Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[TMLBlueandWhite]

To be fair, your post was mainly speculation and personal opinion, not fact per se.

If you say so....

That's just your opinion though.

 

[al secord]

Regardless to how we feel about Treliving's past, we won't know whether he will be good in Toronto or bad until 3-4 years from now. That goes to absolutely every other GM they would hire.

Maybe our unlimited resources will make him look like a genius. After all, Chiarelli was god at one point.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

And yet you don't dispute any of the facts as I listed them here.

Because that's what most of my comment is: a listing of facts.

Whether you like the facts or not isn't up to me.

You leave out facts though: most executives in the NHL have relationships. Many have the exact same as ownership. You didn't mention Lou. Shanny didn't have personal/family ties to Dubas 9 years ago. You seem to be discrediting Treliving too. He is an available GM. He somehow got a job in Calgary. Let's at least give him a chance.

 

[WillTheThrill]

Lol.

Back to the clown show it is I guess.

Back to it?

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

You leave out facts though: most executives in the NHL have relationships. Many have the exact same as ownership. You didn't mention Lou. Shanny didn't have personal/family ties to Dubas 9 years ago. You seem to be discrediting Treliving too. He is an available GM. He somehow got a job in Calgary. Let's at least give him a chance.

Maybe it's just me, but let's look at it this way:

Shanahan has two years left on his contract. Treliving is friends with ownership and has previous experience as vice president in Arizona. Treliving quit his last job and immediately got hired here.

It doesn't take much leap in imagination to think ownership convinced Treliving to quit his job in Calgary to come here and ordered Shanahan to hire Treliving with the plan of having him eventually succeed Shanahan if the team falters again this year.

Don't be surprised if Treliving is the Leafs POHO this time next year.

 

[rocketman588]

Don't tell some leafs fans here that, they'll bring up his draft from 8 years ago to show how much better than dubas he is, and every problem Calgary had/have is sutters fault.

We're too busy blaming every bad hockey move Dubas made on shanny ( all the good ones were Dubas though)

Pretty insane we fired him and hired another GM and he still hasn't made up his mind on whether he wants to work this year or not...

Looks like we probably made the correct decision

 

[hockeywiz542]

I don't agree with a lot of what Tre did. But ownership would not let him fire the coach. I don't know whose call it was to hire him in the first place, but he wanted to let Sutter go. They only let him go after ownership spoke to the players and realized how much they didn't want him back. By that time Tre was already gone.

All reports are that Tre wanted Sutter gone, even possibly during the season.

Darryl Sutter's management of people was his ultimate undoing

Darryl Sutter has changed in some ways, but not as a manager of people, which was his undoing. The wins couldn’t be savoured, the losses became unbearable. The cost of having Sutter at the helm was already steep.

www.sportsnet.ca

CALGARY — To say it was about time the Calgary Flames fired Darryl Sutter would be wrong.

This should have happened several weeks earlier, as it would have saved the club from having to search for a new general manager to replace Brad Treliving.

Instead, history will show Monday’s firing as Treliving’s final stamp on the Calgary Flames.

His decision to fall on the sword two weeks ago due to professional differences with Sutter prompted ownership and hockey president Don Maloney to realize just how toxic an environment Sutter had created.

That, combined with some explosive exit interviews with players, and pointed conversations with coaches and player agents, made it clear the Flames needed a new coach.

The players simply hated going to the rink, where Sutter liked it being tense, heavy and unpredictable.

Sutter built a culture of fear, as he felt it helped him become one of the best coaches of an era.

No coach prepares players as well as Sutter, few work a bench as brilliantly as he does, and his forechecking mentality was, in fact, the best way for this team to play.

However, his tear-em-down, build-em-back-up approach sucked the love of the game out of many players, including franchise cornerstones Jonathan Huberdeau and Nazem Kadri.

Sutter has changed in some ways, but not as a manager of people, which was his undoing.

His disrespect for the media has been a source of great entertainment for many, but it also gave people a glimpse into how he treats others while in coach mode.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Maybe it's just me, but let's look at it this way:

Shanahan has two years left on his contract. Treliving is friends with ownership and has previous experience as vice president in Arizona. Treliving quit his last job and immediately got hired here.

It doesn't take much leap in imagination to think ownership convinced Treliving to quit his job in Calgary to come here and ordered Shanahan to hire Treliving with the plan of having him eventually succeed Shanahan if the team falters again this year.

Don't be surprised if Treliving is the Leafs POHO this time next year.

What? You're leaping wildly here.

It's more complex and not conspiracy driven like you say.

As of two weeks ago Dubas was going to return/be extended. Kyle sealed his own fate. Treliving's hire is a pivot, and not the evil master plan.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

We're too busy blaming every bad hockey move Dubas made on shanny ( all the good ones were Dubas though)

Pretty insane we fired him and hired another GM and he still hasn't made up his mind on whether he wants to work this year or not...

Looks like we probably made the correct decision

Using his family as a bargaining tool was pretty slimy.

 

[A1LeafNation]

All that post season nonsense for a lateral move at best that was made over a car ride home?

Why isn't Shanahan fired?

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[horner]

Coming into a really tough spot but have to hope he picks the right coach and makes a few key moves to get us over the top.

Although this was from 2014 so his opinion could have changed but this is what he said about how he views the game.

"I think the style of play, people talk about big and whatever word you want to use, I think you need to have heavy teams now," he said. "I think you have to play a heavy game. That's not just a personal preference. Turn on the TV tonight and watch the games."

"There are steps along the way. We've got to take a lot of steps but in order to be there at the end, to build a championship, you do have to have a blueprint and you look at the games that are being played now. It's hard hockey. It's heavy hockey. It's a man's game. It's a big boy's game out there right now. In order to have success, I fully believe you have to have a team that can play in those games."

And need the right coach.
Laviolette hold on we are coming for you.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

his dad also happens to be good buddies with Ed Rogers and Larry Tanenbaum, it's actually an incredible coincidence that the perfect person for the role is a longtime family friend of prominent MLSE board members

So he got his job via nepotism...Just like Dubas.

 

[ACC1224]

Maybe it's just me, but let's look at it this way:

Shanahan has two years left on his contract. Treliving is friends with ownership and has previous experience as vice president in Arizona. Treliving quit his last job and immediately got hired here.

It doesn't take much leap in imagination to think ownership convinced Treliving to quit his job in Calgary to come here and ordered Shanahan to hire Treliving with the plan of having him eventually succeed Shanahan if the team falters again this year.

Don't be surprised if Treliving is the Leafs POHO this time next year.

If you have facts you don’t need to take an imaginative leap.
You’re speculating which is fine but don’t pretend it’s anything else.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

The Win scenario is that it isn't Dubas!

Second, just to watch Dreger's shit thrown in his face, would be hilarious if it is actually someone else LOL

Last, even if it is Treliving its not the end of the world. he isn't as bad as some "vocal minority" on twitter and here have said.

I'm going in with an open mind, just like I was with every hire before this, including Dubas.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

What? You're leaping wildly here.

It's more complex and not conspiracy driven like you say.

As of two weeks ago Dubas was going to return/be extended. Kyle sealed his own fate. Treliving's hire is a pivot, and not the evil master plan.

Unless you don't believe a word this team ever says.

Which I don't.

If Dubas was going to be fired for performance reasons, it would have sunk both Shanahan and Dubas' careers. It doesn't take much leap in imagination to think they concocted the story about him waffling on the position. Save face and help ensure they both remain employed.

I'm sorry, but this organization has been nothing but nepotistic under Shanahan.

The hiring of his former coach first. Then the hiring of his former GM. Followed by the hiring of a young upstart that only got into the league because of his granddaddy's connections through the Soo Greyhounds.

If you think Dubas' rise in the hockey world was unrelated, having nothing to do with his grandfather's legacy, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in buying.

If you have facts you don’t need to take an imaginative leap.
You’re speculating which is fine but don’t pretend it’s anything else.

I didn't imply this comment was anything but speculation.

If you are trying for a "gotcha" you are going to have to try harder than that.

 

[The Masters]

 

[ACC1224]

Unless you don't believe a word this team ever says.

Which I don't.

If Dubas was going to be fired for performance reasons, it would have sunk both Shanahan and Dubas' careers. It doesn't take much leap in imagination to think they concocted the story about him waffling on the position. Save face and help ensure they both remain employed.

I'm sorry, but this organization has been nothing but nepotistic under Shanahan.

The hiring of his former coach first. Then the hiring of his former GM. Followed by the hiring of a young upstart that only got into the league because of his granddaddy's connections through the Soo Greyhounds.

If you think Dubas' rise in the hockey world was unrelated, having nothing to do with his grandfather's legacy, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in buying.


I didn't imply this comment was anything but speculation.

If you are trying for a "gotcha" you are going to have to try harder than that.

And yet you don't dispute any of the facts as I listed them here.

Because that's what most of my comment is: a listing of facts.

Whether you like the facts or not isn't up to me.

‘a listing of facts’. were your words.
It wasn’t very hard at all

 

[Ianturnedbull]

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Unless you don't believe a word this team ever says.

Which I don't.

If Dubas was going to be fired for performance reasons, it would have sunk both Shanahan and Dubas' careers. It doesn't take much leap in imagination to think they concocted the story about him waffling on the position. Save face and help ensure they both remain employed.

I'm sorry, but this organization has been nothing but nepotistic under Shanahan.

The hiring of his former coach first. Then the hiring of his former GM. Followed by the hiring of a young upstart that only got into the league because of his granddaddy's connections through the Soo Greyhounds.

If you think Dubas' rise in the hockey world was unrelated, having nothing to do with his grandfather's legacy, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in buying.


I didn't imply this comment was anything but speculation.

If you are trying for a "gotcha" you are going to have to try harder than that.

Somehow I see this extending beyond hockey.

I don't know what to say. Conspiracy Theories tend to be conversation stoppers to me.

 

[Peasy]

My silver lining is that it seems like Calgary ownership really wanted their say in what happened with the team...

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

‘a listing of facts’. were your words.
It wasn’t very hard at all

Different comments.

 

[The Masters]

Darryl Sutter's management of people was his ultimate undoing

Darryl Sutter has changed in some ways, but not as a manager of people, which was his undoing. The wins couldn’t be savoured, the losses became unbearable. The cost of having Sutter at the helm was already steep.

www.sportsnet.ca

CALGARY — To say it was about time the Calgary Flames fired Darryl Sutter would be wrong.

This should have happened several weeks earlier, as it would have saved the club from having to search for a new general manager to replace Brad Treliving.

Instead, history will show Monday’s firing as Treliving’s final stamp on the Calgary Flames.

His decision to fall on the sword two weeks ago due to professional differences with Sutter prompted ownership and hockey president Don Maloney to realize just how toxic an environment Sutter had created.

That, combined with some explosive exit interviews with players, and pointed conversations with coaches and player agents, made it clear the Flames needed a new coach.

The players simply hated going to the rink, where Sutter liked it being tense, heavy and unpredictable.

Sutter built a culture of fear, as he felt it helped him become one of the best coaches of an era.

No coach prepares players as well as Sutter, few work a bench as brilliantly as he does, and his forechecking mentality was, in fact, the best way for this team to play.

However, his tear-em-down, build-em-back-up approach sucked the love of the game out of many players, including franchise cornerstones Jonathan Huberdeau and Nazem Kadri.

Sutter has changed in some ways, but not as a manager of people, which was his undoing.

His disrespect for the media has been a source of great entertainment for many, but it also gave people a glimpse into how he treats others while in coach mode.

So tre wanted to fire sutter but got blocked? How many fkin coaches can he hire ? Such a yoyo gm

 

[The Apologist]

And yet you don't dispute any of the facts as I listed them here.

Because that's what most of my comment is: a listing of facts.

Whether you like the facts or not isn't up to me.

Not sure you understand what the word 'fact' means.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Will it be…
Brad “I traded Auston Matthews” Treliving?

Hopefuly.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

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Somehow I see this extending beyond hockey.

I don't know what to say. Conspiracy Theories tend to be conversation stoppers to me.

Maybe. I work in a line of business where I'm being lied to constantly. You might be right thay I'm seeing conspiracies.

I've just always felt it good to question people's motives.

Unfortunately for this team it always seems to come back to money.

A "let's keep Kyle and Shanny employed" scheme isn't really all that conspiracy theory now is it?

Not sure you understand what the word 'fact' means.

Do you ever get sick of apologizing for this team?

It's the fans that have allowed this franchise to become what it is today.

You can blame Dubas' and Shanahan for dividing the fan base too.

A divide and conquer strategy is right in line with the way this team operates.