Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[horner]

Micromanaging segments of the regular season in December seems like a useless thing to do. Sorry but I've been bickered at way too much about "small sample sizes" to put any value on any of this.

The playoffs are what's going to decide Treliving's fate and legacy, not his December.


I'm a little confused here: what exactly changed between now and then? AFAIK we haven't made any sweeping changes to the roster.

Keefe
Giving younger players a chance to play.
TJ on the 3rd line
Bertuzzi on PP1
Ljilgren playing much better
Benoit growing as a player

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Horrible job by Treliving so far this deadline.

He missed out on the big fish he really wanted. So settled on a different big fish. Ending up with a tuna instead of a shark

The most celebrated thing about this trade is how cheap Lyubushkin will be.

After retention Leafs will be paying less than league minimum. I've always been a big believer you get what you pay for. If you pay minimum wage you should only expect minimum work.

So what does that mean when you pay even less?

It doesn't matter if there is another move yet to come either. Doubling down now would just be expensive and stupid. This was a bad trade.

But at least the Leafs have a monopoly on elite #6 defensemen.

 

[Shooter2x]

Horrible job by Treliving so far this deadline.

He missed out on the big fish he really wanted. So settled on a different big fish. Ending up with a tuna instead of a shark

The most celebrated thing about this trade is how cheap Lyubushkin will be.

After retention Leafs will be paying less than league minimum. I've always been a big believer you get what you pay for. If you pay minimum wage you should only expect minimum work.

So what does that mean when you pay even less?

It doesn't matter if there is another move yet to come either. Doubling down now would just be expensive and stupid. This was a bad trade.

But at least the Leafs have a monopoly on elite #6 defensemen.

Getting a contender to eat salary for you near the trade deadline is a pretty bad ass move.

At least it wasn't Seth Jarvis to Canes, Mr. Dubas fan burner account. We'll survive losing the 6th rounder to reduce a cap hit.

 

[canuckslover10]

If I'm the Leafs I'm firing him in the offseason, he was absolutely disastrous during the offseason, the main reason this team is still doing well is despite of Trieliving. Mainly Matthews, Marner, and Nylander have absolutely carried. The defense is okay but it could have been much better and the same could also be said about the secondary scoring.

 

[GoonieFace]

Horrible job by Treliving so far this deadline.

He missed out on the big fish he really wanted. So settled on a different big fish. Ending up with a tuna instead of a shark

The most celebrated thing about this trade is how cheap Lyubushkin will be.

After retention Leafs will be paying less than league minimum. I've always been a big believer you get what you pay for. If you pay minimum wage you should only expect minimum work.

So what does that mean when you pay even less?

It doesn't matter if there is another move yet to come either. Doubling down now would just be expensive and stupid. This was a bad trade.

But at least the Leafs have a monopoly on elite #6 defensemen.

The deadline is next Friday….great trade

If I'm the Leafs I'm firing him in the offseason, he was absolutely disastrous during the offseason, the main reason this team is still doing well is despite of Trieliving. Mainly Matthews, Marner, and Nylander have absolutely carried. The defense is okay but it could have been much better and the same could also be said about the secondary scoring.

How’s about you go back to the Canucks board and eat some granola

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Horrible job by Treliving so far this deadline.

He missed out on the big fish he really wanted. So settled on a different big fish. Ending up with a tuna instead of a shark

The most celebrated thing about this trade is how cheap Lyubushkin will be.

After retention Leafs will be paying less than league minimum. I've always been a big believer you get what you pay for. If you pay minimum wage you should only expect minimum work.

So what does that mean when you pay even less?

It doesn't matter if there is another move yet to come either. Doubling down now would just be expensive and stupid. This was a bad trade.

But at least the Leafs have a monopoly on elite #6 defensemen.

James Tanner, is that you?

 

[Donnie740]

It’s great to have a GM who doesn’t give away his 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks for an injured hack like Nick Foligno or an overrated 3rd line guy who couldn’t wait to get out of Toronto as fast as possible like Ryan O’Reilly.

Really hope Treliving hangs onto his 1st round pick this year since the Leafs have ZERO picks next year until the 5th round thanks to the incompetence of Kyle Dumbass.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Right now Brad is winning by not overpaying. I doubt he makes a big splash.

He has said many times that you can't add too much at the TDL and revamp your team and expect cohesiveness to happen in 20g or so. He is being smart about it IMO. I think 90% or more of TDL deals for higher end players make little to no difference for the acquiring team. It's so rare to have a big splash TDL player live up to the hype. I think most deals that work are the depth players that don't cost a lot competitively speaking.

 

[darrylsittler27]

He has said many times that you can't add too much at the TDL and revamp your team and expect cohesiveness to happen in 20g or so. He is being smart about it IMO. I think 90% or more of TDL deals for higher end players make little to no difference for the acquiring team. It's so rare to have a big splash TDL player live up to the hype. I think most deals that work are the depth players that don't cost a lot competitively speaking.

Butch Goring NYI is the last time I saw it equal a cup. Pre Gretzky years.

 

[kevsh]

Right now Brad is winning by not overpaying. I doubt he makes a big splash.

Yesterday Kypreos suggested that this can't be the only move, otherwise why bother giving away a 3rd for a UFA then calling it a day? Lyubushkin doesn't move the needle on this team's playoff outlook, neither will any moves that just add depth. If it was just an emergency move to get a right-shot D, considering how few picks this team has someone much cheaper could have been acquired.

So it makes sense that this move is just the first in Treliving's attempt to turn this roster into a contender.

Personally, I think it's a huge mistake as this team is multiple major pieces away (or more bluntly, the Leafs are not winning anything with this core, ever) but by now MLSE's strategy is crystal clear: Go big every year while you've got the stars, future be damned. So yes, I expect Tre's going to at least try and make at least one major move, likely on the blueline and pray this year they finally get it right.

 

[Egghead1999]

The deadline is next Friday….great trade


How’s about you go back to the Canucks board and eat some granola

He is not wrong.
However, Tre is so lucky. All wrong moves do not come back and bite him, even the dumb Nylander is not worth 10M AAV move makes the team better. Who knows Nylander is the alpha of alpha

 

[PromisedLand]

Shanahan is a f***ing JOKE and a SNAKE

 

[Sypher04]

Horrible job by Treliving so far this deadline.

He missed out on the big fish he really wanted. So settled on a different big fish. Ending up with a tuna instead of a shark

The most celebrated thing about this trade is how cheap Lyubushkin will be.

After retention Leafs will be paying less than league minimum. I've always been a big believer you get what you pay for. If you pay minimum wage you should only expect minimum work.

So what does that mean when you pay even less?

It doesn't matter if there is another move yet to come either. Doubling down now would just be expensive and stupid. This was a bad trade.

But at least the Leafs have a monopoly on elite #6 defensemen.

Do you ever post anything that isn’t whining? Serious question.

This deal makes a lot of sense. Lybushkin didn’t cost much, is right handed, big, physical, will clear the net front and lend a hand to the PK. Familiar to the coaching staff and fit in well his first stint here. People understand the conversion rate of a 3rd round pick becoming an NHLer is like 1 in 10 right? This team is in their prime window to contend now. Lybushkin doesn’t move the needle on the surface and other moves are still needed, but we need the depth and if he can help with the PK then it is draft capital well spent as our PK is gonna be a MAJOR issue for us in the playoffs if we don’t figure it out

People will post their stupid ass charts saying how he’s terrible this year while ignoring the team factor that goes into his metrics. Yeah, I bet he has struggled there, as has the vast majority of the team. What we need from Lyubushkin isn’t the same as what Buffalo or Anaheim needed because we don’t suck. I could not be less interested in all the self proclaimed analytics gurus on Twitter and their models.

 

[Donnie740]

He has said many times that you can't add too much at the TDL and revamp your team and expect cohesiveness to happen in 20g or so. He is being smart about it IMO. I think 90% or more of TDL deals for higher end players make little to no difference for the acquiring team. It's so rare to have a big splash TDL player live up to the hype. I think most deals that work are the depth players that don't cost a lot competitively speaking.

Agree 100% - - it’s not just a lack of cohesion from the new players but it disrupts the chemistry by taking away guys who have been there all year.

Not to mention the ridiculous cost for a mediocre rental player.

The Leafs have been playing fantastic hockey over the past six weeks - - why make a bunch of panic moves just for the sake of saying you’re “active” at the deadline?

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Agree 100% - - it’s not just a lack of cohesion from the new players but it disrupts the chemistry by taking away guys who have been there all year.

Not to mention the ridiculous cost for a mediocre rental player.

The Leafs have been playing fantastic hockey over the past six weeks - - why make a bunch of panic moves just for the sake of saying you’re “active” at the deadline?

We tried this approach last season and it didn't work well. Yeah, we won a round, but it can be argued that we were fortunate to win. I felt we played better the season before against Tampa and lost because of refereeing, not our play.

 

[nuck]

Yesterday Kypreos suggested that this can't be the only move, otherwise why bother giving away a 3rd for a UFA then calling it a day? Lyubushkin doesn't move the needle on this team's playoff outlook, neither will any moves that just add depth. If it was just an emergency move to get a right-shot D, considering how few picks this team has someone much cheaper could have been acquired.

So it makes sense that this move is just the first in Treliving's attempt to turn this roster into a contender.

Personally, I think it's a huge mistake as this team is multiple major pieces away (or more bluntly, the Leafs are not winning anything with this core, ever) but by now MLSE's strategy is crystal clear: Go big every year while you've got the stars, future be damned. So yes, I expect Tre's going to at least try and make at least one major move, likely on the blueline and pray this year they finally get it right.

There has to be another move because the cap space saved otherwise has no purpose. The other move could be Boosh level of course which wouldn't show a real commitment to a playoff drive but all they can do is give themselves options. Its the other clubs that determine what's possible. So a bit of cap space and he says the 1st might be in play. He has to be thinking of something more than adding a 3rd pairing D talent. If you accept they were close on Tanev/Zadorov before and it was only retention that killed it, then he could have had Tanev alone if that was his big play, but he wanted something different. Remember he wanted Z AND Tanev. A rightie and a great big Russian side of beef and some retention. He has added his Russian side of beef with retention so...

Lyubushkin is only a problem if it prevents another more significant deal and I don't think spending a 3rd does that. The next deal is the important one. Getting crowded on the right side tho if another is coming..

 

[LeafsFan89]

He's playing it smart. Hard to make roster altering decisions at the TDL. He is keeping things open with the small cap hit of Boosh in case something that he can't say no to comes along. Obviously I would love a #1 D partner for Rielly, but that probably happens in the off-season.

I would rather this team work on cohesiveness and character than inserting another rental that will walk in 4 months. How many teams (including the Leafs) make TDL acquisitions and get bounced in the first round?

 

[Donnie740]

There has to be another move because the cap space saved otherwise has no purpose. The other move could be Boosh level of course which wouldn't show a real commitment to a playoff drive but all they can do is give themselves options. Its the other clubs that determine what's possible. So a bit of cap space and he says the 1st might be in play. He has to be thinking of something more than adding a 3rd pairing D talent. If you accept they were close on Tanev/Zadorov before and it was only retention that killed it, then he could have had Tanev alone if that was his big play, but he wanted something different. Remember he wanted Z AND Tanev. A rightie and a great big Russian side of beef and some retention. He has added his Russian side of beef with retention so...

Lyubushkin is only a problem if it prevents another more significant deal and I don't think spending a 3rd does that. The next deal is the important one. Getting crowded on the right side tho if another is coming..

They’ve only got about $600k of cap room remaining.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Shanahan is a f***ing JOKE and a SNAKE

That is why Leafs are screwed they paid top dollar for no playoff success

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Butch Goring NYI is the last time I saw it equal a cup. Pre Gretzky years.

I was going to use that example but figured a lot of people wouldn't know who I was talking about let alone the impact he had on the NYI. He is literally the ONLY guy I can even think of going back 50yrs....maybe Trottier to the Pens...but don't think that was a TDL deal.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Horrible job by Treliving so far this deadline.

He missed out on the big fish he really wanted. So settled on a different big fish. Ending up with a tuna instead of a shark

The most celebrated thing about this trade is how cheap Lyubushkin will be.

After retention Leafs will be paying less than league minimum. I've always been a big believer you get what you pay for. If you pay minimum wage you should only expect minimum work.

So what does that mean when you pay even less?

It doesn't matter if there is another move yet to come either. Doubling down now would just be expensive and stupid. This was a bad trade.

But at least the Leafs have a monopoly on elite #6 defensemen.

This deadline hasn't come yet and the last Tre was with the Flames.

 

[Gabriel426]

This is the truth. I think the only one who is available(by the media) that would really make the Leafs a true contender is Markstorms and thats bc he is a goalie.
No dman can and will make the Leafs into a true contender. No forward can and will make the Leafs into a true contender.
In order for the Leafs to become a true contender is for AM, MM, Willie, and JT to all show up and play like they are all capable of while guys like Domi, Bert, McMann, and Knies chip in some offense here and there plus Reilly plays like his usual Playoffs Reilly self.
To me, Tre's job needs to find pieces that can help the top guys be better. Boosh is one of them as he is RD that PK and had played with Reilly.

 

[Menzinger]

That is why Leafs are screwed they paid top dollar for no playoff success

I mean looking at things from that perspective,. the Nucks have missed the playoffs for 4/5 of Petterson's seasons in the league so far before this one

 

[canuckslover10]

The deadline is next Friday….great trade


How’s about you go back to the Canucks board and eat some granola

The Leafs are my 2nd favorite team why is everyone so defensive here

 

[hullsy47]

James Tanner, is that you?

Tanner is a pigeon