Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[DarkKnight]

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It's so true too.

 

[A1LeafNation]

You gotta be some kinda stupid GM if you think a 33 yr old is the answer. He was the answer 5 years ago.

This GM signs 30 yr old players to long term deals that handcuffs his teams.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Me too. I know I have.

So you are undoubtedly aware that players of Reaves ilk have virtually zero impact in the playoffs. Why? Because he will see even less ice time than he does now and be given even less leash by simple virtue of the fact that he is not a competent hockey player. The playoffs is a game of inches where any mistake is magnified. When you get caved defensively and bring next to nothing offensively., you simply are going to be buried. If we were talking about a competent hockey player who can keep up and play a sum zero game, he could have an impact. That is not Reaves. If anyone feels like donating their money to me on the subject of what his playoff contribution will be, I am not against easy money.

 

[Leaf Fans]

So you are undoubtedly aware that players of Reaves ilk have virtually zero impact in the playoffs. Why? Because he will see even less ice time than he does now and be given even less leash by simple virtue of the fact that he is not a competent hockey player. The playoffs is a game of inches where any mistake is magnified. When you get caved defensively and bring next to nothing offensively., you simply are going to be buried. If we were talking about a competent hockey player who can keep up and play a sum zero game, he could have an impact. That is not Reaves. If anyone feels like donating their money to me on the subject of what his playoff contribution will be, I am not against easy money.

He has more than a 100 games of playoff experience. I don’t see him as an everyday player now or in the playoffs though. However, I supported the signing when it was made and I do now. He will pay dividends when the games tighten up.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Beniot and Lagesson solid pickups barely talked about at the time and have been huge stepping in.

Ya...but they are no Martin Marincin's are they...

I was almost certain BT was going to trade for Zadorov and at that price we could have easily matched it, maybe he has someone else in mind?

I think Pizza Guy is pretty sure Zadorov is going to want big bucks as a UFA and would prefer to spend draft capital on someone he can re-sign here and not just waste it on a pure rental. I like Zadorov but if he wants the reported $5M+ on his next deal...for a 3rd pairing guy...no thanks.

 

[arso40]

You gotta be some kinda stupid GM if you think a 33 yr old is the answer. He was the answer 5 years ago.

This GM signs 30 yr old players to long term deals that handcuffs his teams.

When we went for Brodie instead

 

[Hellcat]

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Poindexter asks ... "What would fighting 3 weeks later accomplish?"... only a guy who's never played the game would ask such an ignorant question... when did it become acceptable for people who dont know shit about a subject to have an opinion on said subject... #STFU

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Yeah I’m sure a 34 yo Tanev is the answer.

Treliving is no better than Dubas so far. No balls to address the elephant in the room, aka paying half our cap to a bunch of loser ass bitches when it counts, and trying to fill holes by giving up our future for over the hill assets.

He hasn’t traded those assets yet but we all know it’s coming. Hopefully it’s not a 1st for a bum like McCabe like Dumbas gave up

 

[BrannigansLaw]

It's so true too.

I’m surprised Dubas didn’t take him with him to Pitts like he did Spezza.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

He has more than a 100 games of playoff experience. I don’t see him as an everyday player now or in the playoffs though. However, I supported the signing when it was made and I do now. He will pay dividends when the games tighten up.

Uh huh

 

[William Johnson]

Like the vast majority of posters and pundits, I have mixed feelings about Treliving's first few months here on the job and the team's first quarter season. Time will tell. Let's see how they do in the playoffs -- if they make it. I don't see much difference in their ability to play the harder brand of hockey that I've always valued as a fan for decades. That said, I never really get too emotional or judgemental about a GM. GMs have a million bits of inside information I don't have so getting too judgemental is folly to me. I watch the games, when I can, and judge how I see the players play.

My first post a little while back focused on my ongoing confusion over how the previous GM managed to gain a small but vocal group of unconditional supporters who defended -- and continue to defend -- his every move. (To be fair, I'm easily confused). In my opinion, such dedication is really eye-opening given the near-complete lack of team success in the playoffs. Perhaps it was/is always about personality or attention-seeking.

So, I'm curious now as to whether anyone thinks that Treliving will eventually earn that kind of support for himself? I can't see it happening, but I'm not sure why. I think he seems more articulate and genuine but what do I know about what he's like behind closed doors? If they win in the second round, will that be enough? Is it cup or bust? If so, why hold him to a higher standard?

I also think it is harder to come up with a name for any future hardcore stormtroopers. 'Dubasite' kind of rolls off the tongue. 'Trelivingite' sounds like something obscure off the Periodic Table. We need something concise so Brad's Boosters etc. is too cumbersome, I think. Tree Huggers is already taken by environmental zealots.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

We need some warm bodies on D. Why the hell did Treliving not step up and beat the Canucks offer for a BIG D in Zadorov.

Zadorov wanted to be a Leaf and has also played with Marner and Domi back in junior.

Now watch Treliving overpay for another Klingberg type player.

I don't believe for ONE second that was the best offer. I believe Calgary took less so they didn't have to retain.

 

[LaPlante94]

Like the vast majority of posters and pundits, I have mixed feelings about Treliving's first few months here on the job and the team's first quarter season. Time will tell. Let's see how they do in the playoffs -- if they make it. I don't see much difference in their ability to play the harder brand of hockey that I've always valued as a fan for decades. That said, I never really get too emotional or judgemental about a GM. GMs have a million bits of inside information I don't have so getting too judgemental is folly to me. I watch the games, when I can, and judge how I see the players play.

My first post a little while back focused on my ongoing confusion over how the previous GM managed to gain a small but vocal group of unconditional supporters who defended -- and continue to defend -- his every move. (To be fair, I'm easily confused). In my opinion, such dedication is really eye-opening given the near-complete lack of team success in the playoffs. Perhaps it was/is always about personality or attention-seeking.

So, I'm curious now as to whether anyone thinks that Treliving will eventually earn that kind of support for himself? I can't see it happening, but I'm not sure why. I think he seems more articulate and genuine but what do I know about what he's like behind closed doors? If they win in the second round, will that be enough? Is it cup or bust? If so, why hold him to a higher standard?

I also think it is harder to come up with a name for any future hardcore stormtroopers. 'Dubasite' kind of rolls off the tongue. 'Trelivingite' sounds like something obscure off the Periodic Table. We need something concise so Brad's Boosters etc. is too cumbersome, I think. Tree Huggers is already taken by environmental zealots.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

The fact his supporters are this crazy to defend his every move and act like Kerfoot, Holl and all the other guys Dubas brought here are so much better than what we currently got when the best they got us was 5 playoff wins in 1 season. So no, I doubt they'll ever support Tre like that since he's not always gonna make that analytical move like Dubas tried and failed with. Jonas Siegal is the perfect example of the kind of supporters he has and I feel like that guy is on this forum since some posters worship Dubas like he does on TV.

 

[Dreakmur]

Knies, Robertson, and Woll were already here, signed, and had played for the NHL team.
Gregor and Reaves were 4th line players added to replace existing players by choice, not necessity, and we would have been better off without it.
So he basically just had to sign Bertuzzi, Domi, and Klingberg for the healthy roster, which again, is not a lot, and far from a "hand grenade".

The hand grenade was walking into a core that needed to be shaken up and not being allowed to do it.

 

[The Shrike]

The hand grenade was walking into a core that needed to be shaken up and not being allowed to do it.

Ironically, that's the same situation that Dubas walked into in Pittsburgh.

 

[Evilhomer]

Like the vast majority of posters and pundits, I have mixed feelings about Treliving's first few months here on the job and the team's first quarter season. Time will tell. Let's see how they do in the playoffs -- if they make it. I don't see much difference in their ability to play the harder brand of hockey that I've always valued as a fan for decades. That said, I never really get too emotional or judgemental about a GM. GMs have a million bits of inside information I don't have so getting too judgemental is folly to me. I watch the games, when I can, and judge how I see the players play.

My first post a little while back focused on my ongoing confusion over how the previous GM managed to gain a small but vocal group of unconditional supporters who defended -- and continue to defend -- his every move. (To be fair, I'm easily confused). In my opinion, such dedication is really eye-opening given the near-complete lack of team success in the playoffs. Perhaps it was/is always about personality or attention-seeking.

So, I'm curious now as to whether anyone thinks that Treliving will eventually earn that kind of support for himself? I can't see it happening, but I'm not sure why. I think he seems more articulate and genuine but what do I know about what he's like behind closed doors? If they win in the second round, will that be enough? Is it cup or bust? If so, why hold him to a higher standard?

I also think it is harder to come up with a name for any future hardcore stormtroopers. 'Dubasite' kind of rolls off the tongue. 'Trelivingite' sounds like something obscure off the Periodic Table. We need something concise so Brad's Boosters etc. is too cumbersome, I think. Tree Huggers is already taken by environmental zealots.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

I have never seen a fan (and make no mistake that many of the "journalists" in this city are really just fans under a different name) become so attached to a departed general manager. Attached to departed players, no doubt. Maybe even attached to a departed coach. But to be so attached to a general manager is a new one.

In any event, all of this moaning is irrelevant. The team's record this season is the same as it was last season at this time. They will have an advantage in the playoffs relative to prior years simply by virtue of the fact that the rest of the Eastern conference is pretty average.

 

[Dekes For Days]

1- the fact bunting was underpaid last season doesn't change the fact treliving would need to give hin 4,5M to keep him for this season.

Ok, but that doesn't change the facts of what happened to our expenditure for those spots. It increased 4m, and we didn't improve quality. I agree that Bunting was underpaid for us, but good GMs like Dubas are able to find replacements like that. That's how we got Bunting in the first place; as a replacement for a player departing that role. Seems that contract has gone quite unappreciated.

2- tell me what because seriously i watched every player who moved last summer conaidersting salary/ term and sorry i dont see anything that would help leafs.

Even just looking at defensemen alone, and signings alone with no trades or anything, there were 64 defensemen that signed a non-extension UFA contract last offseason. Klingberg was probably the single worst defenseman signing in the league last offseason, and you're telling me that there's absolutely no better options than what we did? We did the absolute perfect most ideal thing? Come on man. We literally had a better Klingberg already on the team who has gone on to be one of the best signings of the offseason in Gustafsson.

2nd best D off last off-season would not even be in top 5 next season

A future UFA list will always look better than a past UFA list, because the future UFA list hasn't yet been whittled down by re-signings yet. You can't sabotage the competitive present hoping for future options that may never come.

4- when rielly was on the ice, no leafs didn't struggle in transition but every time he was out... it was awful... and most of goal off the rush from florida, when did they come? a lot of time after a bad transition

That's a very inaccurate description of what happened in the Florida series and how the majority of their rush goals were scored. I recommend going back and rewatching them. And again, we spent a considerable amount of time in the offensive zone in the Florida series. We didn't struggle entering their zone or staying there. We primarily struggled getting it past Bobrovsky.

 

[Mess]

The hand grenade was walking into a core that needed to be shaken up and not being allowed to do it.

That changes when Tavares contract ends and BT can get out from under that $11 mil Cap suffocating contract.

We have already seen the restrain from overpaying Willy with a GM that understands contracts better,

 

[Dekes For Days]

The hand grenade was walking into a core that needed to be shaken up and not being allowed to do it.

Getting an excellent core is not a hand grenade just because you incorrectly think they should be traded. Whatever you think Treliving is or isn't allowed to do also has nothing to do with Dubas.

 

[William Johnson]

I have never seen a fan (and make no mistake that many of the "journalists" in this city are really just fans under a different name) become so attached to a departed general manager. Attached to departed players, no doubt. Maybe even attached to a departed coach. But to be so attached to a general manager is a new one.

In any event, all of this moaning is irrelevant. The team's record this season is the same as it was last season at this time. They will have an advantage in the playoffs relative to prior years simply by virtue of the fact that the rest of the Eastern conference is pretty average.

Thanks for the reply. The bewildering, ongoing attachment to the departed GM, and the subsequent persistent criticism of Treliving are, I suppose, pretty predictable.

The question is -- will Treliving ever enjoy such enthusiastic support? Like I said...I doubt it.

 

[thusk]

Ok, but that doesn't change the facts of what happened to our expenditure for those spots. It increased 4m, and we didn't improve quality. I agree that Bunting was underpaid for us, but good GMs like Dubas are able to find replacements like that. That's how we got Bunting in the first place; as a replacement for a player departing that role. Seems that contract has gone quite unappreciated.

Even just looking at defensemen alone, and signings alone with no trades or anything, there were 64 defensemen that signed a non-extension UFA contract last offseason. Klingberg was probably the single worst defenseman signing in the league last offseason, and you're telling me that there's absolutely no better options than what we did? We did the absolute perfect most ideal thing? Come on man. We literally had a better Klingberg already on the team who has gone on to be one of the best signings of the offseason in Gustafsson.

A future UFA list will always look better than a past UFA list, because the future UFA list hasn't yet been whittled down by re-signings yet. You can't sabotage the competitive present hoping for future options that may never come.

That's a very inaccurate description of what happened in the Florida series and how the majority of their rush goals were scored. I recommend going back and rewatching them. And again, we spent a considerable amount of time in the offensive zone in the Florida series. We didn't struggle entering their zone or staying there. We primarily struggled getting it past Bobrovsky.

1-bunting if it was so easy to find player underpaid like him, why did he didn't find more than 1 player like that in 5 year? for 1 bunting who was working, lindholm, rosen, ozhiganov, petan, malgin, ennis, shore, aberg, ritchie, lehtonen, barabanov, noesen, cie... who didn't work

2-you talked about klinberg but gustafsson is even worst defensivly than klinberg. klinberg when he played healthy had 3 assist in 3 game, since he get injured 2 asist in 11 game -5. we all know we didn't sign him for his defensive ability but still was good enough to help Dallas reaching a stanley cup final playing over 23 minute/game( something you will never have with gustafsson)

3- even his half of those d resign, still a better list than last off-season whobwas extremely weak...

4- in playoff it was not just against florida but we saw it even more vs tampa ( but still saw those issue vs florida)

 

[keonsbitterness]

We have already seen the restrain from overpaying Willy with a GM that understands contracts better,

Seeing restraint in a contract that doesn't exist is an interesting concept.

 

[Gallagbi]

Seeing restraint in a contract that doesn't exist is an interesting concept.

Leave it to @Mess to suggest the GM responsible for the worst contract in the league because he panicked is showing great restaint by letting our leading scorer enter the year as a pending UFA when his value seems to be rising.

1-bunting if it was so easy to find player underpaid like him, why did he didn't find more than 1 player like that in 5 year? for 1 bunting who was working, lindholm, rosen, ozhiganov, petan, malgin, ennis, shore, aberg, ritchie, lehtonen, barabanov, noesen, cie... who didn't work

From a value perspective Holl, Soupy, Samsonov, Kampf all seemed to be good value finds. Bunting is certainly the best, but im hoping Tre and our future GMs can find some value like those names. Maybe Benoit turns into bona-fide NHLer

 

[notbias]

2-you talked about klinberg but gustafsson is even worst defensivly than klinberg. klinberg when he played healthy had 3 assist in 3 game, since he get injured 2 asist in 11 game -5. we all know we didn't sign him for his defensive ability but still was good enough to help Dallas reaching a stanley cup final playing over 23 minute/game( something you will never have with gustafsson)

Is this true? I am pretty sure Klingberg is the worst D defensively.

This year Klingberg is 8th for xGA/60, Gustafsson is 211th.
Last year Klingberg was 2nd in xGA/60, Gustafsson was 145th.
The year before Klingberg was 72nd xGA/60, Gustafsson was 190th.

Gustafsson is not great defensively, but Klingberg is terrible.

 

[Dreakmur]

Getting an excellent core is not a hand grenade just because you incorrectly think they should be traded.

The core may have excellent talent, but it is flawed. That’s not what I “think”. It’s what they have proven by failing to win when it matters most.

Whatever you think Treliving is or isn't allowed to do also has nothing to do with Dubas.

I didn't mention your fallen idol's name.

Based on the undisputed reports that Shanahan called the core players to let them know they won’t be traded before he hired Treliving, I think it’s a pretty reasonable guess that he wasn’t allowed to trade them. Though, even if he was allowed to trade a core piece, their contract statuses made it nearly impossible anyway.