Apex Predator
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Wouldn’t change anything we would just hear about the new GM isn’t doing as good as Dubas. Dubas is here to stay. 30 years from now Dubas will still being brought up.
Brad Treliving is doing a great job.
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ITM
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More importantly: How?
What type of timeframe do you think is reasonable to fix the problem Treliving inherited?
Is it a month and a half of off-season?
Is it the above plus 40 games?
Is it both the above plus a full season and a full off-season?
Most importantly: Does the scope of the problem matter or irrespective of available assets, is the expectation fix it in spite of necessary assets and circumstances?
Treliving effectively cut this teams defensive ability in half in one offseason, an offseason in which he had almost 20 million in cap space to work with. If you can’t see the difference between this team and the ones Dubas put together then I don’t know what to tell you.
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“The problem Treliving inherited”
Surely you can’t be serious, we’re a noticeably worse team than we were at any point during Dubas’ tenure.
ITM
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$20 million: Roger that.
Now confirm for the thread all the options you know to a certitude Treliving had that were better than those he acted on.
Your above comment is a description, but I think your claim deserves an explanation.
So…You’re claiming Treliving inherited a situation that didn’t require multiple solutions?
Gilmour1996
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Bottom line is probably still fine so MLSE happy even if Carlton the Bear was GM and Zamboni driver the coach.
Guided by Veseys
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Noticeably worse? You are insane.
Comparing last year to start the season versus this season:
Bertuzzi vs Bunting. Sorry but Bert is better.
Domi vs Kerfoot. Most would prefer Domi.
Defence is the same minus Holl and Sandin. Holl is garbage and Sandin isn’t missed.
Woll is better than Murray.
Samsonov is Samsonov still.
Gregor over ZAR any day of the week.
I guess Malgin is better than Reaves but that is almost a wash sadly.
So no, you are incorrect: the team is not noticeably worse. It’s about the same as what we had to start the season last year.
Menzinger
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Tre would also be expected to spend that money wisely, and so far he probably has about a 50-50 success rate in free agency.
LaPlante94
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We cry about lack of depth scoring and how the D can't move the puck up the ice and then cry when we bring in people who help in those areas. I saw the teams Dubas put together. How did those teams do for us when the games mattered? Complain we keep going to OT and winning when last few years these are the kind of games we lost. So keep crying because the sad thing is I actually like Dubas but it's his little cult following that's the most annoying thing about him. These followers actually convinced themselves that guys like Kerfoot and Bunting are the best signings this team has ever made and it's sad. We can blame bad defence all we want when a majority of the games we've played we have gotten bad goaltending from Samsonov who has let in 1 or 2 bad goals every game he's played in, even Woll has but his play overall has been very good.
DarkKnight
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Why isn't anyone mentioning the Lagesson and Benoit cheap adds he made. If Dubas did that, this place would be littered with praise every day, every thread.
We'd be royally f***ed right now if he didn't add these depth D.
Good moves.
We'd be royally f***ed right now if he didn't add these depth D.
Good moves.
ULF_55
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Maybe the players don't like Treliving.
Or perhaps it is just injuries.
Muzzin would be nice now.
Or perhaps it is just injuries.
Muzzin would be nice now.
Because it doesn't fit the narrative.
Apex Predator
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There was a poster who included Benoit as a treliving miss earlier this year since he was in the minors.
Listing player by player comparison is worthless. On paper, the roster seems the same but statistically speaking this team is defensively worse by every metric.
Last year's team vs this year's team:
Shots on goal allowed: 7th best in the league vs 17th in the league this year
xGA - 9th in the league vs 19th
High Danger Chances Allowed - 17th in the league vs 23rd in the league
Shot attempts allowed - 14th vs 18th
PK - 12th vs 18th
Last year's team won by an average margin of 2.3 goals per game, this year's team wins by an average of 1.2 goals per game.
For a group of people who decry the use of statistics and relies on the eye test, I don't understand how you watch games from season to season and consistently misdagnose problems. The misdiganosing of the team's issues is what led to signings like John Klingberg and Ryan Reaves.
Racer88
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I would accept a Shanny firing if it meant we wouldn’t have to talk about all 3 of them
GoonieFace
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One main issue with this team was secondary scoring (especially in the playoffs, well scoring in the playoffs in general) which is why Domi, Bertuzzi and Klingberg were signed. But we all know the main problem, but that will never be fixed
We've had good depth D most years so maybe that is why... but yes, those are two very good adds and probably Treliving's best signings.
I don't know if either is on the playoff roster, but very good signings.
GoonieFace
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When you have so much cap tied up in the top
3 forwards, having a 3rd pairing that can play successfully at a total of $1.5 mil is crucial. Although I’m sure this wasn’t what Bundy envisioned when he signed them
Our third pairing is 5 million... Klingberg was signed and is our 6th D.
If it isn't the most expensive 3rd pairing in the league, it has to be close.
Lagesson/Benoit are 7th and 8th.
We need some warm bodies on D. Why the hell did Treliving not step up and beat the Canucks offer for a BIG D in Zadorov.
Zadorov wanted to be a Leaf and has also played with Marner and Domi back in junior.
Now watch Treliving overpay for another Klingberg type player.
Fans would turn on Zadorov in a second here. He doesn't clear the net like he should, he is prone to horrible giveaways and blown assignments and is no more than a 5/6.
For a 3rd and a 5th it might have been still worth it if BT was also a quiring someone to play Top 4.
If Tanev doesn't cost a first then he is a very good short term answer for this season. He would fit in perfectly with Rielly to play all the tough minutes and it allows Brodie to play in a better situation.
Then with the Klingberg/Tavev money off the books you can decide if Tanev is worth bringing back short term or if you want to go after Pesce or someone else in the offseason.
Or trade one of the 4 if you can to help out if it all goes up in flames again
BallardEra
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Will be tough to add the right pieces this season if Klingberg feels he can return at some point.
GoonieFace
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Are you just purposefully obtuse? Right now they are 5/6 which is why I said this wasn’t what Tre had in mind when he signed them. But this is what you need when the majority of the cap is given to 3 players.
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