Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Shooter2x]

Okay, but what were people saying last year when we could only carry 20 at times under Dubas? I’ll bet it all the same posters argued the Marlies are right there, blah, blah, blah.

To be clear, it’s a bust move, it just isn’t the crippling signing elevated here. It’s a minor irritant.

There's an even stupider move from Dubas to counter anything stupid Treliving did so far. Facts.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Why? How?

I’m assuming people here have watched NHL hockey before.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I’m assuming people here have watched NHL hockey before.

Me too. I know I have.

 

[cyris]

i guess you don't know my posting history . shoot Dekes a pm and he'll tell you

I have to agree that going through your post history to quote years old posts is pretty weak.
First people are allowed to change their minds. It would be worse not to change your mind when presented new information.
Second even if you loved a move that turned out bad so what? I expect a GM paid millions of dollars with the scouting and analytical information MLSE can pay for to be smarter than the average HF poster.

I’m not sure what he thinks he was proving doing that

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Dubas handling of 4th lines was downright criminal so I don't understand why people can't let Reaves go already.

Logically, Dubas fans should have the most patience with Treliving because they have been proven to be the most forgiving. His slate only just begun.

This observation doesn't exist anymore, so extreme bias is the only conclusion.

 

[HellasLEAF]

Beniot and Lagesson solid pickups barely talked about at the time and have been huge stepping in.

 

[DarkKnight]

Beniot and Lagesson solid pickups barely talked about at the time and have been huge stepping in.

Definitely, two checks in the win column for the GM. Smart pickups for nothing.

 

[Tairy Greene]

I was almost certain BT was going to trade for Zadorov and at that price we could have easily matched it, maybe he has someone else in mind?

 

[ACC1224]

I was almost certain BT was going to trade for Zadorov and at that price we could have easily matched it, maybe he has someone else in mind?

Think that’s obvious. Any cap coming in has to go to a top 4 guy.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

I was almost certain BT was going to trade for Zadorov and at that price we could have easily matched it, maybe he has someone else in mind?

Tanev perhaps? Prefer him to Zadorov tbh. Need a RHD and I think he would compliment Rielly well. Though the Flames look like they're getting back into the playoff hunt so who knows if they're going to keep selling or hold onto some of these guys.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Trev deserves flak for Klingberg but he's done well with the depth in bringing in Lagesson and Benoit as depth d-men. They've been positive contributors overall.

 

[Tairy Greene]

Tanev perhaps? Prefer him to Zadorov tbh. Need a RHD and I think he would compliment Rielly well. Though the Flames look like they're getting back into the playoff hunt so who knows if they're going to keep selling or hold onto some of these guys.

I'd prefer Tanev also but if he's not an option I think Zadorov at that price would be an improvement over what we have.

 

[IPS]

Beniot and Lagesson solid pickups barely talked about at the time and have been huge stepping in.

They fill Justin Holl's role at a fraction of the cost.

Holl is bordering on being the #7 for Detroit.

 

[hullsy47]

Pizza man needs to stop eating the pizza and make a move

What a dream job .u play around in the NHL front office wjike u wait to inherit close to a billion dollars

 

[Dekes For Days]

1- last deadline cost asset and created kind of chaos in leafs roster

It did not create chaos, and last year's trade deadline has nothing to do with the decisions Treliving made for this year.

Bertuzzi >>>> Bunting
domi>>> kerfoot

I mean, that's just flat out not true. Not sure where you got that idea. It's very questionable whether they're even equal, for 4m more.

3-they choose to dont stick with a contract leafs will regret in 1 season for a 3rd pair dman overpay in long term contract. like i said earlier, leafs needed a #2 d who can play as much defensive side pk and in the offensive side to help the transition and bring offensive from D but those kind of D was not available.

There were plenty of available options other than acquiring a #2 defenseman or overpaying long term for a 3rd pair defenseman, that would have helped much more than what Treliving did.

get a d who raise offensive from D still a major need even more than a defensive D. and offensive from d doesn't only come with shot from blue line, most of those coming in transition or during position switch with a foward in offensive zone

We need a defensive defenseman much more than an offensive defenseman right now. Klingberg was not only a horrible choice as a player, but also a horrible choice for the spot that needed filling. This offense from defense stat is wildly exaggerated as an issue, is largely a result of system style that doesn't prevent us from having an overall good offense, and if we wanted to address it, more reconfiguring needed to be done with the defense, and we needed to not simultaneously downgrade the defensive and PK ability of our forward group.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Pizza Boy couldn't beat a 5th and 2026 3rd to a division rival for Zadorov?

Cap mismanagement strikes again!

 

[verdi]

The only acquisition I liked was Neckguard - he's fit in perfectly on that second/third line.
Everything else including Reeves, Klingberg, Domi have been trash.

 

[thusk]

It did not create chaos, and last year's trade deadline has nothing to do with the decisions Treliving made for this year.

I mean, that's just flat out not true. Not sure where you got that idea. It's very questionable whether they're even equal, for 4m more.

There were plenty of available options other than acquiring a #2 defenseman or overpaying long term for a 3rd pair defenseman, that would have helped much more than what Treliving did.

We need a defensive defenseman much more than an offensive defenseman right now. Klingberg was not only a horrible choice as a player, but also a horrible choice for the spot that needed filling. This offense from defense stat is wildly exaggerated as an issue, is largely a result of system style that doesn't prevent us from having an overall good offense, and if we wanted to address it, more reconfiguring needed to be done with the defense, and we needed to not simultaneously downgrade the defensive and PK ability of our forward group.

1bertuzzi 5,5M... bunting 4,5M
domi 3 M>>>> kerfoot 3,5.M

where are your 4M?!?!?! i count 500K

2-no that doesnt had any option who can help more leafs MEDIUM/LONG TERM than having an #2 D to be closer to win a cup

3-not every player want to sign 1 year deal and let leafs keep money available next summer to bring in that #2 D

4- the fact leafs D was unable to make any kind of quick transition last season vs florida/tampa and resulting of leafs sticking in their own zone or need to get a nylander/ marner back low in their own territory to carry the puck until florida/tampa zone is a result of leafs system and not resulting of a huge weakness in this D group when they had the puck on their stick ( excluding rielly because when rielly was on the ice, it was the only moment leafs did something offensively). They had been outplayed in both series because they was just defending and unable to move the puck out of his own zone. Sometime the best defensive, is just to keep the puck away of your own zone

 

[Dekes For Days]

I have to agree that going through your post history to quote years old posts is pretty weak.
First people are allowed to change their minds. It would be worse not to change your mind when presented new information.

It is good to update your positions on things with new information. That shows growth and learning.
However... It is not good to repeatedly bash a player who is not trash as trash.
It is not good to repeatedly bash a GM, just because they made a basic league minimum depth signing and dared to give him a few games after a good camp.
It is not good to repeatedly bash posters who understood, supported, or realized the relative unimportance of that decision.
It is not good to continue bashing a previous GM who isn't even here anymore, because they did what you wanted, but you've completely 180ed on everything after they did it.

It's one thing if somebody is just acknowledging the new information and is updating their viewpoint on Amadio, but this was just finding a new way to criticize Dubas by arguing against a position that they themselves adamantly held not that long ago. I'm not sure why they'd find it so "unbelievable" that something they repeatedly advocated for happened. This wasn't growth. This was finding a convenient new perspective to do the same thing.

 

[Hellcat]

I think you can tell the type of coach Tre will go for when the inevitable happens. Keefe's dismissal.

Calgary bench bosses hired under Tre:

1. Bob Hartley – was already in Calgary, worked with Treliving for two years. Won a round in the first year, missed the playoffs in the second. That's when Treliving let him go.
2. Glen Gulutzan – Treliving's first true coaching hire lasted two seasons as well where the Flames lost in the first round and missed the playoffs.
3. Bill Peters – One and a half years from 2019 to 2020. You know why he left.
4. Geoff Ward and Ryan Huska – Finished out the 2020-21 season and started the 2021-22 with Ward named the head coach.
5. Darryl Sutter – hired after Ward was fired midseason. Coached three years in Calgary and was fired by the new management following Treliving's departure. The Flames made the playoffs once and won one round in his tenure.

It appears he likes the hard ass detail orientated type Coaches.

if you sort by most wins, coached in the last 4 years in the NHL, won a championship... pickings are pretty slim. Some are already employed, some are on a time out, some are not avail for obvious reasons.

Rk	Coach	From	To	Yrs	GP	W ▼	L	T	OL	PTS	PTS%	G	W	L	T	W-L%	Champ
2	Joel Quenneville	1997	2022	25	1768	969	572	77	150	2165	0.612	225	121	104	0	0.538	3
3	Barry Trotz	1999	2022	23	1812	914	670	60	168	2056	0.567	162	83	79	0	0.512	1
8	Peter Laviolette	2002	2024	22	1451	768	507	25	151	1712	0.59	154	78	76	0	0.506	1
9	Darryl Sutter	1993	2023	20	1479	737	530	101	111	1686	0.57	182	94	88	0	0.516	2
11	John Tortorella	2000	2024	22	1488	715	589	37	147	1614	0.542	120	56	64	0	0.467	1
12	Mike Babcock	2003	2020	17	1301	700	418	19	164	1583	0.608	164	90	74	0	0.549	1
16	Claude Julien	2003	2021	18	1274	667	445	10	152	1496	0.587	125	68	56	0	0.544	1
31	Jon Cooper	2013	2024	12	821	490	259		72	1052	0.641	145	86	59		0.593	2
36	Mike Sullivan	2004	2024	11	775	418	253	15	89	940	0.606	89	47	42	0	0.528	2
48	Bruce Cassidy	2003	2024	10	615	358	182	9	66	791	0.643	101	54	47	0	0.535	1
52	Jared Bednar	2017	2024	8	558	306	198		54	666	0.597	70	43	27		0.614	1
58	Craig Berube	2014	2024	8	537	280	185		72	632	0.588	58	27	31		0.466	1

 

[Dekes For Days]

1bertuzzi 5,5M... bunting 4,5M
domi 3 M>>>> kerfoot 3,5.M
where are your 4M?!?!?! i count 500K

Kerfoot and Bunting cost us 4.45m. Bertuzzi and Domi cost us 8.5m. It's actually a difference of 4.05m, with no real upgrade in quality.

2-no that doesnt had any option who can help more leafs MEDIUM/LONG TERM than having an #2 D to be closer to win a cup

We're not talking about helping more than acquiring a #2D. We're talking about helping more than what Treliving did.
There were many available options and pathways that would have been better than what Treliving did.

3-not every player want to sign 1 year deal and let leafs keep money available next summer to bring in that #2 D

I'm not sure why you think there were zero options last offseason, but there will be an abundance of options next offseason.
We had more options for short-term deals than just Klingberg last offseason, and we would have had further cap space opening up next year anyway.
You can't sabotage the competitive present hoping for future options that may never come.

4- the fact leafs D was unable to make any kind of quick transition last season vs florida/tampa and resulting of leafs sticking in their own zone

We did not struggle with transition through the whole playoffs, and you don't need a Klingberg for effective transitions.
We didn't even spend that much time in our own zone against Florida, and they scored a lot of goals off the rush, not sustained pressure.
In fact, a lot of the Florida series was us spending large amounts of time in the offensive zone getting stonewalled by Bobrovsky.

 

[Al14]

We need some warm bodies on D. Why the hell did Treliving not step up and beat the Canucks offer for a BIG D in Zadorov.

Zadorov wanted to be a Leaf and has also played with Marner and Domi back in junior.

Now watch Treliving overpay for another Klingberg type player.

 

[thusk]

Kerfoot and Bunting cost us 4.45m. Bertuzzi and Domi cost us 8.5m. It's actually a difference of 4.05m, with no real upgrade in quality.

We're not talking about helping more than acquiring a #2D. We're talking about helping more than what Treliving did.
There were many available options and pathways that would have been better than what Treliving did.

I'm not sure why you think there were zero options last offseason, but there will be an abundance of options next offseason.
We had more options for short-term deals than just Klingberg last offseason, and we would have had further cap space opening up next year anyway.
You can't sabotage the competitive present hoping for future options that may never come.

We did not struggle with transition through the whole playoffs, and you don't need a Klingberg for effective transitions.
We didn't even spend that much time in our own zone against Florida, and they scored a lot of goals off the rush, not sustained pressure.
In fact, a lot of the Florida series was us spending large amounts of time in the offensive zone getting stonewalled by Bobrovsky.

1- the fact bunting was underpaid last season doesn't change the fact treliving would need to give hin 4,5M to keep him for this season. sure comparing player who was on cheap contract vs a full price, thats change everything and im 100% if he would be agree to sign at same salary, leafs would give him 8 year contract pretty easily.

2- tell me what because seriously i watched every player who moved last summer conaidersting salary/ term and sorry i dont see anything that would help leafs.

3- last season best D available
orlov, klinberg, holl,schenn, soucy, graves, mayfield, gudas, mikkola, oel, dumba

next season
hanifin, forsling, pesce, skjei, montour, martinez, brodie, tNev, dillon,

2nd best D off last off-season would not even be in top 5 next season and orlov had been clearly overpaid because for me hes closer of a #3 than a #2

4- when rielly was on the ice, no leafs didn't struggle in transition but every time he was out... it was awful... and most of goal off the rush from florida, when did they come? a lot of time after a bad transition who was resulting by a giveaway. defend get the puck back, missed your transition with give away come back in defensive zone and defending well, get the puck back but missing your transition again and oops thst time florida used it against you and scored off the rush. vs get a quick transition succeful and playing like 15-20 second in offensive zone and next 15-25 sec in the offwnsive end unstead of playing 40 sec to defend and 10 second to miss your transition... transition missed, most of them happened in neutral zone, not leafs zone. if you can pass the neutral zone with the puck because your transition is too weak, yes thats will hurt you

 

[Martin Skoula]

I think you can tell the type of coach Tre will go for when the inevitable happens. Keefe's dismissal.

Calgary bench bosses hired under Tre:

1. Bob Hartley – was already in Calgary, worked with Treliving for two years. Won a round in the first year, missed the playoffs in the second. That's when Treliving let him go.
2. Glen Gulutzan – Treliving's first true coaching hire lasted two seasons as well where the Flames lost in the first round and missed the playoffs.
3. Bill Peters – One and a half years from 2019 to 2020. You know why he left.
4. Geoff Ward and Ryan Huska – Finished out the 2020-21 season and started the 2021-22 with Ward named the head coach.
5. Darryl Sutter – hired after Ward was fired midseason. Coached three years in Calgary and was fired by the new management following Treliving's departure. The Flames made the playoffs once and won one round in his tenure.

It appears he likes the hard ass detail orientated type Coaches.

if you sort by most wins, coached in the last 4 years in the NHL, won a championship... pickings are pretty slim. Some are already employed, some are on a time out, some are not avail for obvious reasons.

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[TD]Joel Quenneville[/TD]
[TD]1997[/TD]
[TD]2022[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]1768[/TD]
[TD]969[/TD]
[TD]572[/TD]
[TD]77[/TD]
[TD]150[/TD]
[TD]2165[/TD]
[TD]0.612[/TD]
[TD]225[/TD]
[TD]121[/TD]
[TD]104[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0.538[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]Barry Trotz[/TD]
[TD]1999[/TD]
[TD]2022[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]1812[/TD]
[TD]914[/TD]
[TD]670[/TD]
[TD]60[/TD]
[TD]168[/TD]
[TD]2056[/TD]
[TD]0.567[/TD]
[TD]162[/TD]
[TD]83[/TD]
[TD]79[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0.512[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Peter Laviolette[/TD]
[TD]2002[/TD]
[TD]2024[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]1451[/TD]
[TD]768[/TD]
[TD]507[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]151[/TD]
[TD]1712[/TD]
[TD]0.59[/TD]
[TD]154[/TD]
[TD]78[/TD]
[TD]76[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0.506[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]Darryl Sutter[/TD]
[TD]1993[/TD]
[TD]2023[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]1479[/TD]
[TD]737[/TD]
[TD]530[/TD]
[TD]101[/TD]
[TD]111[/TD]
[TD]1686[/TD]
[TD]0.57[/TD]
[TD]182[/TD]
[TD]94[/TD]
[TD]88[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0.516[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]John Tortorella[/TD]
[TD]2000[/TD]
[TD]2024[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]1488[/TD]
[TD]715[/TD]
[TD]589[/TD]
[TD]37[/TD]
[TD]147[/TD]
[TD]1614[/TD]
[TD]0.542[/TD]
[TD]120[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[TD]64[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0.467[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Mike Babcock[/TD]
[TD]2003[/TD]
[TD]2020[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]1301[/TD]
[TD]700[/TD]
[TD]418[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]164[/TD]
[TD]1583[/TD]
[TD]0.608[/TD]
[TD]164[/TD]
[TD]90[/TD]
[TD]74[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0.549[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]Claude Julien[/TD]
[TD]2003[/TD]
[TD]2021[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]1274[/TD]
[TD]667[/TD]
[TD]445[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]152[/TD]
[TD]1496[/TD]
[TD]0.587[/TD]
[TD]125[/TD]
[TD]68[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0.544[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]Jon Cooper[/TD]
[TD]2013[/TD]
[TD]2024[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]821[/TD]
[TD]490[/TD]
[TD]259[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]1052[/TD]
[TD]0.641[/TD]
[TD]145[/TD]
[TD]86[/TD]
[TD]59[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]0.593[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]36[/TD]
[TD]Mike Sullivan[/TD]
[TD]2004[/TD]
[TD]2024[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]775[/TD]
[TD]418[/TD]
[TD]253[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]89[/TD]
[TD]940[/TD]
[TD]0.606[/TD]
[TD]89[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0.528[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]Bruce Cassidy[/TD]
[TD]2003[/TD]
[TD]2024[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]615[/TD]
[TD]358[/TD]
[TD]182[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]66[/TD]
[TD]791[/TD]
[TD]0.643[/TD]
[TD]101[/TD]
[TD]54[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0.535[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]52[/TD]
[TD]Jared Bednar[/TD]
[TD]2017[/TD]
[TD]2024[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]558[/TD]
[TD]306[/TD]
[TD]198[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]54[/TD]
[TD]666[/TD]
[TD]0.597[/TD]
[TD]70[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]0.614[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
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[TD]58[/TD]
[TD]Craig Berube[/TD]
[TD]2014[/TD]
[TD]2024[/TD]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]537[/TD]
[TD]280[/TD]
[TD]185[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]632[/TD]
[TD]0.588[/TD]
[TD]58[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
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Should be sorting by coaches that lose round 1 or 2, miss the playoffs next year, and then get fired no?

 

[BallardEra]