Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[ShaneFalco]

The Shanaplan still very much in force it seems

Unreal
It's clear Shanny needs to go

 

[thewave]

The Shanaplan still very much in force it seems

Don't even listen to that. They don't want to rock the boat until the contract mess is done. The players like Keefe, better to get the deals worked out then can the coach or do it 20 games in.

 

[ULF_55]

Do you think he will start with a new coach? He has no preconceived notion about Keefe.
Would he be looking at the playoff results first or the fact that his coach has a 100 point team? Keefe is already under contract and there are more pressing matters.
If you were a new GM would you want to start with the feeling that you will make the playoffs and go from there?

He's going to get a guaranteed contract.

If he stays with the old coach so that he has that as a built in get out of jail free care, he's already playing CYA.

He keeps Keefe, its the first negative on the plus / minus list.

 

[egd27]

So tre wanted to fire sutter but got blocked? How many fkin coaches can he hire ? Such a yoyo gm

Exactly he should keep the same coach regardless of what team he running. Competency be damned

 

[justashadowof]

I don't believe a situation where a GM inherits a coaching staff can work in the best of situations like the GM and coach have worked together previously. The retained coach carries forward all of the philosophies and latent loyalties from the previous regime. Not withstanding that Keefe owes his NHL coaching career solely to Kyle Dubas and has a personal history of an almost cultist devotion to a leader (look it up).

 

[Brobust]

Agreed. But no A list guy walked away for nothing like Gaudreau.

On the other hand, he's never had a trade as awful as the Kadri one.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

The Shanaplan still very much in force it seems

Letting the new GM deal with the coaching situation seems pretty normal, I don't see how that's Shanahan's fault. If Tre wants to keep Keefe around that's his fault

 

[BertCorbeau]

Don't even listen to that. They don't want to rock the boat until the contract mess is done. The players like Keefe, better to get the deals worked out then can the coach or do it 20 games in.

This.

Already enough uncertainty with a new GM and how they’ll approach Matthews/the core this summer.

That’s the priority .. this is a critical offseason for the roster that the Leafs can’t afford to f*** up and they have less than a month to figure it out.

The coach can be secondary and be used as the fall guy if things go sideways next season.

 

[thewave]

Exactly he should keep the same coach regardless of what team he running. Competency be damned

I imagine Dubas Keefe and the top players formed a little happy comfortable family. They wouldn't take kindly to this homewrecker coming in and throwing the chairs around if you know what I mean.

 

[Menzinger]

Even so, if you were walking into a new situation with a bunch of unknowns, wouldn’t you leave the known alone?
For example, with this core and Keefe, how do you expect the regular season to go?

Yep. If a GM comes in makes a decent number of big changes and we see some hiccups happen mid season, they may find themselves with a painted target on their back earlier than expected.

Which is why gradualism will likely be the name of the game as Treliving looks to make his mark on the team

 

[Trapper]

He's going to get a guaranteed contract.

If he stays with the old coach so that he has that as a built in get out of jail free care, he's already playing CYA.

He keeps Keefe, its the first negative on the plus / minus list.

But coach is the easiest thing to take care of. It can be done at anytime.
The psychology of limiting how much change you make on a core you are trying to re-sign before UFA can’t be underestimated.
Right now changing the GM was big. If the players see everything else is stable at the moment you have a better chance of getting out in front if the major issues.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

This.

Already enough uncertainty with a new GM and how they’ll approach Matthews/the core this summer.

That’s the priority .. this is a critical offseason for the roster that the Leafs can’t afford to f*** up and they have less than a month to figure it out.

The coach can be secondary and be used as the fall guy if things go sideways next season.

I can understand keeping Keefe so as to maintain a level of continuity across management and the players...he'll be on the shortest goddamn leash imaginable though.

 

[LeafGrief]

If Treliving is the guy with the guts to trade Marner, then I welcome him with open arms. If we start next season with quatros amigos and Keefe all still around, then I will boo and hiss.

All around the MLSE executive's table, the monkey chased the weasel. Round and round we go.

 

[mydnyte]

gosh, under Dubas zero leaks in years, he's gone a month, and we're leaking like a sieve

 

[Metroid]

Dubas haters are once again freaking out that not everyone is jumping for joy over his successor.
Or is of their opinion, that's usually enough of a reason ... Annoying.

I think Donnie and Zeke are dr.jekle and mr.hyde
:-P
Same person.. /s

 

[LeafGrief]

I can understand keeping Keefe so as to maintain a level of continuity across management and the players...he'll be on the shortest goddamn leash imaginable though.

Continuity from seven years of failure is the exact last thing that this team should want or need. We need "New Team Smell" and a complete reset of narratives and expectations. Continuity is for when you have things going well and a project that is working, not when you've got systemic leadership issues and a team who are consistently less than the sum of their parts.

 

[ACC1224]

Even so, if you were walking into a new situation with a bunch of unknowns, wouldn’t you leave the known alone?
For example, with this core and Keefe, how do you expect the regular season to go?

I'd expect about the same which hasn't been good enough.

 

[ULF_55]

No, he has to change how the team plays on the ice in the playoffs.

Players are on the ice directed by the coach.
Coach decides who's on the ice and when.

Either the players are not good enough for the playoffs, or the coach isn't good enough for the playoffs.

GM isn't behind the bench or on the ice.

 

[Warden of the North]

The Kadri contract is awful.

Significant portion of this board would have been over the moon with that contract last summer if it could have somehow fit in

Unreal
It's clear Shanny needs to go

Dubas was the GM until he wasn't.

 

[htpwn]

gosh, under Dubas zero leaks in years, he's gone a month, and we're leaking like a sieve

Is that a good thing or bad thing? lol.

One thing that does annoy me is that Dreger seems to have gotten the info first.

I was enjoying how irrelevant he had gotten, especially after all that nonsense with Paul Marner, but sadly it looks like he's Treliving's pal.

 

[Deebo]

But coach is the easiest thing to take care of. It can be done at anytime.

There are more coaches available in the offseason.

 

[SprDaVE]

gosh, under Dubas zero leaks in years, he's gone a month, and we're leaking like a sieve

"zero leaks" uh huh

 

[NMacrules]

Laughable that everyone is freaking out. My god Dubasites are the absolute worst. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say Tre will do a good job here. I believe he’ll inject a new and way better philosophy than that absolute donkey Dubis ever could. Dubis was an absolute amateur in every single way and it showed through the consistent insane belief that cups are won with a heavy concentration of speed, soft skill finesse players, when really all of us can see that a blend of everything is the most ideal to winning the cup. Prepare for our team to get a lot meaner on the ice. And that is a good thing. The Dubasites’ tears taste so good. Welcome to Toronto, Tre!

Agree with this entire post. What did Dubas do? Nothing. He didn't draft Matthews, Marner or Nylander. He signed Tavares to that albatross contract. He had a constant turnstile with the 3td and 4th lines. He mortgaged the future away throwing away picks like they were candy. He let the agents bend him over and take it up the rear. Freaked out at fans like an idiot. Good riddance.

 

[thusk]

As a Flames fan that is a terrible choice. He never got one coach right, most of the drafted players never lasted long in the NHL level. Just got lucky with Tkachuck and Gudreau. Loves to trade picks and when he lost Gudreau he knew his time with Calgary was over. He will mess up Toronto and you will end up being a team that does not have the compete level made for the playoffs. I glade he left Calgary I wanted him gone years ago.

His 1st draft
Bennett is the only one who had a carreer and was easily the best player available at the moment

He bring him hamiltom for a 1st and second, was an amaizing deal... bring lindholm and hanifin late

2015 andersson, kylington, mangiapane without any 1st...Pretty great

2016
Rkachuk, dube, fox ( who just never wanted to sign entry level deal)

2017-2018
Only had 1 pick first 3 round. Ruzicka only player from those draft

2019 pelletier and wolf... pretty good

Im just dont understand whats youre blaming from his draft in first 5 year of treliving, calgary drafted 2X quality player than previous 10 before him...

 

[tmlfan98]

One thing about Treliving that is neither a positive or negative, he is notoriously one of the leakiest GMs in the game. This front office is about to go from being one of the least leaky FOs to one of the leakiest FOs in the league instantly.