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Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

Donnie740 said:
I certainly don’t think Beardy Goudas would have been running Leaf players and intimidating for the entire series had Reaves been in the line up.

I’m also fairly confident that Sammy Bennett wouldn’t have KTFO’d the new rookie Knies either.

Let’s be honest - - the Leafs have been physically manhandled in every playoff series for the past half decade.

Even in the one series they managed to win, Tampa Bay was by far the more physical team.

Have you forgotten how little Stevie Stamkos jumped Matthews and was swinging him around in circles like a rag doll? Or the way three of Tampa’s thugs were going at the Leafs bench and only Luke Schenn was willing to stand up to them?

Impossible to win in the playoffs with such a soft puss team like the ones Kyle Dumbass put together every year.

Treliving made sure that’s not happening this year with his signing. Bert isn’t going to be the least bit intimidated by anyone. Domi has no problem dropping the gloves. Neither does Benoit.

And there’s no comparison between Reaves and Wayne Train Simmonds. Reaves has a way of irritating opponents and getting under their skin. Simmonds would fight but he was nothing like Reaves in terms of being an agitating pest. Reaves is also a much better fighter than Simmonds.
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Reaves being in the lineup is irrelevant when no one is willing to fight him. Stamkos fighting Matthews means nothing. Reaves isn't on a line with Auston. He isn't out there the whole game as a deterrent. Is Stamkos going to fight Reaves? No he's going to skate away and let Reaves take a roughing penalty. So what's the point. I already made that point with the Marchand incident.

Enforcers are basically just there to fight other teams enforcers. You are right about team toughness though. If you have Benoit, Schenn, Perry and other guys like that on each line that are willing to engage, then they can scrap the guys that are out there taking runs.

Reaves has been in the lineup for over half the games this year and has what, 3 fights? He's not providing anything if no one is willing to fight him. If he's in the lineup against Florida in the playoffs last year, that's not stopping all 4 of their lines from running us over. Guess what? Bennett isn't going to fight him either.

Simmonds isn't Reaves weight class but he is one of the most skilled fighters with a long reach that no body ever wanted to fight in post whistle scrums. Didn't stop Tampa from taking runs. Same with Clifford. Means nothing when you only have one tough guy against a team like Florida and Tampa that have toughness throughout their lineup
 
Menzinger said:
Unfortunately there seems to be a bit of a bitter legacy between Flames ownership and Tre. remember they formally forbid him to join the Leafs at the last draft until after the first round
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That was so silly, as if Treliving couldn't affect the draft plan or trades because he wasn't at the table for the first 20 picks.

In any event you're right. I think whatever bitter legacy has affected their ability to have gotten tanev and zadorov. However, it did sound close and we just were quibbling over retention costs. So if we are willing to eat 100% of a players salary, we know that adds a slight advantage
 
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acrobaticgoalie said:
Reaves being in the lineup is irrelevant when no one is willing to fight him. Stamkos fighting Matthews means nothing. Reaves isn't on a line with Auston. He isn't out there the whole game as a deterrent. Is Stamkos going to fight Reaves? No he's going to skate away and let Reaves take a roughing penalty. So what's the point. I already made that point with the Marchand incident.

Enforcers are basically just there to fight other teams enforcers. You are right about team toughness though. If you have Benoit, Schenn, Perry and other guys like that on each line that are willing to engage, then they can scrap the guys that are out there taking runs.

Reaves has been in the lineup for over half the games this year and has what, 3 fights? He's not providing anything if no one is willing to fight him. If he's in the lineup against Florida in the playoffs last year, that's not stopping all 4 of their lines from running us over. Guess what? Bennett isn't going to fight him either.

Simmonds isn't Reaves weight class but he is one of the most skilled fighters with a long reach that no body ever wanted to fight in post whistle scrums. Didn't stop Tampa from taking runs. Same with Clifford. Means nothing when you only have one tough guy against a team like Florida and Tampa that have toughness throughout their lineup
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It's not all about fighting. This is what we need from Reaves in the playoffs.

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Shooter2x said:
This is why the Klingberg hate pisses me off so much.

Yes, it was a massive fail. Nobody denies it. But at least there's the justification of how depleted we were on skill from the backend.

There was also a fail-safe in the 1 year deal, not to mention we are snug in the playoffs. We would remain contenders whether Klingberg hits or misses for us.

The pens were irresponsible in their homerun swing for Karlsson and are facing the consequences now.
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You know how the league is piss at Vegas for LTIR Stone and Eichel. Imagine Kling comes back in the playoffs and just crush the playoffs and win Conn Smythe. Then people will say Leafs cheated bc they LTIR Kling
 
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All Mod Cons said:
Brad has passed the first test by getting this team to the playoffs.

Question is - Can he pass all the tests like Kyle Dubas did?
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McMann and Robertson are better than all his acquisitions combined though 🙂

Benoit has been very good though don’t get me wrong, but still…

This team is as good as they are despite Treliving rather than because of him.
 
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authentic said:
McMann and Robertson are better than all his acquisitions combined though 🙂

Benoit has been very good though don’t get me wrong, but still…

This team is as good as they are despite of Treliving rather than because of him.
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To be fair he didn't know what was in the system when he got here.
 
ACC1224 said:
Dubas was the former GM. You really don't know why he's relevant in a discussion about the new GM?
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Dubas and his failings here are clearly relevant to the current state of the franchise. But he is used as a complete crutch by some to deflect any criticism of the current GM.

Treliving deserves to be judged on his own merit good and bad. But it’s remains almost impossible to this point.
 
Hellcat said:
Bert? Jesus no! The guy has been a paper weight all year. To put into context how crappy he's been he makes 1.4 mill less than Nylander. Bert 7 goals , Willie 31 goals. Bert was brought in to score, he cant pass, he cant skate, he cant back check, he cant carry the puck for extended durations, he's not good at 50/50 plays. He's not a shooter, he's not a passer, he's not a PKer , he's not a good player.

Kampft is with in catching distance, the guy who is deployed to be a shut down defender is 2 goals behind Bert.

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Finally someone said it. Bert is hot garbage, Matthews had to practically bounce one off him for him to get his first goal in 20. He is likely a big reason Tavares scoring has been way down all year. Plays die on Bert's stick so Nylander is doing it all himself on that line.
 
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authentic said:
McMann and Robertson are better than all his acquisitions combined though 🙂

Benoit has been very good though don’t get me wrong, but still…

This team is as good as they are despite Treliving rather than because of him.
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True but you can also say Tre didn’t over think and want to make an impact and tell the World he is the new boss by making lateral moves. Rather Tre wanted to see what he has before making moves.
 
authentic said:
McMann and Robertson are better than all his acquisitions combined though 🙂

Benoit has been very good though don’t get me wrong, but still…

This team is as good as they are despite Treliving rather than because of him.
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No they are not. And the fact that you said McMann and Robertson are better than Domi and Benoit is exactly what plagued this organization for many years.

There is no point explaining why Benoit and Domi are more impacted than McMann and Robertson, so I won't. But I am hoping that this kind of fandom follows Dubas elsewhere.
 
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All Mod Cons said:
No they are not. And the fact that you said McMann and Robertson are better than Domi and Benoit is exactly what plagued this organization for many years.

There is no point explaining why Benoit and Domi are more impacted than McMann and Robertson, so I won't. But I am hoping that this kind of fandom follows Dubas elsewhere.
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Interesting take given McMann has more goals in 5 games than Bertuzzi has all season
 
cyris said:
Dubas and his failings here are clearly relevant to the current state of the franchise. But he is used as a complete crutch by some to deflect any criticism of the current GM.

Treliving deserves to be judged on his own merit good and bad. But it’s remains almost impossible to this point.
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Kind of like how Lou took heat when Dubas was here.
 
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acrobaticgoalie said:
Reaves being in the lineup is irrelevant when no one is willing to fight him. Stamkos fighting Matthews means nothing. Reaves isn't on a line with Auston. He isn't out there the whole game as a deterrent. Is Stamkos going to fight Reaves? No he's going to skate away and let Reaves take a roughing penalty. So what's the point. I already made that point with the Marchand incident.
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As we saw against Anaheim, Reaves doesn’t have to fight to impact the game.

When the opponent’s toughest player gets punched in the face on three separate occasions and does absolutely nothing but take it every time, it’s deflating for the entire team. Meanwhile, your team is uplifted and emboldened by seeing it.

You don’t seem to comprehend this dynamic, and I’m sorry you don’t understand.
 
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Reaves is like Nukes that Countries got. Just having it in itself is a threat.
Same with just having Reaves in the lineup is a threat. I would rather have Reaves, Benoit and Domi going into the playoffs esp if it is against the Rangers or Panthers than Kerfoot, ZAR and Holl.
 
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Donnie740 said:
So who’s done a better job as GM this year - - Treliving with the Leafs or Dumbass with Pittsburgh?

Obviously Treliving, and by a very large margin.
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I would say this.

Brad had a much better team going into the season.

I like what he is done, but so far Tor is about in the same spot as last year, while Pit is also.

If this is how the Leafs play heading into the playoffs, then BT wins in running away
 
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Martin Skoula said:
Luckily you can watch us play short handed every time Reaves is on the ice
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Reaves has been a very strong 4th liner for the last 10ish games he's been dressed. He started the season poorly but the current version of Reaves is one of the elements the Leafs have been sorely missing the past few seasons.
 
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Jojalu said:
I would say this.

Brad had a much better team going into the season.

I like what he is done, but so far Tor is about in the same spot as last year, while Pit is also.

If this is how the Leafs play heading into the playoffs, then BT wins in running away
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We’re talking about what the GM has done - - not what team started with the most talent.

Nothing Treliving has done comes close to being as disastrous as the ridiculous Karlsson trade that Dumbass made.
 
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authentic said:
McMann and Robertson are better than all his acquisitions combined though 🙂

Benoit has been very good though don’t get me wrong, but still…

This team is as good as they are despite Treliving rather than because of him.
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I've enjoyed Mcmann's run and I hope it continues but surely you don't believe this, It's just not true.

In order to believe it was true you'd have to believe EVERYTHING, literally EVERYTHING is about goals, thing is It's not
 
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