Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Jojalu]

We’re talking about what the GM has done - - not what team started with the most talent.

Nothing Treliving has done comes close to being as disastrous as the ridiculous Karlsson trade that Dumbass made.

My point.

The Karlsson trade isn't the disaster you think it is.

 

[Hellcat]

He's played pretty well despite his lack of production. Wins a ton of puck battles, good net-front presence, chippy after whistles, blocks shots, etc. His value will show in the playoffs.

Everything you just said in your post is demonstrably false, use the eye test, use stats, which ever metric you want to use, Bert has been performing at a 4th line level, although he's played for extended periods on the 1st and 2nd line. If you want a play to die on the vine, give the puck to anyone of our LWer's, Bert is the biggest play killer out of all of them.

 

[Hellcat]

Unfortunately there seems to be a bit of a bitter legacy between Flames ownership and Tre. remember they formally forbid him to join the Leafs at the last draft until after the first round

It benefits the Leafs if the Leafs competition "thinks" Tre has an inside track on trades with Calgary. The former ownership can hate Tre to high heaven as long as the Boston's, Florida's, Tampa Bay's think Tre is buddy buddy with Conroy and is likely to get a deal... that way Conroy can leverage lies and deception to max out the price for Tanev, Markstrom and Hanafin. The more those team's pay for trades, the weaker their farm system becomes, benefitting the Leafs in the long run. If I'm Tre I'm telling every GM outside my direct competition that I'm really close to trading for Hanafin and Tanev, eventually through the grapevine that gets back to the other Eastern GM's and makes them panic that I'm improving my team and maybe they outbid the rumor and then I'm left to bid on other players they are not focused on. TDL is a little bit about deception, a little bit about good scouting, a little bit about correct self assessment and a little bit about luck.

My point.

The Karlsson trade isn't the disaster you think it is.

Karlsson has been pretty bad this year.. he looks more like Aki Berg than a Norris defencman... he certainly has not performed to the level that we expect out of him.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

My point.

The Karlsson trade isn't the disaster you think it is.

You sure about that? If the Pens finish bottom 10 they will have a choice give up a top 10 pick now, a pick they desperately need because they are the oldest team in the league with arguably the worst farm system in the league.

OR they can give up next years pick which is probably going to be top 10, a pick they desperately need because they are the oldest team in the league with arguably the worst farm system in the league.

and if the pick is outside the top 10, SJ automatically gets it, a pick Pittsburgh desperately need because they are the oldest team in the league with arguably the worst farm system in the league.

All 3 options suck.

 

[Donnie740]

Karlsson has been pretty bad this year.. he looks more like Aki Berg than a Norris defencman... he certainly has not performed to the level that we expect out of him.

That $11.5M cap hit for Karlsson is brutal. And there’s still another three years remaining.

This is much worse than the Tavares mistake - - Kyle Dumbass with an encore in stupidity.

 

[thusk]

My point.

The Karlsson trade isn't the disaster you think it is.

karlsson is a poison in a locker room or in a team system

 

[arso40]

My point.

The Karlsson trade isn't the disaster you think it is

but it is thats exactly what he did here with the jt signing he thinks its a video game trying to stacc teams with similar players hes not a good gm and a worst president im glad he left and went to pittsburgh imagine if shani gave him the keys and free reign he almost traded knies for christ sakes for fleury like wth

That $11.5M cap hit for Karlsson is brutal. And there’s still another three years remaining.

This is much worse than the Tavares mistake - - Kyle Dumbass with an encore in stupidity.

exactly

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

but it is thats exactly what he did here with the jt trade he thinks its a video game trying to stacc teams with similar players hes not a good gm and a worst president im glad he left and went to pittsburgh imagine if shani gave him the keys and free reign he almost traded knies for christ sakes for fleury like wth


exactly

OK let's at least be accurate there were other pieces to that trade than Knies for MAF.

It was Mrazek 2 1sts and Knies for MAF and Hagel.

You could argue the right call was made regardless and I think in the end you are probably right.

But no it wasn't Knies for Fleur Hagel was in it too and he's turned into a damn good player.

If you want to shit on Dubas you can do it all day there is a list a mile long you do not need to lie.

 

[arso40]

OK let's at least be accurate there were other pieces to that trade than Knies for MAF.

It was Mrazek 2 1sts and Knies for MAF and Hagel.

You could argue the right call was made regardless and I think in the end you are probably right.

But no it wasn't Knies for Fleur Hagel was in it too and he's turned into a damn good player.

If you want to shit on Dubas you can do it all day there is a list a mile long you do not need to lie.

your right i didnt give full detail of the trade but do you think your full disclosure of the trade makes it a better one? i wouldnt trade hagel for knies alone imagine attaching 2 first with mrazek to include fleury thats insane. Sidebar, hagel and jeannot moves by the lightning were stupid trades.

 

[Apex Predator]

You sure about that? If the Pens finish bottom 10 they will have a choice give up a top 10 pick now, a pick they desperately need because they are the oldest team in the league with arguably the worst farm system in the league.

OR they can give up next years pick which is probably going to be top 10, a pick they desperately need because they are the oldest team in the league with arguably the worst farm system in the league.

and if the pick is outside the top 10, SJ automatically gets it, a pick Pittsburgh desperately need because they are the oldest team in the league with arguably the worst farm system in the league.

All 3 options suck.

It is very close in the standings that pens could potentially end with the 11th or 12th overall pick. Give that up unprotected and the finish bottom 10 next year.

 

[Apex Predator]

That $11.5M cap hit for Karlsson is brutal. And there’s still another three years remaining.

This is much worse than the Tavares mistake - - Kyle Dumbass with an encore in stupidity.

There was so much smoke about karlson to the leafs. He wasn’t happy about trades being blocked as per this article from James mirtle. It’s been pretty obvious since he left Dubas had been leaking stuff to mirtle. This makes me think Shanny blocked a karlson trade to the leafs.

Mirtle: With Kyle Dubas gone, prepare for more Maple Leafs front-office fallout

The Maple Leafs' parting ways with Kyle Dubas is likely the beginning of front-office upheaval with the team.

theathletic.com

 

[Sypher04]

Dubas had his warts but there has never been any credible reporting that he was willing to trade Knies.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

your right i didnt give full detail of the trade but do you think your full disclosure of the trade makes it a better one? i wouldnt trade hagel for knies alone imagine attaching 2 first with mrazek to include fleury thats insane. Sidebar, hagel and jeannot moves by the lightning were stupid trades.

Yes it does make it a better trade just by virtue of it not being Knies for Fleury.

The right call was probably made but the actual trade is in fact a better trade than what you posted.

Dubas had his warts but there has never been any credible reporting that he was willing to trade Knies.

Except that Chicago leaked the trade.

 

[Sypher04]

Yes it does make it a better trade just by virtue of it not being Knies for Fleury.

The right call was probably made but the actual trade is in fact a better trade than what you posted.



Except that Chicago leaked the trade.

They leaked that a trade involving Knies was discussed but that provides no context of seriousness - nor does it prove that we were willing to move him. For all we know the extent of that was they asked for Knies in a counter offer and we told them no, and that was that. Which would only strengthen the rationale for why Dubas was so mad about it

 

[Jojalu]

I am not sure I have heard anyone say that before.

If that is the case, you would never want to trade for someone like that

 

[Mess]

Dubas had his warts but there has never been any credible reporting that he was willing to trade Knies.

Brendan Shanahan Blocked a Trade That Could Have Changed the Maple Leafs Forever​

As the dust settles from the Kyle Dubas fallout, more details have emerged regarding the relationship between Dubas and Shanahan. It turns out, Shanahan prevented Dubas from making a massive trade that would've greatly impacted the Leafs.

Dubas Almost Acquired Hagel and Fleury

Back during last year's trade deadline, every general manager was scrambling to find ways to make their team better. In Kyle Dubas' eyes, that was going to be making a massive splash by acquiring Brandon Hagel and Marc-Andre Fleury.

The trade never came to be, with Hagel getting traded to Tampa Bay and Fleury to Minnesota. But it turns out, Shanahan may be the blame for this massive deal never coming to fruition.

If true, this could be an indicator of Shanahan's trust level in Dubas. Vetoing trades at the deadline which would clearly make your team better is a big deal and means that Shanahan probably didn't like the risk involved.

The Knies Factor​

Another factor in this massive deal was the inclusion of Matthew Knies, who has since signed with Toronto and already made an impact. The Leafs coveted Knies as their top prospect and were clearly hesitant about his inclusion in this deal.

Whether or not the Leafs would've been better off today had they made this trade is up for speculation, but one thing is certain. It gives us a much better look into the relationship Shanahan and Dubas had.

 

[ToneDog]

Brendan Shanahan Blocked a Trade That Could Have Changed the Maple Leafs Forever​

As the dust settles from the Kyle Dubas fallout, more details have emerged regarding the relationship between Dubas and Shanahan. It turns out, Shanahan prevented Dubas from making a massive trade that would've greatly impacted the Leafs.

Dubas Almost Acquired Hagel and Fleury

Back during last year's trade deadline, every general manager was scrambling to find ways to make their team better. In Kyle Dubas' eyes, that was going to be making a massive splash by acquiring Brandon Hagel and Marc-Andre Fleury.

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The trade never came to be, with Hagel getting traded to Tampa Bay and Fleury to Minnesota. But it turns out, Shanahan may be the blame for this massive deal never coming to fruition.

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If true, this could be an indicator of Shanahan's trust level in Dubas. Vetoing trades at the deadline which would clearly make your team better is a big deal and means that Shanahan probably didn't like the risk involved.

The Knies Factor​

Another factor in this massive deal was the inclusion of Matthew Knies, who has since signed with Toronto and already made an impact. The Leafs coveted Knies as their top prospect and were clearly hesitant about his inclusion in this deal.

Whether or not the Leafs would've been better off today had they made this trade is up for speculation, but one thing is certain. It gives us a much better look into the relationship Shanahan and Dubas had.

Is Knies worth what Tampa paid for Hagel?

• 2022-Mar-18 Traded from Chicago Blackhawks with round 4 pick in the 2022 draft (Kenny Connors) and round 4 pick in the 2024 draft to Tampa Bay Lightning for Taylor Raddysh, Boris Katchouk, conditional round 1 pick in the 2023 draft (Oliver Moore) and round 1 pick in the 2024 draft

It is all good that Shanny blocked the deal for Knies, but where was this guy when Dubas traded for Foligno and Murray? Rumour was Dubas' assistants were against the Murray trade and they still went ahead.

 

[Sypher04]

Nothing in that post proves the idea that Dubas was prepared to move Knies and was blocked. All it shows is that Dreger reported a deal was discussed and declined by Toronto.

What is the source for these excerpts Mess, it reads as more opinion piece than based in fact.

 

[Donnie740]

When Dumbass was informed by the Leafs that his services were no longer required in Toronto, the Fan Boi Brigade was apoplectic about how their hero was being being blocked from making more of his brilliant trades by Shanahan.

 

[Bomber0104]

Brendan Shanahan Blocked a Trade That Could Have Changed the Maple Leafs Forever​

As the dust settles from the Kyle Dubas fallout, more details have emerged regarding the relationship between Dubas and Shanahan. It turns out, Shanahan prevented Dubas from making a massive trade that would've greatly impacted the Leafs.

Dubas Almost Acquired Hagel and Fleury

Back during last year's trade deadline, every general manager was scrambling to find ways to make their team better. In Kyle Dubas' eyes, that was going to be making a massive splash by acquiring Brandon Hagel and Marc-Andre Fleury.

View attachment 824619

The trade never came to be, with Hagel getting traded to Tampa Bay and Fleury to Minnesota. But it turns out, Shanahan may be the blame for this massive deal never coming to fruition.

View attachment 824620

If true, this could be an indicator of Shanahan's trust level in Dubas. Vetoing trades at the deadline which would clearly make your team better is a big deal and means that Shanahan probably didn't like the risk involved.

The Knies Factor​

Another factor in this massive deal was the inclusion of Matthew Knies, who has since signed with Toronto and already made an impact. The Leafs coveted Knies as their top prospect and were clearly hesitant about his inclusion in this deal.

Whether or not the Leafs would've been better off today had they made this trade is up for speculation, but one thing is certain. It gives us a much better look into the relationship Shanahan and Dubas had.

Well known that Dubas was dangling Knies to Davidson. In fact, when details of the trade were leaked Dubas went into one of his signature whiny tirades to the press.

Leafs' Kyle Dubas not happy with Blackhawks about leaked Marc-Andre Fleury talks

 

[al secord]

Apparently people DO believe everything they read.

 

[Sypher04]

Well known that Dubas was dangling Knies to Davidson. In fact, when details of the trade were leaked Dubas went into one of his signature whiny tirades to the press.

Leafs' Kyle Dubas not happy with Blackhawks about leaked Marc-Andre Fleury talks

Chicago wanting Knies in the deal, doesn’t equal us being willing to do it. By all accounts, and the fact no deal happened, we turned them down. Anything else people want to talk about is speculation and nothing more.

 

[myleafs]

Do you think goals are the be all and end all?

If I had to choose I would take Mcmann over Bert

 

[myleafs]

Reaves has been a very strong 4th liner for the last 10ish games he's been dressed. He started the season poorly but the current version of Reaves is one of the elements the Leafs have been sorely missing the past few seasons.

I didnt think he had it in him but he has been much better lately. The one thing I would like to see more of from him is some big hits...Last game he had 3 chances that I counted where he could have really leveled someone...legally, but instead turned away instead. Add a little more fear into the opposition if he could be consistent in that aspect which I see no reason he couldnt be.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Luckily you can watch us play short handed every time Reaves is on the ice

Reaves is not on the PK. He is a good player though.