Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Jojalu]

we have our

1st
Knies
Cowan

as quality assets to move

after that it's empty , so tell us who you want Tre to acquire that is worth totally wiping out pretty much all our potential higher end futures

Unless he starts moving 26/27 picks, which maybe he will.

It feels like the Leafs are all in now for the next 4 years. I don't see how they won't go for it every year for as long as Matthews is here.

Unless he has a shrewd move up his sleeve where he can convince Marner to waive, and looks to acquire futures and picks they will have to use UFA's to fill holes.

They have to figure it out and win in the next 4+ years. The rebuild with so little in the cupboard is going to be long. A SC win will go a long way easing that process

 

[Evilhomer]

Unless he starts moving 26/27 picks, which maybe he will.

It feels like the Leafs are all in now for the next 4 years. I don't see how they won't go for it every year for as long as Matthews is here.

Unless he has a shrewd move up his sleeve where he can convince Marner to waive, and looks to acquire futures and picks they will have to use UFA's to fill holes.

They have to figure it out and win in the next 4+ years. The rebuild with so little in the cupboard is going to be long. A SC win will go a long way easing that process

But I think this is the attitude a team has to have. Win while your window is open, and worry about the inevitable rebuild later.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Unless he starts moving 26/27 picks, which maybe he will.

It feels like the Leafs are all in now for the next 4 years. I don't see how they won't go for it every year for as long as Matthews is here.

Unless he has a shrewd move up his sleeve where he can convince Marner to waive, and looks to acquire futures and picks they will have to use UFA's to fill holes.

They have to figure it out and win in the next 4+ years. The rebuild with so little in the cupboard is going to be long. A SC win will go a long way easing that process

Said it before and will say it again, trading a 90+ point winger for what is essentially magic beans would be profoundly stupid.

And please don't come at me with "magic beans and 11 million in cap space." or some version of that.

Because that is the same logic that Sens fans use when they try to justify taking Stutzle and 5 million in cap space over Matthews and that's just ridiculous so let's not do that with Marner.

A 90+ point winger is always better than magic beans.

Literally ALWAYS

 

[Jojalu]

Said it before and will say it again, trading a 90+ point winger for what is essentially magic beans would be profoundly stupid.

And please don't come at me with "magic beans and 11 million in cap space." or some version of that.

Because that is the same logic that Sens fans use when they try to justify taking Stutzle and 5 million in cap space over Matthews and that's just ridiculous so let's not do that with Marner.

A 90+ point winger is always better than magic beans.

Literally ALWAYS

I don't disagree.

Impossible to win a Marner trade.

But they just signed Willy and Matthews. If they bomb out of the playoffs in the first round again, what other option do you have besides wait for JT to come off the books?

They could move Marner in a "hockey trade" and get back a top 4 dman but I highly doubt they will

 

[darrylsittler27]

You know we have no pieces for a big splash right? We did that last year. Now the cupboards are bare. He will likely pick up a depth dman and be done.

I don't know about a big splash but he's not done he can't be.

 

[ToneDog]

I don't disagree.

Impossible to win a Marner trade.

But they just signed Willy and Matthews. If they bomb out of the playoffs in the first round again, what other option do you have besides wait for JT to come off the books?

They could move Marner in a "hockey trade" and get back a top 4 dman but I highly doubt they will

Doesn't that tell you they probably never will win, in which case why keep running it back if the goal is to win the SC? Raps and Jays won after their GMs realized they were not winning with their core and made great trades.

 

[DarkKnight]

You know we have no pieces for a big splash right? We did that last year. Now the cupboards are bare. He will likely pick up a depth dman and be done.

Every analyst in the league agrees, why do we act like we're sitting pretty here? Dubas shot his load, there is nothing left, apart from a couple prospects. Treliving doesn't have much to work with, especially compared to teams we're competing against for players, like hello.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don't disagree.

Impossible to win a Marner trade.

But they just signed Willy and Matthews. If they bomb out of the playoffs in the first round again, what other option do you have besides wait for JT to come off the books?

They could move Marner in a "hockey trade" and get back a top 4 dman but I highly doubt they will

I don't think that happens, and I don't think it needs to because even with Matthews and Nylander signed they have somewhere between 20-25 million in cap space this summer and I don't know exactly what the number is, I don't have that in front of me but it's somewhere in that area.

So he's going to have the room to reshape the roster if he wants to and you don't need to trade Marner to do it.

He's got the room to sign Pesce, or Tanev, or Forsling, or Montour, or trade for somebody like Fowler, or Larsson or whatever he chooses to do, he's going to have the room to do it even with Matthews and Nylander signed.

 

[Jojalu]

Doesn't that tell you they probably never will win, in which case why keep running it back if the goal is to win the SC? Raps and Jays won after their GMs realized they were not winning with their core and made great trades.

It sure makes me nervous.

At some point, even if it means losing the best player in a trade, they are going to have to make some tough decisions. Hopefully!

Or just do the unthinkable and win the Cup this year. 12.5 million for everyone!

Florida looks very good again. Even so, I am not sure losing to them in the second round is good enough. Even if it goes seven.

 

[Jojalu]

I don't think that happens, and I don't think it needs to because even with Matthews and Nylander signed they have somewhere between 20-25 million in cap space this summer and I don't know exactly what the number is, I don't have that in front of me but it's somewhere in that area.

So he's going to have the room to reshape the roster if he wants to and you don't need to trade Marner to do it.

He's got the room to sign Pesce, or Tanev, or Forsling, or Montour, or trade for somebody like Fowler, or Larsson or whatever he chooses to do, he's going to have the room to do it even with Matthews and Nylander signed.

I am hoping they sign one of those 4. Preferably 2 of them.

What becomes of the holes from losing Bertuzzi and Domi? I am not sure Minten and Cowan will be ready to fill them yet.

Back to the bargain bin? Hopefully McMann stays. Holmberg looks promising.

 

[ToneDog]

It sure makes me nervous.

At some point, even if it means losing the best player in a trade, they are going to have to make some tough decisions. Hopefully!

Or just do the unthinkable and win the Cup this year. 12.5 million for everyone!

Florida looks very good again. Even so, I am not sure losing to them in the second round is good enough. Even if it goes seven.

It would show some progress and get the fans excited because they pretty much mailed in round #2 last year and the series was all but over after the first two home losses.

I am hoping they sign one of those 4. Preferably 2 of them.

What becomes of the holes from losing Bertuzzi and Domi? I am not sure Minten and Cowan will be ready to fill them yet.

Back to the bargain bin? Hopefully McMann stays. Holmberg looks promising.

If the money is right, I'd bring them both back. At some point somebody needs to realize that you can't keep turning over the roster every summer around the core.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Every analyst in the league agrees, why do we act like we're sitting pretty here? Dubas shot his load, there is nothing left, apart from a couple prospects. Treliving doesn't have much to work with, especially compared to teams we're competing against for players, like hello.

Do they have less to work with than Boston, Tampa and Florida supposedly the top 3 teams in on Hanifin?

Now I don't want Hanifin because I know he won't sign here.

But if 3 teams that don't have 1st round picks for multiple years in a row can somehow be in Hanifin, then that meansthe Leafs if they wanted to could go get Hanifin, if that's true and it is because they have more than Boston, Florida or Tampa then by extension you have to conclude they could go get anybody currently available because Hanifin is likely the top guy unless somebody like Rasmus Andersson is available and we don't know about it.

I am hoping they sign one of those 4. Preferably 2 of them.

What becomes of the holes from losing Bertuzzi and Domi? I am not sure Minten and Cowan will be ready to fill them yet.

Back to the bargain bin? Hopefully McMann stays. Holmberg looks promising.

Hopefully one of them stay, I like both but I'd lean towards Domi.

 

[ToneDog]

Do they have less to work with than Boston, Tampa and Florida supposedly the top 3 teams in on Hanifin?

Now I don't want Hanifin because I know he won't sign here.

But if 3 teams that don't have 1st round picks for multiple years in a row can somehow be in Hanifin, then that meansthe Leafs if they wanted to could go get Hanifin, if that's true and it is because they have more than Boston, Florida or Tampa then by extension you have to conclude they could go get anybody currently available because Hanifin is likely the top guy unless somebody like Rasmus Andersson is available and we don't know about it.

My guess is unless Tre overpays, Calgary would rather move Hanafin to any other team. I also can't see Dubas doing anything to help Shanny and the Leafs.

 

[leafs in five]

Every analyst in the league agrees, why do we act like we're sitting pretty here? Dubas shot his load, there is nothing left, apart from a couple prospects. Treliving doesn't have much to work with, especially compared to teams we're competing against for players, like hello.

Boston doesn't have a 1st or 2nd or 3rd round pick in 24. Tampa only has 3rd/5th and a bunch of 7th rounders. these are among the teams were are competing against for players right?

 

[DarkKnight]

Boston doesn't have a 1st or 2nd or 3rd round pick in 24. Tampa only has 3rd/5th and a bunch of 7th rounders. these are among the teams were are competing against for players right?

Yes just those two, look at the deals already. We're sitting pretty you're right.

Do they have less to work with than Boston, Tampa and Florida supposedly the top 3 teams in on Hanifin?

Now I don't want Hanifin because I know he won't sign here.

But if 3 teams that don't have 1st round picks for multiple years in a row can somehow be in Hanifin, then that meansthe Leafs if they wanted to could go get Hanifin, if that's true and it is because they have more than Boston, Florida or Tampa then by extension you have to conclude they could go get anybody currently available because Hanifin is likely the top guy unless somebody like Rasmus Andersson is available and we don't know about it.



Hopefully one of them stay, I like both but I'd lean towards Domi.

So your example is a guy we can't get anyway?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Yes just those two, look at the deals already. We're sitting pretty you're right.


So your example is a guy we can't get anyway?

My point is the top 3 currently bidding on the top guy on the market don't have 1st round picks for multiple years in a row, yet they are somehow in on him.

Yeti the Leafs who could sweep in and acquire him right now if they wanted to and they are the ones with no assets?

Should they do it? No because he'd be a pure rental but they easily could.

So if they could easily put together a better package than Boston, Florida or Tampa then how are they the ones with no assets?

 

[DarkKnight]

My point is the top 3 currently bidding on the top guy on the market don't have 1st round picks for multiple years in a row, yet they are somehow in on him.

Yeti the Leafs who could sweep in and acquire him right now if they wanted to and they are the ones with no assets?

Should they do it? No because he'd be a pure rental but they easily could.

So if they could easily put together a better package than Boston, Florida or Tampa then how are they the ones with no assets?

Why does everyone around the league say we're handicapped then? I guess they're all idiots. Tre has a tough job here, to me that's a given. Sure he can do something, but it isn't easy.

 

[leafs in five]

Yes just those two, look at the deals already. We're sitting pretty you're right.

has another eastern conference playoff team made a move yet?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

My guess is unless Tre overpays, Calgary would rather move Hanafin to any other team. I also can't see Dubas doing anything to help Shanny and the Leafs.

Kyle Dubas? You mean the guy that traded Mrazek to Chicago about 4 months after that same Chicago GM leaked a blockbuster trade to the media?

Yeah I don't think Dubas holds grudges I don't think it would be a problem

 

[ToneDog]

Kyle Dubas? You mean the guy that traded Mrazek to Chicago about 4 months after that same Chicago GM leaked a blockbuster trade to the media?

Yeah I don't think Dubas holds grudges I don't think it would be a problem

Kyle Davidson did not fire him. After the crap he pulled last May and missing the playoffs with his new team, I am not so sure. I just hope this year has not been hard on his family. LOL.

 

[leafs in five]

Why does everyone around the league say we're handicapped then? I guess they're all idiots.

lots of people are idiots yeah and most good teams are short on good prospects and picks

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Why does everyone around the league say we're handicapped then? I guess they're all idiots. Tre has a tough job here, to me that's a given. Sure he can do something, but it isn't easy.

I don't know it doesn't make sense, how can easily put together a better package for Hanifin than any of the top 3 currently bidding on him, while at the same time having no assets?

How can both those things be true? I don't think they can

Like I said I don't want Hanifin because I know he won't sign here but if they wanted to beat Tampa, Florida or Boston offer they could.

 

[hotpaws]

Unless he starts moving 26/27 picks, which maybe he will.

It feels like the Leafs are all in now for the next 4 years. I don't see how they won't go for it every year for as long as Matthews is here.

Unless he has a shrewd move up his sleeve where he can convince Marner to waive, and looks to acquire futures and picks they will have to use UFA's to fill holes.

They have to figure it out and win in the next 4+ years. The rebuild with so little in the cupboard is going to be long. A SC win will go a long way easing that process

this is all well and good but there's literally nothing of higher value left if we move Knies/Cowan/1st by this t/d and no 1st until 26 as well as no 2nd until 27 to try to reload a little

Dubas f***ed us for years by trading futures for rentals and there's no way to keep going for it without anything to trade to go for it

 

[darrylsittler27]

Every analyst in the league agrees, why do we act like we're sitting pretty here? Dubas shot his load, there is nothing left, apart from a couple prospects. Treliving doesn't have much to work with, especially compared to teams we're competing against for players, like hello.

Right. Total lack of foresight. We could make a big splash, get an NMC to waive. We have Cowan ( what luck) and Minten who is a 3c. Leaf fans have no idea what cupboards are bare means. You asked for bare cupboards. This is pretty much it. Every other team outbids you .They wanted one round at all costs You got it. One round, no cup this year.. period.

 

[tuckerintensity]

Do you ever post anything that isn’t whining? Serious question.

This deal makes a lot of sense. Lybushkin didn’t cost much, is right handed, big, physical, will clear the net front and lend a hand to the PK. Familiar to the coaching staff and fit in well his first stint here. People understand the conversion rate of a 3rd round pick becoming an NHLer is like 1 in 10 right? This team is in their prime window to contend now. Lybushkin doesn’t move the needle on the surface and other moves are still needed, but we need the depth and if he can help with the PK then it is draft capital well spent as our PK is gonna be a MAJOR issue for us in the playoffs if we don’t figure it out

People will post their stupid ass charts saying how he’s terrible this year while ignoring the team factor that goes into his metrics. Yeah, I bet he has struggled there, as has the vast majority of the team. What we need from Lyubushkin isn’t the same as what Buffalo or Anaheim needed because we don’t suck. I could not be less interested in all the self proclaimed analytics gurus on Twitter and their models.

It's a pretty decent pick up. I do think some people will not want to admit that because it's not his first go around here (like OMG, if I like it now, that means I liked it then, too, and I can't like anything that guy did). I've really found the approach so far this year to be very similar to years past, really, and I don't hate that.