Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs

SeaOfBlue

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Under the very strict set of limitations that Shanahan set for himself (experience and wanting control), Trevling was probably the best option we could get. Otherwise, it was no experience or Shanahan backing off and the latter certainly was not going to happen.

Oh well... Let's just hope he does what he needs to do with the Core 4 and doesn't mess up our drafting too bad.
 

LaPlante94

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So ownership is cheap when it comes to Tkachuk but lets him sign a 30 year old guy to 8X10M?

Oh you are salty about trading 1st round picks? Have a look at who and what he traded for Travis freaking Hamonic, who of course has left the team as a UFA, just like everyone else.

Treliving has won one more first round than Dubas, and no, the others werent 1st round exits, there were multiple missed playoffs as well.

But hey, at least Dubi glasses is gone and the ownership got their buddys little son
What? Ownership is cheap when it comes to putting in money for player development and analytics departments and all that stuff that Trevling wanted. They pay more for FA because nobody wants to go to Calgary unless you pay them.

When did I say anything about trading 1st round picks in that post?

Dubas inherited a 100 point team and a core of Matthews, Marner, Rielly and Nylander so if he missed the playoffs I'd be a little worried and he still only made the 2nd round his final year and won 1 game. Pittsburghs board is just a few clicks away and I'm sure they'd love you over there since you've been a bit upset since Dubas got fired. Pittsburghs ownership group got one of their owners buddies too in Dubas so everyone must be happy.
 

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This will be Shanny’s 4th GM. He should be fired if this doesn’t work out.

I wouldn't count Nonis personally... He was the leftover and he was fired pretty much immediately.

And even Lou was clearly a bridge for Dubas as his first real GM.

But he shouldn't get another renewal if Treliving goes wrong. His actions and words have created far too many unnecessary problems for this organization for him to not start getting results. You can't create this much of a mess in this market and not have something to show for it, so his neck has to be on the line here.
 

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I guess I missed the part that a home run is only by trading for someone? But ok.

Muzzin and McCabe additions were what I'd consider home runs. Multiple years of primed players and playing well seems good. McCabe on a 2M contract for 2 more seasons is very nice moving forward.

His trading history is pretty meh.

Just saying. I can’t think of one big win for Kyle Dubas in his years as GM, while he’s had some significant losses. A handful of small wins, sure. But nothing significant where we’ll benefit for years to come. Other than maybe drafting Knies? But I’ll chalk that up to Wes Clark (who he did bring in) and our scouting staff.

With that under consideration, I’m not sure what he’s done to deserve a cult-like following.
 

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Doesn't exactly excite me as a hire, but they could have hired a lot worse with some of the names that where out there.

Good thing about this is Treliving doesn't need to build the hockey club, just needs to find the right pieces to support and find a coach that can push the core to the next level.
 

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What? Ownership is cheap when it comes to putting in money for player development and analytics departments and all that stuff that Trevling wanted. They pay more for FA because nobody wants to go to Calgary unless you pay them.

When did I say anything about trading 1st round picks in that post?

Dubas inherited a 100 point team and a core of Matthews, Marner, Rielly and Nylander so if he missed the playoffs I'd be a little worried and he still only made the 2nd round his final year and won 1 game. Pittsburghs board is just a few clicks away and I'm sure they'd love you over there since you've been a bit upset since Dubas got fired. Pittsburghs ownership group got one of their owners buddies too in Dubas so everyone must be happy.

You dont even know what you wrote 5 minutes ago? Go back and read that again, you will find a little something about Dubas trading 1st round picks.

Who is the buddy of Dubas in the Pittsburgh ownership?

Thank you I'm more than fine here. I wanna see your reactions when the new GM butcheres the franchise on every july 1st like he always does
 

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Flames fan perspective:

He had some solid contract signings and trades over the years. Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk were all signed to bargain deals. The Lindholm trade was absolutely a huge win.

That being said, he played hard ball with our 2 elite players and they both left in part because of it. He refused to sign Tkachuk long term because he wanted to have room to sign Frolik, who he traded a year later. Tkachuk and Gaudreau both wanted big long term contracts a few years back which he rejected, wanting to wait and it blew up in his face.

Free agency, don't let him touch the phones. Troy Brouwer and James Neal come to mind.

I'd be most concerned with his track record of losing top players for scraps. Maybe he has learned his lesson, but I don't see him giving Auston Matthews a blank cheque. I'll just put it that way.
 
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Rob Brown

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On one hand I don't like the whole recycling of the same GMs/coaches across the league. On the other hand, maybe the experience will be a plus. He had a decent draft track record in Calgary as well. So, willing to give him a chance I guess.

NHLers drafted under his watch in Calgary from 2015-2022:

Rasmus Andersson (2015)
Oliver Kylington (2015)
Andrew Mangiapane (2015)
Matthew Tkachuk (2016)
Dillon Dube (2016)
Adam Fox (2016)
Juuso Valimaki (2017)
Adam Ruzicka (2017)
Jakob Pelletier (2019)

Soon to be NHlers:

Matthew Phillips (2016)
Jakob Pelletier (2018)
Dustin Wolf (2018)
Connor Zary (2020)
Matt Coronato (2021)

Certainly missing some other prospects who will make the jump soon, but ya.
 
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Oh yeah, I remember this. Considering how things ended up going, Shanahan looks pretty dumb for saying these things. For anyone that doesn't remember, here's a few excerpts and below a link where you can read what he said in it's ridiculous entirety.


We need players who want to be Maple Leafs,” Shanahan said when discussing his team in generalities. “This may not be for everyone.
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And at the end of the day, we see a great example with a John Tavares. We were able to attract a player like that who could have made more money elsewhere, who is still doing very, very well financially.
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I can speak from my personal experience that when I get together with some of my old mates from the Cup years in Detroit, we talk about winning together and growing together and that’s what we remember looking back,” Shanahan said. “At the end of the day, we all found a way we could fit with each other so we could keep adding to the group and that is obviously what we’re asking some of our young leaders to do. There’s a lot of other voices and understandably so. Like I said, it’s not for everyone. What I hope they can look back on 20 years or 30 years down the road, what will be most important to them, is whether or not they maxed out as an individual and as a team and that they have championships to look back on."


Honestly I don't get it. Didn't get it then, don't now. Isn't this what everyone hopes for? The Band huddles up and jointly decides, we're taking less to get this done?

I realize that the response here is honing in on Tavres at 11m, but that's a UFA contract for you, in the context of the point he's trying to make it's true.

In the context of it wasn't yet time to sign 11m UFA, sure, granted. But that's not the point he's driving at with these comments.
This will be Shanny’s 4th GM. He should be fired if this doesn’t work out.

Yes. Last kick at the can.
 
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That's how it typically works when you trade with futures. Leafs got some very good value from Muzzin and he was very good before he got derailed by a spinal injury. Are Durzi and Grundstrom going to have the same impact as Muzzin had? It seems very doubtful, but they got some good prospects while they rebuilt. I'd say both teams got what they wanted.

You can shit on Dubas for many things and I agree with all of it but the Muzzin trade gave the Leafs a much needed veteran defenseman for awhile.

Why did we acquire Muzzin and pay the price of prospects and picks?

To win?

Did we win?

No?

Then we lost.

LA lives on with these players to maybe win one day.

What we know is that we didn't win with Muzzin.
 

BertCorbeau

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Just saying. I can’t think of one big win for Kyle Dubas in his years as GM, while he’s had some significant losses. A handful of small wins, sure. But nothing significant where we’ll benefit for years to come. Other than maybe drafting Knies? But I’ll chalk that up to Wes Clark (who he did bring in) and our scouting staff.

With that under consideration, I’m not sure what he’s done to deserve a cult-like following.

His biggest win was probably getting that mid round first when he sold high on Kapanen .. off of the top of my head

Timmins for Douglas is showing some potential right now.

Have to look into it more
 
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Bomber0104

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Oh ok lol good to know that every trade is a loss unless they win.

Why would you make a trade sacrificing the future unless it was to win now?

The Leafs didn't "win now" with Muzzin.

I don't know what other purpose a trade serves other than to improve a team's chance to win.

You tell me...
 

SprDaVE

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Why would you make a trade sacrificing the future unless it was to win now?

The Leafs didn't "win now" with Muzzin.

I don't know what other purpose a trade serves other than to improve a team's chance to win.

You tell me...

To make your team better? He made the team better. It's that simple. Durzi and Grundstrom would have made the Leafs better somehow? Teams make these trades all the time with hopes of winning.. Muzzin wasn't just a rental, he was here for awhile and gave the Leafs many seasons of great value.

But you're right, they didn't win, therefore they lost. It's that simple. Yep.
 

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