Since Marners huge contract:
Playoffs
Marner: 30 games 5 g 30 points
Po points: 1 g 11 points
Nylander: 30 games 12 g 29 points.
PP points 5 g 8 points
Confirmed with Link: Brad Treliving named new GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs
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Playoffs
Marner: 30 games 5 g 30 points
Po points: 1 g 11 points
Nylander: 30 games 12 g 29 points.
PP points 5 g 8 points
WTFMAN99
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Marner is better all around, he plays on the PK too and in the Selke conversation, that's not nothing.
Nylander is good-great too.
In a perfect world, Tavares is going somewhere else.
Martin Skoula
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Him back checking is fine and all, no problems there. But he gets sloppy in the offensive zone in the playoffs and creates the need to back check in the first place.
WTFMAN99
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Playoff Marner in the Florida series looked like a guy who felt like he needed to be doing a lot but how he went about doing that was poor. He felt like he needed to make big plays or nice looking plays etc but was turning over the puck like crazy.
Nylander's stat line in that series was the best of the big 4 but in reality, it also wasn't anything to write home about.
Brad Treliving mentioned that Keefe doesn't think he has all the answers and is open to change. I speculated that Keefe was Dubas puppet and that he didn't necessarily agree with the style of play but Dubas held the card. It was evident in the Amazon series and in post games where Keefe repeated the Leafs didn't score playoff style goals and that the teams lacks leadership voices on the bench.
Will be interesting to see what Treliving does. When he acquired Dougie Hamilton he said "I think it's critical to build your team from the defense out."
I can't see him being satisfied with this D corp.... But just like Dubas, without moving one of the big 4 forwards, he's stuck moving around bottom 6 and bottom 2 pairing defensemen.
Though Keefe isn't a Nylander fan but he's a big Marner fan.
Marner vs Florida looked like a guy who wants to be a star but doesn't have the skillset or heart to do so. List off star players and most engage in physical play, they cycle, they go to the oppositions front of the net, they get in opponents faces. Mitch Marner literally thinks he's going to be impactful not doing any of the aforementioned. He's too slow to carry the luck through the neutral zone and he's too weak on the puck or afraid of contact to cycle the puck. He needs a lot of things to change for him to look like a star. He's on what year 7 of playoffs, 6 of which he definitely has not good relative to expectations. Through two coaches. Two gms. At some point you call a spade a spade.
WTFMAN99
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I'm not there yet personally but understand how some people may arrive there.
I’ve been gone for the entire past season but let me just start off my first of several, multithread rants by saying Treliving is probably the most desperate hire I have ever seen. His sheer loser magnitude is only matched by the core and Dubas. Shanahan should be unemployed rn. He’s seemingly the architect of this trash heap
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Marner was as good as nylander vs flordia
He was strong in round 1.
The issue is that the big 4 are 3rd-6th best players on a cup winning team each who are expected and paid to be the 1st to 4th best.
None of these guys have the capacity for it
The sense I get is he's worried sbout AM & WN signing. Seemed quite tense....dosent want to relive the Gaudreau situation.
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The biggest failure is Shanny. Dosent give a shit about this team. Now we can see through the smokescreen. Should have canned this wannabe pos Prez lonnnng ago.....
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Wohhhhh regarding the bolded. That happened? if yes, dubas was a bigger piece of trash that I initially thought he was.
I didn't see the amazon series because i just cannot stand dubas. but... i'd like to watch this clip if you have it on YouTube or so.
lack of Playoff style goals and lack of leadership was always apparent to me; I just didn't know that Keefe also had similar views even if only for a couple games or so
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I don't know why they even bothered hiring Treliving.
So he could make blockbuster trades involving third and fourth liners?
Matthews agent is the one who will be dictating the terms of that extension. So maybe, just maybe, that leaves Nylander to get traded eventually if he doesn't re-sign. That's if they don't walk him to free agency instead.
Given both Treliving's, and the team's, recent history that wouldn't surprise me.
Nothing this organization does makes any sense. This is the second time they replaced the GM when, arguably, the most important contracts in team history needed negotiating. This time they hired the guy that just botched re-signing his own superstars.
Replacing a guy with no playoffs success with someone who has an even lengthier record of no playoffs success.
So he could make blockbuster trades involving third and fourth liners?
Matthews agent is the one who will be dictating the terms of that extension. So maybe, just maybe, that leaves Nylander to get traded eventually if he doesn't re-sign. That's if they don't walk him to free agency instead.
Given both Treliving's, and the team's, recent history that wouldn't surprise me.
Nothing this organization does makes any sense. This is the second time they replaced the GM when, arguably, the most important contracts in team history needed negotiating. This time they hired the guy that just botched re-signing his own superstars.
Replacing a guy with no playoffs success with someone who has an even lengthier record of no playoffs success.
Looking at Trelivings body of work, it's hard not to be intrigued. It's pretty good.
Out from Calgary: 15th overall, Ferlund, Glencross, 2nd
In: Lindholm (2013 3rd overall) and Hanifin (2015 5th overall)
To Calgary: Toffoli
To Montreal: 20th pick and former 2nd
He signed Chris Tanev as a UFA
He acquired Zadorov for a 3rd
He almost acquired Kadri for Brodie (Kadri nixed it)
He signed Markstrom (not terrible at 6 mill)
He drafted Tkachuk
He drafted Dube, Andersson, Mangiapane, fox, Klyington
I don't like the Huberdeau trade and the Kadri signing but seems the wheels came off with Sutter, and Treliving was between a rock and a hard place. Many fans here initially really liked the Huberdeau deals. He appears to be a quick learner too, as he referenced keeping Keefe because he's liked by his players. Possibly because of the Sutter fiasco.
With his experience with Gaudreau leaving after he initially thought he wouldn't, it makes me feel for comfortable with him leading the Matthews, Nylander and upcoming Marner negotiations.
Out from Calgary: 15th overall, Ferlund, Glencross, 2nd
In: Lindholm (2013 3rd overall) and Hanifin (2015 5th overall)
To Calgary: Toffoli
To Montreal: 20th pick and former 2nd
He signed Chris Tanev as a UFA
He acquired Zadorov for a 3rd
He almost acquired Kadri for Brodie (Kadri nixed it)
He signed Markstrom (not terrible at 6 mill)
He drafted Tkachuk
He drafted Dube, Andersson, Mangiapane, fox, Klyington
I don't like the Huberdeau trade and the Kadri signing but seems the wheels came off with Sutter, and Treliving was between a rock and a hard place. Many fans here initially really liked the Huberdeau deals. He appears to be a quick learner too, as he referenced keeping Keefe because he's liked by his players. Possibly because of the Sutter fiasco.
With his experience with Gaudreau leaving after he initially thought he wouldn't, it makes me feel for comfortable with him leading the Matthews, Nylander and upcoming Marner negotiations.
Clearly, being a Leafs fan isn’t making you happy. Maybe it’s time to step away, temporarily or permanentl. Cheer for another team. Or don’t follow hockey at all and put that time and energy into other interests. But it just seems silly to keep doing something that makes you unhappy.
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Is/was defense really the issue in the playoffs? To me,it wasn't. For a few years now, it's been the offense choking.
Well this is some awesome news, I hope it's true. Maybe Matthews and co. have learned that team > individual
I don't know if he inspired more confidence, but I feel he comes across as more genuine when he talks as opposed to Dubas, who always had a smug "I'm the smartest guy in the room" aura to him.
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Are there any quotes from Matthews actually saying this stuff that's attributed to him?
No, just reports. But all the reports coming out seem very positive, EF guarantees he's staying and not going anywhere. Now Seravalli claims Matthews wants to win, he just doesn't wanna get paid. Nothing come straight from Matthews but all the insiders have positive news.
Drinking from a fire house is a pretty common phrase.
Dreger said the same thing on Overdrive yesterday
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