Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Leaf Fans]

Brendan Shanahan Blocked a Trade That Could Have Changed the Maple Leafs Forever​

As the dust settles from the Kyle Dubas fallout, more details have emerged regarding the relationship between Dubas and Shanahan. It turns out, Shanahan prevented Dubas from making a massive trade that would've greatly impacted the Leafs.

Dubas Almost Acquired Hagel and Fleury

Back during last year's trade deadline, every general manager was scrambling to find ways to make their team better. In Kyle Dubas' eyes, that was going to be making a massive splash by acquiring Brandon Hagel and Marc-Andre Fleury.

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The trade never came to be, with Hagel getting traded to Tampa Bay and Fleury to Minnesota. But it turns out, Shanahan may be the blame for this massive deal never coming to fruition.

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If true, this could be an indicator of Shanahan's trust level in Dubas. Vetoing trades at the deadline which would clearly make your team better is a big deal and means that Shanahan probably didn't like the risk involved.

The Knies Factor​

Another factor in this massive deal was the inclusion of Matthew Knies, who has since signed with Toronto and already made an impact. The Leafs coveted Knies as their top prospect and were clearly hesitant about his inclusion in this deal.

Whether or not the Leafs would've been better off today had they made this trade is up for speculation, but one thing is certain. It gives us a much better look into the relationship Shanahan and Dubas had.

OK, but the sources are in disagreement Dreger claims that Dubas turns down the trade.
The Leaf Fan in a Van ( no word on whether it is down by the river) created a condition starting with If.
There is no evidence here of Shanny blocking the trade. Not in any of the tweets you used to support the rumour anyway.

 

[cyris]

Can we rename this thread Dubas is doing a terrible job?

 

[Donnie740]

Can we rename this thread Dubas is doing a terrible job?

Dumbass has been doing a terrible job ever since he was foolishly given a position he’s hopelessly unqualified for.

This year’s debacle in Pittsburgh is just a continuation of his mismanagement over the past half decade in Toronto.

 

[cyris]

Dumbass has been doing a terrible job ever since he was foolishly given a position he’s hopelessly unqualified for.

This year’s debacle in Pittsburgh is just a continuation of his mismanagement over the past half decade in Toronto.

Cool…..
I’m not sure how Dubas is doing in Pittsburgh this season has anything to do with the job Treliving is doing as the current Leafs GM.

 

[Donnie740]

Cool…..
I’m not sure how Dubas is doing in Pittsburgh this season has anything to do with the job Treliving is doing as the current Leafs GM.

My comment was in response to the suggestion in Post #3977.

I have no idea either why people want to rename topics in his name in recognition of the catastrophic debacle of the Dumbass Era in Toronto.

Can we rename this thread Dubas is doing a terrible job?

 

[cyris]

My comment was in response to the suggestion in Post #3977.

I have no idea either why people want to rename topics in his name in recognition of the catastrophic debacle of the Dumbass Era in Toronto.

Yeah and my point was that Dubas isn’t the GM anymore. He failed here but he is gone.

And this is supposed to be a thread to discuss the current GM not the former one despite that Dubas seems to be dominating the conversation. People use past failures to excuse current ones and it’s pointless.

People excused things Dubas did because of the area where Lou did things wrong. People defended Lou’s mistakes by pointing out the things Burke and Nonis did wrong. And before that people excused the mistakes of Burke by highlighting all of JFJ failings.

Maybe if we didn’t spend the first years of every new GMs tenure here obsessing over the previous guys we wouldn’t be so quick to accept failure.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I don't know how he got Bertuzzi so cheap?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don't know how he got Bertuzzi so cheap?

All the money gets spent July 1 and thank god it does.

 

[Stephen]

My point.

The Karlsson trade isn't the disaster you think it is.

To the extent that Pittsburgh was already entering its death spiral, yeah Karlsson isn't the disaster that started it. But if the trade was supposed to make them a championship contender again, it didn't do that. The real issue is Karlsson is locked in so long and for so much that it's going to run well into the Dubas contract and be a boat anchor for a rebuild.

 

[Stephen]

Ridly Greig really turned this Treliving ship around...

 

[cyris]

All the money gets spent July 1 and thank god it does.

Honestly I’d rather our GM almost always take the first day of FA off.
The best teams are built through drafting and trades with only a few holes filled through FA and the best deals almost always come from the guy who don’t get paid on day 1.

 

[Drytoast]

Treliving better be figuring out who to trade. Jones or Samsonov. because Woll's training stint isn't going to last forever and the kid deserves his spot on this team and whomever is sent down isn't going to survive waivers.

And if he isn't? And we just lose a goalie asset for nothing?

He's an idiot.

 

[Dreakmur]

Treliving better be figuring out who to trade. Jones or Samsonov. because Woll's training stint isn't going to last forever and the kid deserves his spot on this team and whomever is sent down isn't going to survive waivers.

And if he isn't? And we just lose a goalie asset for nothing?

He's an idiot.

Losing Martin Jones for nothing is meaningless.

 

[cyris]

Treliving better be figuring out who to trade. Jones or Samsonov. because Woll's training stint isn't going to last forever and the kid deserves his spot on this team and whomever is sent down isn't going to survive waivers.

And if he isn't? And we just lose a goalie asset for nothing?

He's an idiot.

I probably wait till after the deadline and waive Jones then. No one claiming him could use him in the playoffs which would drastically increase his chances of passing through.
Just carry 3 goalies until then

 

[Clark4Ever]

If Bertuzzi and Domi can maintain their level of production since Keefe switched up the lines, Treliving's off season will look a hell of a lot better.

Jones, Benoit and Lagesson have been key under the radar acquisitions, but we need Bertuzzi and Domi to be playing to their potential to compete with the top teams in the playoffs.

 

[Donnie740]

Treliving better be figuring out who to trade. Jones or Samsonov. because Woll's training stint isn't going to last forever and the kid deserves his spot on this team and whomever is sent down isn't going to survive waivers.

And if he isn't? And we just lose a goalie asset for nothing?

He's an idiot.

This is contrived hand wringing. It would be completely nonsensical to trade either Jones or Samsonov.

Jones was on the scrap heap unwanted by anyone when Treliving brilliantly got him signed to a 1yr minimum salary deal. Samsonov and his 1yr contract has already been sent down to the minors once this year.

What do you realistically expect to get in a trade for either of them? An 8th round pick in a 7 round draft? The rights to Nail Yakupov?

Treliving literally has ZERO invested in both Jones and Samsonov. He didn’t give up any draft picks to acquire them. He didn’t give up any players or prospects to acquire them.

Both can walk in the offseason and the Leafs won’t suffer any short term or long term loss.

It’s an absolute no-brainer to keep both along with Woll for the playoffs. Unless you want to try and spin the narrative that maybe Toronto won’t make the playoffs this year?

 

[Jojalu]

To the extent that Pittsburgh was already entering its death spiral, yeah Karlsson isn't the disaster that started it. But if the trade was supposed to make them a championship contender again, it didn't do that. The real issue is Karlsson is locked in so long and for so much that it's going to run well into the Dubas contract and be a boat anchor for a rebuild.

If you start a rebuild and need help getting to the floor, them Karlsson would help.

If he continues to play well, they recoup the pick by retaining.

I am happy that Dubas didn't bring him to TO.

 

[Gabriel426]

Tre signings seem to be all paying dividends.
Bert been doing really good but scoring and now that he is scoring, let’s hope he continues.
Same with Domi.
Benoit is not just great depth, he is a solid 4/5.
Legesson and Jones are great depth at their position.
Reaves is playing his part.
The only one not doing well is on LTIR and if he comes back and kills it in the playoffs. That would be epic.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

For anyone knocking Karlsson, have you looked at his numbers?

All stats 5-on-5 from NST and Hockey-Reference

ATOI=24:26, g=7, a=34, pts=41, +9, CF%=54.9, FF%=53.0, SF%=54.5, GF%=55.3, xg%=54.8, SCF%=56.2, HDCF%=57.9, HDGF%=52.2

These are some of the best numbers of his career and, other than the gaudy points totals, are better than his Norris winning season last year.

If the Leafs could somehow afford to fit Karlsson on the team they should be doing everything they can to get him.

 

[Racer88]

To the extent that Pittsburgh was already entering its death spiral, yeah Karlsson isn't the disaster that started it. But if the trade was supposed to make them a championship contender again, it didn't do that. The real issue is Karlsson is locked in so long and for so much that it's going to run well into the Dubas contract and be a boat anchor for a rebuild.

Sounds strangely like the Tavares deal

 

[Drytoast]

This is contrived hand wringing. It would be completely nonsensical to trade either Jones or Samsonov.

Jones was on the scrap heap unwanted by anyone when Treliving brilliantly got him signed to a 1yr minimum salary deal. Samsonov and his 1yr contract has already been sent down to the minors once this year.

What do you realistically expect to get in a trade for either of them? An 8th round pick in a 7 round draft? The rights to Nail Yakupov?

Treliving literally has ZERO invested in both Jones and Samsonov. He didn’t give up any draft picks to acquire them. He didn’t give up any players or prospects to acquire them.

Both can walk in the offseason and the Leafs won’t suffer any short term or long term loss.

It’s an absolute no-brainer to keep both along with Woll for the playoffs. Unless you want to try and spin the narrative that maybe Toronto won’t make the playoffs this year?

Since their are likely teams looking for goaltending depth into the playoffs, this is likely when eithers value is going to be at its highest.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Treliving better be figuring out who to trade. Jones or Samsonov. because Woll's training stint isn't going to last forever and the kid deserves his spot on this team and whomever is sent down isn't going to survive waivers.

And if he isn't? And we just lose a goalie asset for nothing?

He's an idiot.

Man you really don't like Treliving do you?

I mean nobody here should be a fan of the GM, of any team, in any sport but sports are results based and so far the results are pretty good.

The team is rapidly rising up the standings

The PP is clicking

I'm not fully comfortable with the goaltending, don't think I ever will be but It's been really good lately

The team is getting depth scoring.

They have 2 really solid D pairs.

Are there things I'd to see added? Of course like I said they have 2 really solid D pairs Rielly still needs a partner.

And I'd like to add a couple more forwards, one to help the PK because that is a concern, and a depth scorer, because I do wonder what happens to the depth scoring when Bobby Mcmann cools off.

But Overall the team that Treliving has put together is pretty damn good.

Sounds strangely like the Tavares deal

Except the Tavares deal has worked for the first 5 years, the Karlsson deal never did.

 

[GoonieFace]

Treliving better be figuring out who to trade. Jones or Samsonov. because Woll's training stint isn't going to last forever and the kid deserves his spot on this team and whomever is sent down isn't going to survive waivers.

And if he isn't? And we just lose a goalie asset for nothing?

He's an idiot.

Get some sleep

 

[DarkKnight]

The snot factor is real.

 

[weems]

The snot factor is real.

Every time I hear this term being used I think of the first scene from The Wire