Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[notbias]

On one hand I don't like the whole recycling of the same GMs/coaches across the league. On the other hand, maybe the experience will be a plus. He had a decent draft track record in Calgary as well. So, willing to give him a chance I guess.

NHLers drafted under his watch in Calgary from 2015-2022:

Rasmus Andersson (2015)
Oliver Kylington (2015)
Andrew Mangiapane (2015)
Matthew Tkachuk (2016)
Dillon Dube (2016)
Adam Fox (2016)
Juuso Valimaki (2017)
Adam Ruzicka (2017)
Jakob Pelletier (2019)

Soon to be NHlers:

Matthew Phillips (2016)
Jakob Pelletier (2018)
Dustin Wolf (2018)
Connor Zary (2020)
Matt Coronato (2021)

Certainly missing some other prospects who will make the jump soon, but ya.

2 games played outside of Pelletier since 2018 for other prospects.

Doesn't exactly give me confidence.

 

[Bomber0104]

Much better to pick neither.

A player scoring 47 points in 54 games on a 700k deal is exactly what any team wants.

The Leafs pay a handful of players scores more than that for far less.

 

[Rob Brown]

Why would you make a trade sacrificing the future unless it was to win now?

The Leafs didn't "win now" with Muzzin.

I don't know what other purpose a trade serves other than to improve a team's chance to win.

You tell me...

The goal of the trades was to get better and win now. Did they get better? Yes, obviously. Did they win? No.

One team wins. Are you suggesting that 31 teams that made a trade in a given season lost said trade solely because they didn't win the Cup?

 

[Menzinger]

Oh ok lol good to know that every trade is a loss unless they win the cup.

It really is the strangest logic. Apparently 99% of trades are ultimately losses then

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Lol this guy is literally saying every trade you make if you didn't win the cup is a loss, and then doubling down on it lmao. Using the same logic you could trade your elite player for a 4th liner and win the cup even like 5 years after, and he'd think that trade was a win.

I don't think I've read a post that bad ever, no lie

 

[Rob Brown]

2 games played outside of Pelletier since 2018 for other prospects.

Doesn't exactly give me confidence.

Not really a surprise that players drafted in 2020, 2021, and 2022 haven't made an impact for the Flames yet.

2019 had Pelletier and Wolf - both will be NHLers next year. Wolf is going to be an absolute stud.

2018 was a bust yes but they only had 5 picks, the best of which was the 4th round. Not always going to hit in the mid to late rounds.

 

[notbias]

Not really a surprise that players drafted in 2020, 2021, and 2022 haven't made an impact for the Flames yet.

2019 had Pelletier and Wolf - both will be NHLers next year. Wolf is going to be an absolute stud.

2018 was a bust yes but they only had 5 picks, the best of which was the 4th round. Not always going to hit in the mid to late rounds.

Dubas has over 350 in that time frame.

 

[trellaine201]

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[SeaOfBlue]

On one hand I don't like the whole recycling of the same GMs/coaches across the league. On the other hand, maybe the experience will be a plus. He had a decent draft track record in Calgary as well. So, willing to give him a chance I guess.

NHLers drafted under his watch in Calgary from 2015-2022:

Rasmus Andersson (2015)
Oliver Kylington (2015)
Andrew Mangiapane (2015)
Matthew Tkachuk (2016)
Dillon Dube (2016)
Adam Fox (2016)
Juuso Valimaki (2017)
Adam Ruzicka (2017)
Jakob Pelletier (2019)

Soon to be NHlers:

Matthew Phillips (2016)
Jakob Pelletier (2018)
Dustin Wolf (2018)
Connor Zary (2020)
Matt Coronato (2021)

Certainly missing some other prospects who will make the jump soon, but ya.

Valimaki was lost to waivers so that is not exactly a "win".

Kind of funny that almost all of those guys, outside of the top 10 picks in Tkachuk and Bennett, are undersized skill guys though. Although also guys who are hardly soft.

That won't make some people very happy, because that is very similar to what Dubas has been drafting.

 

[Bomber0104]

To make your team better? He made the team better. It's that simple. Durzi and Grundstrom would have made the Leafs better somehow? Teams make these trades all the time with hopes of winning.. Muzzin wasn't just a rental, he was here for awhile and gave the Leafs many seasons of great value.

But you're right, they didn't win, therefore they lost. It's that simple. Yep.

You may not like it but it's just the fact of the matter.

The team on the other end of the trade has players that may help in their win pursuit. It may or may not still work out for them, it's completely undetermined, but the value is still there and the dream is alive.

We have zero value left.

No player, no wins, and nevermind Cups, not even a playoff round with said player...

Sports can be ruthless.

 

[Rob Brown]

Dubas has over 350 in that time frame.

The majority of which are Sandin and Durzi, lol. 295 total, to be exact.

The Leafs have 3 regular season games played for prospects drafted 2020-2022.

You just drew an arbitrary line in the sand to dismiss what the Flames have done drafting wise for 8 years.

Valimaki was lost to waivers so that is not exactly a "win".

Kind of funny that almost all of those guys, outside of the top 10 picks in Tkachuk and Bennett, are undersized skill guys though. Although also guys who are hardly soft.

Sure, and they lost Fox as well. My point was just that he has a decent track record in the draft.

 

[notbias]

The majority of which are Sandin and Durzi, lol. 295 total, to be exact.

The Leafs have 3 regular season games played for prospects drafted 2020-2022.

You just drew an arbitrary line in the sand to dismiss what the Flames have done drafting wise for 8 years.


Sure, and they lost Fox as well. My point was just that he has a decent track record in the draft.

I drew a line when Dubas started drafting, much easier to compare.

Knies has more games played (3) than everyone drafted outside the first round since 2018 for Calgary.

 

[keonsbitterness]

A player scoring 47 points in 54 games on a 700k deal is exactly what any team wants.

The Leafs pay a handful of players scores more than that for far less.

Clearly Florida didn't want that since they let him go. I bet Dallas has a big case of buyer's remorse.

 

[Bomber0104]

The goal of the trades was to get better and win now. Did they get better? Yes, obviously. Did they win? No.

One team wins. Are you suggesting that 31 teams that made a trade in a given season lost said trade solely because they didn't win the Cup?

It would depend on the trade.

Most trades involve players, prospects, and picks, that are actively in play still.

 

[Rob Brown]

I drew a line when Dubas started drafting, much easier to compare.

Knies has more games played (3) than everyone drafted outside the first round since 2018 for Calgary.

Dubas has nothing to do with this nor does his track record in the draft. It's a Treliving thread - silly me for trying to inject even a hint of positivity into the thread.

 

[SprDaVE]

You may not like it but it's just the fact of the matter.

The team on the other end of the trade has players that may help in their win pursuit. It may or may not still work out for them, it's completely undetermined, but the value is still there and the dream is alive.

We have zero value left.

No player, no wins, and nevermind Cups, not even a playoff round with said player...

Sports can be ruthless.

The funny thing is that you went on a tangent to declare the Marchment for Malgin trade a major loss for the Leafs in terms of asset, which you'd be correct because it was a clear win for Florida unless you use your logic that winning is everything in assessing these trades. Marchment having a career year and didn't win a playoff round. Sounds like both were losers? I'm not sure where to go with this.

Thankfully, they were able to bounce back from losing that Marchment for Malgin trade though, we'll see.

 

[Bomber0104]

Clearly Florida didn't want that since they let him go. I bet Dallas has a big case of buyer's remorse.

And they also made a great move in cashing out.

Good on them.

For the price of Denis Malgin (0 points), they got 60 of their own.

 

[notbias]

Dubas has nothing to do with this nor does his track record in the draft. It's a Treliving thread - silly me for trying to inject even a hint of positivity into the thread.

Okay.

Treliving had two good drafts and the rest have been bad.

Better?

 

[Rob Brown]

And they also made a great move in cashing out.

Good on them.

For the price of Denis Malgin (0 points), they got 60 of their own.

How did they make a great move in cashing out when they lost Marchment for nothing? It did them nothing. You're arguing that a trade is only a 'win' if you win the Cup - the Panthers won nothing of substance with Marchment on their roster then lost him for nothing.

Okay.

Treliving had two good drafts and the rest have been bad.

Better?

Not sure how you can look at their list and say it's only two good drafts, but sure, all good.

 

[keonsbitterness]

And they also made a great move in cashing out.

Good on them.

For the price of Denis Malgin (0 points), they got 60 of their own.

Great. But they both still suck.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Dubas has over 350 in that time frame.

What did that get him??

 

[LeafalCrusader]

 

[notbias]

How did they make a great move in cashing out when they lost Marchment for nothing? It did them nothing. You're arguing that a trade is only a 'win' if you win the Cup - the Panthers won nothing of substance with Marchment on their roster then lost him for nothing.


Not sure how you can look at their list and say it's only two good drafts, but sure, all good.

2014 on.. which are good? 15/16 are the only good ones.

Bennett at 4 is not good.

 

[AndyWozniewski]

Whoever becomes GM is just gonna be a Shanahan puppet. Shanny might as well just take on the role himself.

 

[Bomber0104]

The funny thing is that you went on a tangent to declare the Marchment for Malgin trade a major loss, which you'd be correct because it was a clear win for Florida unless you use your logic that winning is everything in assessing these trades. Marchment having a career year and didn't win a playoff round. Sounds like both were losers? I'm not sure where to go with this.

Thankfully, they were able to bounce back from losing that Marchment for Malgin trade though, we'll see if they win.

Both players (Marchment + Malgin) are cashed out from either team.

LA still owns the pieces we traded away and are playing meaningful hockey for the team still, while Jake Muzzin isn't for ours and the Leafs did nothing on the winning front with him as a member...

These are two different scenarios.