insane. Of course things could always be worse, but that's no reason to not hope for better

 

[HockeyVirus]

News flash, that technically would have been better for this teams future than any of Dubas' 5 years here. Why you might ask ? Higher draft pick while still not winning shit. All Dubas did was trade away 1sts, acquire later picks and not win.

The last 5 years under Dubas were great regular season hockey and some of the worst playoff performances I have ever seen. If you watched the Montreal series, Columbus series, Florida series and thought those were good I dunno what to tell you.

Dubas failed, plain and simple. And on top of failing this jackass asked for more money and more power, can you imagine demanding that in any work place. "Hey boss, I know I've come up short every year for the past 5 years but the only way I'll come back is if you give me 2-3M more per year, oh also I don't want to answer to you"

Bro come on. We did exactly that already and drafted Kadri's, Schenns, and all of these guys. All that happened is the board demanded playoffs so we moved picks that became top 5 for guys like Kessel and signed dudes like Clarkson

 

[ShaneFalco]

If you are a bandwagon fan sure. Trust me, the last 5 years under Dubas have been the best hockey we've had in Toronto in decades, since arguably the 90's. Early 2000's team had slightly more playoff success one year but that is it.

It can and has been a lot worse. Can't wait to go back to being a team who wishes they could sniff the playoffs.

He had the most talent to work with, yes
He blew it - and so did his buddy coach
But you're obviously ok with just regular season success

 

[andora]

What franchise altering decisions? Replacing Dubas with a GM with a similar playoff and drafting record? He hasen’t even been officially hired and you’re already losing your mind. Atleast give him a chance and see where it goes.

Hes just being dramatic and or trolling

Reasonable people will give this some time and a couple transactions before leaning a direction

No sweat

 

[Squiffy]

Hes just being dramatic and or trolling

Reasonable people will give this some time and a couple transactions before leaning a direction

No sweat

I mean at least the offseason to see where he sails this boat right people?

 

[ITM]

That was sarcasm...

Certainly, but as a punctuation to a whole lot of poisoning the well. For all we know, the status quo you want and believe we need is going to remain because Shanahan fired Dubas, not because he retained him.

From all reports thus far, we know: That Shanahan assured the core four they're staying. It looks like Pridham is staying. It even looks like <gulp> Keefe is staying.

So...To a certainty, bandwagon accusations notwithstanding, what do you know about the situation that the sum of recent reports haven't provided?

 

[Kaladin]

Will it be…
Brad “I traded Auston Matthews” Treliving?

If it is it’ll be because of Kyle “I made my stars think they were worth 14M+” Dubas.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Eat your heart out fire Dubas crowd. You guys deserve the shit show this team is about to become

I would not consider myself a Dubas fan, or Dubas hater, did some good things like Tavares, Brodie, Bunting, ROR and the McCabe trade.

He also did some bad things, like nearly every goalie decision he ever made, apart from potentially Samsonov and even that is up in the air.

This idea that team will fall apart without Dubas is no longer GM is completely ridiculous.

If that happens it won't be because Kyle Dubas isn't GM.

 

[Jmo89]

Eat your heart out fire Dubas crowd. You guys deserve the shit show this team is about to become

Gone are the days the team wins 1 playoff series in 5 years. How will we be able to move on?

 

[andora]

Grass is greener syndrome.

I've read a lot of posters say something along the lines of "at least those guys played with heart, were a hard working team, etc".

Being the only team to not win a playoff round in x amount of years was FAR better than being the only team to not make the playoffs for the most years.


Dubas made some mistakes, but the majority of those came from his first year or two. Signing JT was a risk that didn't work out, but that's a very unique situation and its tough to pass on a PPG centre wanting to come to Toronto.

The Marner contract shouldve been avoided by agreeing to a deal the year before (8x8 was rumoured to be offered by Marner at the time)... He hadnt fully proved himself yet, but everybody knew the following year would very likely increase his demands. Like it or not, Matthews will likely set a new market high each time he signs a new contract (same as McDavid, Mackinnon, and other top 5 players).

Other than that, there's some questionable moves but fairly few egregious ones (no Foligno trade/Mrazek contract are not egregious... there's been far far worse across the league).

Dubas of today is significantly improved over Dubas from 3 years ago and he shows a willingness to alter his plans as necessary. I think Shannahan was right to have some pull over big decisions in the past, but wrong to not allow for Dubas to have more autonomy now.


I'll support Trev/whoever our new GM is, but there isn't a lot of quality candidates and there's a good chance we're downgrading.

Its called death by a thousand cuts

If looking at all moves at a group there are lots of little cuts that compounded into bigger cuts

The true totality is connecting the dots down the line.. it is not that good

 

[SprDaVE]

Pretty good article here. A good look into what the Leafs need from Treliving and what the Leafs should focus on moving forward.

One of the points made was Waddell going from mixed results with Atlanta to Carolina and having success, probably attributed to the supporting cast.

 

[AvroArrow]

Bro come on. We did exactly that already and drafted Kadri's, Schenns, and all of these guys. All that happened is the board demanded playoffs so we moved picks that became top 5 for guys like Kessel and signed dudes like Clarkson

We drafted Kadri and traded him for a bag of pucks. We had Verhaege and gave him away. We chose to protect Holl/Kerfoot over McCann. We traded Mason Marchment for nothing. Traded a 1st for Foligno. We gave away the 13th overall pick to dump Marleau, used to draft Jarvis. We had Matthews/Marner/Nylander all as RFA's and caved in and gave the worst possible deals with NTC's and massive overpayments, when we had all the leverage.

Oh btw we = Dubas

The guy f***ed us the last 5 years. Some good moves, acquiring ROR/Schenn/Samsonov and had some really good drafting as well, Lily/Knies, Niemla looks promising. But you can't convince me that his decisions didn't have a huge influence in this teams short comings.

 

[andora]

I mean at least the offseason to see where he sails this boat right people?

Of course.. my biggest interests are

- any specific players he wants to bring from calgary
- his moves regarding our current prospects

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Of course.. my biggest interests are

- any specific players he wants to bring from calgary
- his moves regarding our current prospects

He and Shanny will be boating this summer on lake Muskoka with Rose .. da real question is does Mitch join in da party or not?

 

[Cleetus]

Curious to see what he does with Keefe?

 

[HockeyVirus]

Grass is greener syndrome.

I've read a lot of posters say something along the lines of "at least those guys played with heart, were a hard working team, etc".

Being the only team to not win a playoff round in x amount of years was FAR better than being the only team to not make the playoffs for the most years.


Dubas made some mistakes, but the majority of those came from his first year or two. Signing JT was a risk that didn't work out, but that's a very unique situation and its tough to pass on a PPG centre wanting to come to Toronto.

The Marner contract shouldve been avoided by agreeing to a deal the year before (8x8 was rumoured to be offered by Marner at the time)... He hadnt fully proved himself yet, but everybody knew the following year would very likely increase his demands. Like it or not, Matthews will likely set a new market high each time he signs a new contract (same as McDavid, Mackinnon, and other top 5 players).

Other than that, there's some questionable moves but fairly few egregious ones (no Foligno trade/Mrazek contract are not egregious... there's been far far worse across the league).

Dubas of today is significantly improved over Dubas from 3 years ago and he shows a willingness to alter his plans as necessary. I think Shannahan was right to have some pull over big decisions in the past, but wrong to not allow for Dubas to have more autonomy now.


I'll support Trev/whoever our new GM is, but there isn't a lot of quality candidates and there's a good chance we're downgrading.

FInally some sense. Agreed completely. And your point about Marner signing 8x8, that was Lou who rejected that deal as well. People say oh yeah Dubas got 20 year old stars, well he also was handcuffed with having to sign them without the ability to do so early, and also had to deal with Zaitsev contracts, a bottom 5 defense, and all of these other issues like Marleau he inherited.

Not to mention the players hated Babcock and wouldn't take a discount to play for him.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Eat your heart out fire Dubas crowd. You guys deserve the shit show this team is about to become

Please Penguins, take them away. PUHLEEEZE!!!!!