Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[Maple Leaf]

I don't even grasp how you come up with this. The weasel essentially sabotaged himself here so he wouldn't have to deal with the bad contracts he made prior. No idea how people don't get that he practically abandoned ship knowing he would have to make massive overpayments to keep it going.

Dubas was emptying the prospect and draft pool to keep his shell game going. Get over it.

Is this guy even good?

 

[Burnie97]

Yeah continuity is great and all but holy shit... the new GM should get his own coach.

It happens all the time. Keefe acts like their buddy. He never benches anyone other than Nylander.

Yes I get the whole the young guys now need a different approach but I'm sorry sometimes no matter what generation you are from... you need a kick in the ass. If only guys like Burns or Quinn were still around.

They need a guy who does a better job of doing that once in a while when they need it.

Keefes record is impressive ( in the regular season) but he's been out coached numerous times now in the playoffs and over thinks it.

I guess keeping him to be a scape goat if things go sideways has some merit but why would he want to be a lame duck. Move on.

 

[ULF_55]

Shanahan is happy with the coaching, perhaps another area where the GM isn't in charge?

 

[SprDaVE]

Don't even listen to that. They don't want to rock the boat until the contract mess is done. The players like Keefe, better to get the deals worked out then can the coach or do it 20 games in.

We were told before all this the exit interviews did not go well, at least from 1 insider (I forget who). Whatever that means, there needs to be some sort of change in the dressing room whether it's the coach or the players or both.

 

[LeafGrief]

I'm looking at the Flames blueline on Capfriendly and I like what I see. Big, mobile, guys who can defend and guys who can produce. No real standouts, but lots of guys on good deals. Treliving also spent the money to get a goalie, though Markstrom had a voodoo bad juju kind of year.

No doubt that Huberdeau really sunk that team and Treliving has to wear that one, but our team already has bad forward contracts and if the new vision is going to have a more balanced blueline and more than a shoestring budget in net, I like that.

Still feeling aggressively meh about the whole enterprise, but I'm content to give Treliving a clean slate and the curiosity to see what he'll do. In fact, I'm optimistic enough that I'll start calling him Tre as a sign of affection. Please trade Marner and fire Keefe, Tre. It's not about establishing authority, it's about resetting the team.

 

[Rob Brown]

I'm looking at the Flames blueline on Capfriendly and I like what I see. Big, mobile, guys who can defend and guys who can produce. No real standouts, but lots of guys on good deals. Treliving also spent the money to get a goalie, though Markstrom had a voodoo bad juju kind of year.

No doubt that Huberdeau really sunk that team and Treliving has to wear that one, but our team already has bad forward contracts and if the new vision is going to have a more balanced blueline and more than a shoestring budget in net, I like that.

Still feeling aggressively meh about the whole enterprise, but I'm content to give Treliving a clean slate and the curiosity to see what he'll do. In fact, I'm optimistic enough that I'll start calling him Tre as a sign of affection. Please trade Marner and fire Keefe, Tre. It's not about establishing authority, it's about resetting the team.

Huberdeau is going to rebound nicely next year. Sutter was just the complete wrong coach for Huberdeau's playstyle.

 

[justashadowof]

The last 5 years are the only reprieve from the clown show that we've had in decades.

My expectations are high. That's why I'm not thrilled with the patchwork mess this offseason has been so far.

The last 5 years has been the worse kind of tease. We've had the smallest of chances at playoff success while teasing us that it might be possible in the future. We've been friend-zoned by contention while it dates a new array of upstarts every spring. Contention instinctly knows we don't have it. And now we're no longer younger than everyone else. It's time for self-improvement.

 

[Cor]

Regarding Keefe, you have to remember that Shanahan seemingly wasn’t upset with performance. He wanted to bring back Dubas. He’s also apparently told the core 4 his intention is for them all to stay.

Shanahan was very much on team “run it back”.

It actually seems like Kyle Dubas was the one more inclined of the two to make big changes.

So yeah, won’t be surprising if Keefe is back.

 

[htpwn]

The Kadri contract is awful.

You think that's bad... I haven't seen anyone mention the James Neal contract in 2018.

5.75M and five years for a one-dimensional player coming off a 40 point season.

Later swapped for late-career Milan Lucic making $6M for multiple years.

 

[LeafGrief]

Huberdeau is going to rebound nicely next year. Sutter was just the complete wrong coach for Huberdeau's playstyle.

I tend to give players the benefit of the doubt that they don't just completely forget how to play hockey. It's a 10.5m deal that's obviously too much, a Dubas special as it were, but yeah Huberdeau should rebound to be a serviceable star player instead of the worst contract in the league. That said, if a player needs a specific style of coach to succeed, then that's a big negative to their value. You gotta be able to do it all to be worth those kind of bucks, and again that's somewhat on Treliving. Hoping he learns from that mistake.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Significant portion of this board would have been over the moon with that contract last summer if it could have somehow fit in


Dubas was the GM until he wasn't.

So Shanny up until the press conference was going to extend Dubas and would be happy with Keefe. Craziness

 

[Wrong Wilson]

I suspect if Keefe is brought back, he will be on a very short leash.

 

[Maple Leaf]

I suspect if Keefe is brought back, he will be on a very short leash.

Keefe lost to the montreal canadiens

 

[Ianturnedbull]

You think that's bad... I haven't seen anyone mention the James Neal contract in 2018.

5.75M and five years for a one-dimensional player coming off a 40 point season.

Later swapped for late-career Milan Lucic making $6M for multiple years.

Here we go...

 

[justashadowof]

Pro/con of "running it back":

Pro:
The team's core has largely proven that it will have a good regular season record regardless of who its support talent is.
The team atmosphere will seem largely unchanged to the star players thus making it easier to court them to sign extensions.

Con:
This team ain't winning nuttin' running it back with this collection of over-celebrating playoff contact dodging, back passers.

 

[Rob Brown]

I tend to give players the benefit of the doubt that they don't just completely forget how to play hockey. It's a 10.5m deal that's obviously too much, a Dubas special as it were, but yeah Huberdeau should rebound to be a serviceable star player instead of the worst contract in the league. That said, if a player needs a specific style of coach to succeed, then that's a big negative to their value. You gotta be able to do it all to be worth those kind of bucks, and again that's somewhat on Treliving. Hoping he learns from that mistake.

Not so much that he needs a specific coach to succeed, more that him and Sutter just seemed to be polar opposites in terms of style. Plus you had a handful of Flames players with request a trade or say they wouldn't sign long term then rescind that when he was fired.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Give him a break

Treliving has a clean slate in TOR. He can't be paying for mistakes from the past just hours after he starts with his new team.

 

[nuck]

But coach is the easiest thing to take care of. It can be done at anytime.
The psychology of limiting how much change you make on a core you are trying to re-sign before UFA can’t be underestimated.
Right now changing the GM was big. If the players see everything else is stable at the moment you have a better chance of getting out in front if the major issues.

After July 1 this will mean a lot more. Like Shanny saying he would like to keep the core together. Saying stuff the guys want to hear is the right thing to do. Considering Keefe is as likely to be the problem as the lineup I think it would be asinine to bring him back but the start of the season is a long ways away so I am not too worried.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Leafs are cowards but this isn’t new for this franchise. Every GM since Ferguson inherits the previous coach so that they have a bullet to use when things inevitably go wrong. JFJ kept Quinn, Fletcher kept Maurice, Burke kept Wilson, Nonis kept Carlyle, and both Lamoriello and Dubas kept Babcock though circumstances were much different given Babcock’s pedigree and contract.

It’s just so stupid. The only real change made is in the spot where it was least needed.

 

[Trapper]

When Dubas was hired I gave him the benefit of the doubt. My opinion formed and grew over time and he had issues I didn’t like.
I’m not upset that he is gone.

I now give the same benefit of the doubt to Treliving. What he chooses to do and the results will form my new opinion.

 

[Brobust]

I'm actually not to worried about this as long as Treliving keeps the scouting and development structure the Dubas built.

 

[kevsh]

Would it be a safe assumption that the buzz and excitement surrounding the Trelivin GM announcement/presser is going to be ... pretty underwhelming.

 

[thewave]

Is this guy even good?

I wouldn't hire him. It's on record they wouldn't get blindsided like what happened with Johnny Gaudreau. TBH, that's good enough for me because losing big name players for nothing is the worst scenario.

 

[mydnyte]

until its official, i'm hoping its a mistake

 

[TheDoldrums]

You think that's bad... I haven't seen anyone mention the James Neal contract in 2018.

5.75M and five years for a one-dimensional player coming off a 40 point season.

Later swapped for late-career Milan Lucic making $6M for multiple years.

In Calgary Treliving gave out multiple contracts worse than anything Dubas ever did. So thats not great considering it's what many here have criticized the most about Dubas.