Hardball with our current leading scorer? You mean the same guy who sat out half a season playing hardball for like 400K more? He's probably not gonna be signing for a while now because he knew he could produce just as well as the others who didn't take pay cuts so why would he rush to signing an extension knowing he's worth just as much as Marner is now.
how sad is it to be praising Dubas for only trading a 2nd rd pick from a draft which was four years away at the time he was fired . lol
the Leafs are missing their next three 2nds and a 1st next year which is terrible because they have almost nothing to show for all the picks Dubas traded outside of McCabe , lol
That is pretty much this thread.
no one's praising Tre for some of the moves this off season . Reaves/Berg .
Are you serious?
don't try to spin my post , no one's saying we can't discuss Tre's off season moves , it's just no one's going to listen to constant bitching about him from the last GM's supporters who believed every move he made was a stroke of genius
sad you'll go as far as bringing up a poor kids tragic death in some weird defense of Dubas
Not everyone who is critical of the current GM is a fan boy of the last one. They aren't the ones derailing the thread by bringing him up constantly either. And it should be pretty easy to debate them on the merits of the current guy without obsessing about the former guy.
yup it's the anti Dubas crowd that's derailing this thread . lol
It is absolutely your crowd that is derailing the thread. You can’t stop bringing up a GM that doesn’t even work here anymore.
I discussed many of the moves by the new guy a few posts up but you keep harping about why people are so mean to Dubas .
I have said plenty about Treliving in this thread feel free to go back and read. Often countered by some weird whataboutisms by a certain obsessed segment of this fan base.
It go both ways. You can't even say something like "Wow this team is lacking draft picks in the up coming years to help with any significant trade." without being attacked by a select few goin on about what a great team Dubas has left us and that it shouldnt matter.
I think that is also true. Some people in here pick sides and will defend their side and attack the other no matter what.
Tell it to people actually paid for their opinion to look at the farm system. You Dubists are the best. Our cupboard has been decimated, our ability to make trades handicapped. Anyways, it’s like talking to a wall.
What is this ''modern'' game you speak of ?
It doesn’t necessarily have to be sides though. I really liked Dubas by the end and thought if they kept him around eventually he would deliver a cup. I’d hate to be lumped into to some polarized camp just for rationalizing Trelivings moves from my perspective. It’s pretty intense in here and it definitely isn’t just from anti Dubas people.
It’s far more likely Nylander is the one playing hardball. History has a way of repeating itself.
Exactly, I actually argued we keep Dubas before he made his power move, he seemed to have learned hockey isn’t a spread sheet. That doesn’t mean I absolve his past errors, only acknowledge his evolution, and the devil you know mentality. Tre is an open question, I just find it funny how obvious some are here with him, and then claim to be objective observers. Didn’t like Klingberg or Reaves, love Domi and Bert, also like the short term deals. Let’s see how he reshapes the D.
Vegas absolutely built a modern team. Big physical and grinding but they can actually play. They move the puck and defend well.
His fatal error with Klingberg, he watched him all those years in the west, the Norris caliber guy, and convinced himself he could regain that form. We did need more production from the backend, but the Klingberg of the last two years was reality and he didn’t update his thinking. At least it was a one year flyer. It is ironic that we’re looking for a Schenn type now.
